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[halfmazin]

i dont know if this has ever been done but ive heard its possible but i havent been able to get a straight answer yet so hopefully some1 here will be able to help me out a lil'. i have a 97 spyder gs which i know has the 4g64. now i know about the hybrid n all but didnt want to start on that cause doing that would cost more than just buying a compete jdm engine. now if i buy the 6bolt jdm engine i know that it would be like putting a 1g in a 2g this much i know. now i also know that the wireing for the ecu would need to be done. now would i need the tranny or would the tranny from the 64 work?? n the reason for this is because i would need a spare motor just in case i figured while i took time to build my 64 i could boost n have the head from the jdm engine n everything else cause i have a complete motor rite there to be picked at when the time is ready. now is there any other complications that i would run into??? or as long as i have everything will this be a straight forward swap in?? ne help would be appreciated

[Spyder4G64T]

Periods, commas, and proper sentance structure would probably get your answer quicker, since a lot of people look at the jibberish you wrote and ignore it. I'm in a particularily giving mood right now, so I guess I won't ignore it like I normally would.

Yes, the tranny will bolt up to a 4G63. There are likely many complications you will run into during the swap, but I'm not sure anyone has done it, so I'm not sure if anyone can answer fully.

[halfmazin]

Thanks for the bit of information. But was there really a need for the rest of that? But if there is anyone else with more information on this please help me out. Thanks

[GimmieBoost]

As much as I hate to say this, and how much I always hated only getting this response to swap questions...it's a hell of a lot easier to just sell your GS and get a turbo car. There I said it! Even though that's not my way of thinking and being just like everyone else. But do what you want to do. Just make sure you don't get in over your head. (learn from my mistakes) Anyways, why don't you just turbo the engine you have now?

[halfmazin]

Originally posted by hurleypunk3269
As much as I hate to say this, and how much I always hated only getting this response to swap questions...it's a hell of a lot easier to just sell your GS and get a turbo car. There I said it! Even though that's not my way of thinking and being just like everyone else. But do what you want to do. Just make sure you don't get in over your head. (learn from my mistakes) Anyways, why don't you just turbo the engine you have now?

u do know this is not a 420a n that this is a 4g64 almost the same as the 4g63

[GimmieBoost]

Yes, I sure do:D They make turbo kits for the 4g64. From what I've heard they can handle boost decently. That would be ALOT easier and cheaper then going JDM. That's just my opinion though. However, it would be pretty cool to do a 6 bolt swap. But like I said before, do what YOU want and what you can afford to do.

[halfmazin]

my thing is that i want to do the hybrid but, doing that is going to cost me more just because of rods n pistons. Ive read that doing the 6 bolt would be just like putting a 6 bolt in a 2g so i dont understand y it would be better gettin a turbo car?? Isnt that kinda like saying since 2gs are prown to c-walk go n get another one. No one really has any info on this swap or has done this swap so i might be the first. And for ppl that dont wanna invest in rod n piston n doing the whole conversion this is a cheaper way IMO.

[Spyder4G64T]

You have to ask yourself how much horsepower you want to make. If the stock 4G64 with a turbo on it can't please you, then you're going to be spending a heck of a lot of money on a 4G63 to please you.

You don't need to replace pistons & rods on the stock 4G64. I've been turbo'ed with stock rods & pistons for almost 3 years now. Heck, I'm even running the stock head and ECU (with a J&S and SAFC added).

My very meager small 16g setup running 10psi puts down 220HP/240tq to the wheels. That's quite a bit better than the stock 4G63. A few upgrades (while keeping stock internals) would probably put you up around 250HP. I'm guessing the stock internals limit would be someplace around 300hp.

So, how much do you want to spend, and how much power do you want to make?

[halfmazin]

Its not because of it not being enough power, but i know eventually im going to want more out of it. I figure if i do the rods n pistons I dont have to worry about my bottom end to much. From what i have read its the pistons that cant handle boost that well. Unless im wrong? As far as the money is concerned it will be put together little by little not 1 whole big thing. I'll probably order everything 1 by 1 n store it till im ready. The reason i was going to go with just a complete swap to the 4g63 is just so i dont have much down time and when im ready i can use all that turbo stuff on the hybrid no need really to peice it all together if you understand what i mean.

[Spyder4G64T]

Given what you've just said, I would HIGHLY recommend you just turbo your existing motor then. Once you get tired of the power level you are at, there are all kinds of options open to you. You can put on a 4G63 DOHC head & Intake manifold, or pull the whole thing and put in a built motor later. The easiest way to get started is to just start collecting and installing parts on your current motor.

By the way, the 4G64 rods are the exact same rods as the 2G 4G63T motor, so they *can* handle pleanty if needed. Yes, the pistons are probably the weakest link, but they can still handle quite a bit if all the supporting mods are installed too.

[halfmazin]

Thanks alot of the help. :) ill start collecting all the parts and order new rods n pistons hopefully soon. As far as the head is concerned, i was going to get the 1g head. I know that the cam gears are either going to need to be replaced with either the galant 4g64 dohc "95" or aftermarket gears because the timeing is a half a tooth of correct? Now can i run aftermarket cams on the stock head or no??

[GimmieBoost]

don't worry about the heads, rods, and cams yet. Just do the basics first. Complete turbo kit, exhaust, clutch, fuel system, and all the electronics...that kinda thing. Maybe then some form of LSD to keep the power on the ground. Some suspension mods wouldn't be that bad of an idea either. Just my .02 cents.
Good luck

-Jesse