185 hp???

[Junior]

Ok this aint a kill but it could turn into one. I was at a show today and I noticed 2 civics gathering a crowd. I walked over and was like wow a Civic(woohoo) they are both turbo'd and reving(LOLOLOL). So when teh people leave and go look at other EcOnObOxEs, I ask teh owner of the first one what times was he runnning, he said "well no times yet but i dyno 185 hp!" all happy and feeling important, I look over at my friend who burst out laughing, and teh guy is like "yeah I can problably hit 14.2s on slicks..LOL..he proceeds to tell me how he spent 5grand on teh turbo kit. I started laughing too by now, we go to teh other guy and ask him for any times WOW 14.9s turbo Si. Moral is these Hondas Suck they spend liek 20gs on a car and turbo kit to run what a DSM with an intake can do. WHY??????

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[ForestTalonAWD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bulldog13:
Thank you 4npower. Thank you, thank you, thank you. With all the Honda slamming on this board, you would think we have some sort of complex. I bet all of the cool Honda people think were all assholes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know what you mean. Really, though, just about *everyone* hates on Hondas except the Honda crowd themselves, it's not just us. Personally, I haven't figured out why anyone would choose a Honda to mod, but you gotta respect whatever makes someone happy. That's why we all do this, spend $$$ on turbo's, exhausts, etc., in the first place - because we enjoy it. And if someone enjoys modding an Integra or Civic, more power to them ... just don't expect me to be impressed by their 14'sec timeslips! :D


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Has anyone ever seen, that Greddy, AEM FWD Honda race?? He posts faster times than Bushur ever did in his DSM. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, you can make *anything* fast with the right amount of money, which is exactly what these tuning shops are making with the current H/A craze. Also please keep in mind that Buschur wasn't using Nitrous either.

Also, I don't know what Buschur has to do with it, being that the fastest DSM right now is Brent Rau, and NO Hondas are as fast as he is.



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[4npower]

---Also, I don't know what Buschur has to do with it, being that the fastest DSM right now is Brent Rau, and NO Hondas are as fast as he is.---

ForestTalonAWD
you do know that the fastes honda, stephan papadakis, has gone 8.93 and backed it up a run later with a 8.98(i witnessed both runs at maple grove). the fastes dsm is brent rau and he has went a best of 9.1?. so hondas are still faster...i think that's why i get so upset, dammit brent lets go. i actually think it will be sean glazer that eclipses the 8 sec barrier for a dsm first, but we will see though.

bill


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91 tsi-fwd
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[4npower]

don't forget that the dsm has a 85hp head start on the civic. give the civic that 85hp and it would beat a stock dsm by a half second. c'mon people you can't compare a civic to a dsm, even if the civic is turbo'd, it still doesn't have 210hp.
do you expect everybody in the world to own a dsm?? you ask "why do they do it"??, well why do you spend money on your dsm?? they do it for the same reason. everybody is different and everybody drives a different car, that's what makes it fun.
it's too easy to cut on hondas, move up to f-bodys or vipers...jeeez.

bill

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[bulldog13]

Thank you 4npower. Thank you, thank you, thank you. With all the Honda slamming on this board, you would think we have some sort of complex. I bet all of the cool Honda people think were all assholes. Has anyone ever seen, that Greddy, AEM FWD Honda race?? He posts faster times than Bushur ever did in his DSM. For all of the time you guys spend talking smack, there is some Honda boy out there testing and tuning. One day he is gonna blow right by you and keep on pulling.

[greenstreak]

Though Rau's eclipse is gutted it is no comparison to Papadakis' tube frame civic. Comparing unibody to unibody the dsm is faster than any honda I believe.

[ecoli]

Stephan has run 8s and Mike Simon has a CRX with a 4G63 engine :) that has run 8s also. However, they are not in the same racing class as Brent Rau, Brent's car is still a stock unibody frame. Stephans 8 sec civic is a tube framed car, so he has to run in the Outlaw class or something, while Brent runs in the Quick 8/16 class with the unibody Hondas. Buschur's old car was also in the Outlaw class, because it was converted to RWD.

[TSi92]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 4npower:
c'mon people you can't compare a civic to a dsm, even if the civic is turbo'd, it still doesn't have 210hp.

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Well, the civic doesn't weight 3300 lbs...

I think it's fair to compare a turbo civic to a turbo dsm just because of the weight factor. Actually IMO if a turbo civic can't beat a stock turbo dsm then that civic really sucks ass.



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K&N cut air can, DDP mbc @ 15 psi
14.71@96 2.5 60ft

[ecoli]

Yea, weight makes a huge difference. Those "All-Motor" Hondas only make around 220 HP or so, but they run 11s and the Skunk2 car has run high 10s. Its because they weigh only 1500lb WITH driver. Put 100HP engine on a Go-Kart and you will run some serious time. ;)

[Junior]

I really dont hate hondas,(im in a club full of them..lol) the post might have seem like that but that is not the case. I was just amused by how happy he was at having those 185hp and how he looked at all the other cars as if they weren't sh?t. That is what pissed me off. He thought his car was a 911 Turbo. So I am sorry for any toes I might have stepped on.
As for the DSM/Civic battle. On the track after it all comes down the 22b is still getting down the track faster than the 4g63.
Hay but isnt the Strion powered Mirage(SAKURA) still considered a dsm engine???
***** On the street we still rule!!!

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[FastFWD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TSi92:
Actually IMO if a turbo civic can't beat a stock turbo dsm then that civic really sucks ass.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ahhh...the story of my life...

I have 2 friends with turbo Civics that spank me silly at the races all the time.

That's okay, it's cool... I'll have my day too..


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http://www.geocities.com/sm4474/anirei.gif John Lewis
1991 Eclipse GS Turbo

[overboosted]

Hey 4npower, quit telling stories and get to work. hehe (inside joke). Anyway, go get your girlfriend's turbo civic and try to pass me in any of my 3 jalopies. yuk yuk. You're comparing apples to oranges here, just like at work. Take off 1500 lbs off Brent's car and let's watch him EMBARASS Stephanie Papadakiouliscioushomowithahonda, with a smaller motor. HA. Or... Better yet, lets put Sean's motor in his tubed Hyundai and watch him go 7's. HEHE. Go buy a Honda! :)

P.S. Quick fact----4npower previously owned 2 sloe azz honduhs, AND still wears a H pendant on his necklace. Hmmmmmm. Vermont anybody?

Hey bill, just messing with ya, call me tommorrow, we can go out and embarrass the 5.0's again.

P.S.S This message was not meant to insult and Honda or Hyandai owners. These car are perfectly fine if speed is not a major priority and reliability and economy are. Or you're just a girl.



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90 GST
old ride
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[4npower]

ok tony, your lucky i can't moderate here :D
just remember who is faster...me(with timeslips of course). and sure we can go out again and race the 5.0's but i guess it will have to be in my car cause the last time we tried it in your car(tony's car is fully built,pistons, rods, ported head, sheetmetal intake, 10" ic piping, injectors, cams, skyline size fmic, had a efi pms system, 20g, full cage,....eveything---&gt;he bought it this way)we got smoked by that gst with a 16g...remember. (now theres gonna be a long list of excuses folks). your car does look kinda cool sitting there in the garage, i guess the only time it has seen daylight is when it's getting towed to extreme with your credit card taped to the windshield :D oh yeah there was that time you went 12.9 at maple grove (second list of excuses please).
maybe one day you will own a fast car that you built yourself but i think your head has to shrink a bit first.

ok enough clownin i'll call you tomarrow, might start my clutch but i dunno yet.

bill


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[Van]

EMBARASS Stephanie Papadakiouliscioushomowithahonda,


Lol, oowee that is good!

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[This message has been edited by Van (edited September 23, 2000).]

[gsxalex]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>On the track after it all comes down the 22b is still getting down the track faster than the 4g63.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Mike Simon has a CRX with a 4G63 engine that has run 8s also. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Anyone know mikes time so we can settle this whole faster engine thing??? Also, does anyone know if the CRX is still uni-body :)(this could be icing on the cake!)

[Junior]

Anyone know mikes time so we can settle this whole faster engine thing??? Also, does anyone know if the CRX is still uni-body (this could be icing on the cake!)


Good Question, on the fastest dsms page he is at 9.4...

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[Redsand187]

It's just not civics all honda suck, Honda may have cars running 8's but have you heard who has the fastest import in the world? I beleive it not a HONDA, ACURA, mazda or toyota But a Mitsubishi. Does the 7 second Team Sakura ring a bell? In december 99 It was running a 7.64. I know they have made faster passes just I can't prove it because that is the last Issue of TURBO I have been looking through page 161 if you want to see it for yourself. Where Turbonetics states the WORLDS FASTEST JAPANESE IMPORT running a 7.64 @173 which I know the last time I look they where at 7.47 or so. Witch is faster then AEM's FWD HONDA anyday. So if you want to talk about all out race cars like that I did. And I showed you the fastest Mistubishi it may not be a DSM but it was a car designed by the same people. I belive it is a conquest or starion or something like that.

[Junior]

But isnt the Starion engine considered a DSM motor, not a dsm like a e/t/l just teh motor its self. look at my SIgnature, those are dsms and a pic of the starion is there too. It was made by chrysler and Mitsu

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[4G63Rydah]

Junior is right. The Starion is a DSM also. All cars that have a Mitsu and Chrysler counterpart are DSMs. The Eclipse has the Talon and Laser. The 3000GT has the Stealth. The Mirage had the Colt (a long time ago). And the Starion has the Conquest. These are all DSMs.

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[TSi92]

http://go.to/puertorico go check it out
Sakura has a 2.6 starquest engine but I heard that it actually displaces 2.3 because of the mods.

About the papadakis vs DSM. The only fair comparison between papadakis vs a DSM is with a tube framed FWD DSM. That way it's more even FWD tube frame vs FWD tube frame. Until then, Brent is the man to hope for!

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K&N cut air can, DDP mbc @ 15 psi
14.71@96 2.5 60ft

[overboosted]

ok bill, now i really think your cool.
I was gonna drop this but i think I need to defend myself against your false, visciuos attacks. (And you're a moderator?) The GST did not smoke me, we raced for a whole 4 seconds which I used up mostly spooling up and venting all my boost out of my cracked IC. Yes I ran a 12.9, my first time out in the car, oh yeah i broke the center diff on that run too. Uh, oh yeah, You're faster than me. HEHE. Good one. And for about a month I was faster than Sean Glazer's 800 HP Galant...acording to you're way of thinking. My car will be running this weekend so maybe we can settle this little argument finnally. I'm looking forward to making your car look like a Civic. And no I don't have a big head, just towards YOU. The most arrogant, obnoxious person i ever met.

See ya tommorrow. ;)

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[4npower]

hehe, i told you that there would be a list of excuses. i guess if i was in your position..paid $15k for the car,dumped another what $4-$5k in it, everything you need to run 9's, has spent more time at extreme motorsports then in your garage because of broken parts, up to this point has been a big let down, i'd be a little upset too :mad: you see i never said the car didn't have potential to go fast, i just don't think you do. (kinda like you running a best of 13.?? in your 400rwhp supra :o ) you don't think i wanna see that thing run 10's???? man i feel for ya, you've got everything you need to go 9's and well....
this weekend huh?? kewl. where you gonna go to race?? lemme know and i'll be there, also i'll be the first one to let everybody know how you did, so don't make me imbarress you again :D

datniggabg

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[overboosted]

OK,OK Bill, you're the ultimate DSM driver.
So in you're twisted mind, you throw out all circumstances and just tell everyone the final outcome. Yes i admit it, I ran a 13.6 in the supra, with a 2.8 60 ft, I'd like you to do better your first run ever. So what about the night after we finished putting on your S20G. I think I walked all over ya in my 14B havin FWD. Yay, yay I'm faster than you. And what about when we were coming back from jersey and i was pullin on ya in my bone stock 2G. Never mind the fact that i was spoolin a few seconds before you, you lost to a stock 2G. HA! Use your head before you open your big mouth.
Soon this whole saga will end.

[ralliart]

mike simons crx is a full tube frame. full blown turbo you can fit your head in to nitrous 8.95 second fast dsm 2.0 4g63.
if any one wants pics of it e amil me and i will get you some(i know him)

[AWDkitkat]

did you guys see that polaris quadrunner runnig 5.83!!! holy $hit those guys have balls!!!

[92awd4u]

I guess it's all what you like. My frined Tim from Pocatello this weekend brought his 92 Honda Civic Cx (H22a Prelude Motor) up to Firebird in Boise and his first run ever in the car ran 13.8 all motor without slicks. He's spent only 4k including the car so far. (1500 for car plus 2500 for the swap). Then he ran 13.6 on borrowed slicks and will run 12's on the bottle if he doesnt shift 3rd to second lol. Some DSM's are ricers alot of Hondas are ricers but stereotyping them is just stupid. So is saying Stephen runs this Sean runs that. I love my DSM but I like any car as long as its tasteful and fast.





92 awd talon
Audi S4 Nogaro Blue Pearl
Br20g
Semitruck FMIC 30x11x3
660's
Walbro 255hp
etc.

[mavisky]

jesus buddy this thread is 2 years old

[92awd4u]

Sorry I was searching for people experiences with dry nitrous for spoolup and injector sizes and I found this. I didn't know it was 2 years old.

[mavisky]

Originally posted by 92awd4u
Sorry I was searching for people experiences with dry nitrous for spoolup and injector sizes and I found this. I didn't know it was 2 years old.
you ain't in trouble i'm just amazed you dug it up

[bbp]

I love my DSM but I like any car as long as its tasteful and fast.


This just about sums up my thoughts, in my town 90% of the rice is honda but i try not to be biased towards them and i can appreciate any car modified for performance.

[infury]

I don't know if anyone else said this yet but most turbo'ed honda's aren't tuned correctly.
I typically don't like civics but if you take an si and tune that bitch up with a nice turbo, they can be quick.

Most turbo'ed honda guys probably don't know how since they slap on their "t4 turbo" so they can be like brian spillner.