A good Clutch kit for a 350HP AWD Monster

[no_names_left]

I'm upgrading the entire top end of my 98 GSX w/550's, 7 angle grind, port and polish, HSK 272's, EVO III, tubular turbo header, Venom Intake, fuel rail, 225 pump, and now i'm in need of a clutch to put the power down. Got a favorite that you might recommond?

Jeff

[NOMIEZVR4]

I dont think you'd be disappointed with the act 2600 clutch kit. Matter infact i think it would be perfect i have around the same power you do in my 99gst and i have act 2100 and i love it. But usually people with a GSX go with the 2600 well at least the people i know. :cool:

[victsiguy]

act 2600 is perfect, if you plan on going 400+ then I'd get one of their higher hp disks like the 3 puck or somthing.

[ssdeklipse]

A act2100 would be an okay upgrade. Feels near stock but since your awd I take it you will be launching your car a lot I would suggest getting the 2600. Either way go with act.

[greenstreak]

ACT 2600 with a street disk has been working great in my car for going on 4 years.

[victsiguy]

ACT 2600 with a street disk has been working great in my car for going on 4 years.

Whoa! Nice time down the 1/4 dude. How much hp are you putting to the 2600 with street disk.

P.S. as for the title of the thread I wouldnt call 350 hp a monster :P

[Maccgyver]

I haven't seen many DSMs around using the Spec clutches I just ordered a Spec V Stage 3 clutch with a 6 puck disc and there aluminum flywheel as well. The setup will hold 415ft/lbs and has alot less pedal pressure than than the 2600. I will let you guys know how it is once I get it in.

[shleppy]

check out south bend clutch's dxd clutch-sprung six puck that has less pedal pressure then a act 2100 and will hold a lot more power then 350whp.

[OddRob]

Personally for a high hp 2G I would recommend the Clutch Masters stage 4 (http://store.extrememotorsports.com/browse.cfm/4,287.html), 4-puck sprung hub. Thats what I have in my 98 GSX, Launches great and with the sprung hub its very streetable.

[gtsiawd96]

The 2600 is great. Just make sure you have both dowels in the motor to align the trans!! If not you will break the hub of the disc it won't be pretty. Believe me :o

[ProStreetOnline]

For 350whp, you can't go wrong with an ACT 2600, and a good lightweight chromoly flywheel. We had a customer recently run an 11.6@123 on a 2600, and it still grabs nicely.

[eviltalon91]

yes....most definitlely go with the ACT 2600....the pedal is kind of heavy but you can't kill it! :cool:

[Dallas J]

350 hp isnt really that much power. Unless you like to launch all the time, a CFDF is very friendly. Mine has been in the car for 50+ launches, and ~25k.

Its starting to get tired, but will still hold hard enough to spin the wheels through 1st (50 trim, cams, dsmlink studder, etc).

For 350hp on a 2g, I really think the CFDF is the way to go. Well, at least for easy drivers like me.

-Dallas J

[Justins99GSX]

Anyone Tried The Slow Boy Racing 3500 clutch??? Thats what i have and i love it.....nowhere near 350hp but it supports over 400 and is made of carbon-kevlar...very nice :cool:

[Stormbird]

I've been running a RRE X-clutch for about 6 months now. Its had mostly street mileage on it and about a dozed 5500rpm stutter launches. Its a 2500 lb PP I believe.

I really dig it. Not too grippy and pedal pressure is nice.

You'll have to call RRE about it since the DSM version isn't on the website.

Scott Gray used it for quite a while on his 1G I believe.

[gimmie11s]

im running the RRE x-clutch as well. It does grab very well and pedal pressure is acceptable, but it is a little too chattery for me. I wish i would have ran a disc that disengages a little smoother.

I agree with Dallas about the Centerfoce DF for you. I had one on my 16g powered FWD and absolutely loved it. Pedal pressure is equal to OR LESS THAN stock, yet will hold all the power the little 16g can throw at it. Very streetable unit.

-d

[shekky]

What do you guys think about an act 2900 on a 1g AWD turbo?

sorry for the hijack.

[jivemastert]

Anyone Tried The Slow Boy Racing 3500 clutch??? Thats what i have and i love it.....nowhere near 350hp but it supports over 400 and is made of carbon-kevlar...very nice :cool:

just got mine and i gotta say that it does not like to slip. it is very grabby, but not as grabby as driving a puck clutch. if it was my money the sbr3500 would be installed in my car....... oh wait, it already is and i like it

[eviltalon91]

what exactly does the RRE x-clutch consist of (puck or street disc) and what pressure plate???
How much power can it hold??

[JessGST]

I've had my ACT 2600 in my car for a year now and I love it. And the peddle pressure isn't that bad.... even though a lot of guys don't understand how a girl my size has no problem driving on it everyday :rolleyes:

My only problem was a spring popped out of the street disc. I ordered SBR's street disc to replace it. I've heard good things about it.

[Stormbird]

The X-clutch is an organic street disc. Mine isn't chattery at all like somebody else said but every car is different right?

I also ran the 2500lb CFDF before this clutch. I had about 50,000 miles on that one and really liked it too. Some guys have not had good luck with it but I sure did. Everybody seems to really like the ACT 2600 though so it might be hard to go wrong with that. How common is the spring problem still? That was a big issue last year.

Jason

[integrite07]

Hey Man you deffinately need to get a DXD clutch from southbend clutch. i live like 5 min away from there, i have a 90 awd and a 97 fwd turbo talons, they have never failed once. they've been in business for to many damn years. they hold better than any act clutch which i dont care for at all, there easy to break in and they last a long time. ive had both sprung hub and non sprung hub with 6 pucks if you have that much power i suggest the non sprung hub but its tricky at first to drive on.

[Chicago1]

ACT proven over and over at the track/street. Thats my .02

[1990EclipseGSX]

I would go with the SBR 3500. I just switched from an ACT 2600 w/ a six puck disk to the 3500, and the SBR 3500's pedal pressure is much more suited towards daily driving. ACT 2600 isn't a bad option either, just a little heavy for me in traffic.

[K_Mans_TSI]

Personally for a high hp 2G I would recommend the Clutch Masters stage 4 (http://store.extrememotorsports.com/browse.cfm/4,287.html), 4-puck sprung hub. Thats what I have in my 98 GSX, Launches great and with the sprung hub its very streetable.

it's a good thing you linked him to the 1g one as to not add confusion

[92AWDTalon]

1G, 2G, FWD, AWD it does not mater all turbo DSM clutches are the same. Now the flywheel is a different story.

[Maccgyver]

Just got my bad ass Spec V clutch and flywheel combo should be sweet, I will have it in soon gonna get the taboo clutch fork and extended slave cylinder rod.
http://www.dsmtalk.com/gallery/data/500/SpecVclutch.jpg

[MattO]

Just an FYI...

I installed an ACT2600 PP, ACT street disk, XACT flywheel, new OEM TOB, retainer clip, new fork, pivot ball, etc... Essentially everything was new 5,100 miles ago. Last Friday I was coming back from lunch and noticed that the car was real hard to shift. Blah, blah, blah, long story short, I had to trailer the car home. Last night I got the transmission off and found this. All 4 of the rubber dampeners were damaged. Both springs appeared to be intact.

Don't get me wrong...When the car was running it hooked up great and pulled hard. I think the problem stems from the hybrid hub - spring/rubber dampener. If you went with a fully sprung hub you might not have this issue. I'm not complaining about the quality of the ACT products, but it seems that more and more posts are popping up with similar issues. I had an ACT 2100 on my car prior to the 2600 and had zero issues with it.

Now I'm in the process of figuring out what to do for a new setup.

That's my $.02

MattO

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[thegreatms]

J gonna get the taboo clutch fork and extended slave cylinder rod.

I would think twice, or three times about that. Do a little searching on Taboo Speed Shop before you spend any money.

Also I have a ACT2100 and love it. Only about 3000 miles on it so far.

[Broken2g]

I have the SBR 3500 and i have no complaints. Good pedal pressure and has yet to slip.

[crazydsm]

I have a 2g fwd and i have around the same power maybe a little more but i have a act 2100 and no problems but if you have awd i say 2600 all the way!!! ;)

[K_Mans_TSI]

Just an FYI...

I installed an ACT2600 PP, ACT street disk, XACT flywheel, new OEM TOB, retainer clip, new fork, pivot ball, etc... Essentially everything was new 5,100 miles ago. Last Friday I was coming back from lunch and noticed that the car was real hard to shift. Blah, blah, blah, long story short, I had to trailer the car home. Last night I got the transmission off and found this. All 4 of the rubber dampeners were damaged. Both springs appeared to be intact.

Don't get me wrong...When the car was running it hooked up great and pulled hard. I think the problem stems from the hybrid hub - spring/rubber dampener. If you went with a fully sprung hub you might not have this issue. I'm not complaining about the quality of the ACT products, but it seems that more and more posts are popping up with similar issues. I had an ACT 2100 on my car prior to the 2600 and had zero issues with it.

Now I'm in the process of figuring out what to do for a new setup.

That's my $.02

MattO

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act has problems if flywheels are machined uneven or if your transmission isn't lined up properly or slighly bent input shafts (most of the time attributed to a lack of alignment pins) the clamping force of the plate causes the disk to actually bend unevenly (imagine taking a cd and bending it then releasing it real fast...the label flies off) same thing has been happening to the act disks.

act says there's nothing wrong and won't warranty them against "user error" i'm not convinced they are entirely innocent as there was never a problem in the past, i think they changed something.

we personally have destroyed 3 act disks and 1 centerforce disk (act plate) in a car that was missing 1 guide pin..once that problem was solved it stopped doing it

[Ticket_King]

I personally would recommend a Spec Stage 3. We have installed two in cars with tranny/clutch/flywheel setups (alignment, pins, tob's, everything :eek: ) whose condition I would have to describe as "Certainly Questionable" and they refuse to fail. After at least 10k of venerable performance in all three, I cannot complain about these clutches!

[MattO]

I have about 600 miles on a SBR 4K and Fidanza FW combo. The pedal pressure is 100 times better than the 2600 was. It's been a while since I had the stock or 2100 kits in, but I'd be willing to bet that the pedal pressure is not much more than either.

I was a bit skeptical of the 6 puck that comes with the 4K kit, but after I got it installed and broke in I love it. The hub is sprung which is nice.

I'd have no problems recommending the SBR 4K kit. I wouldn't recommend anything by ACT.

[greenstreak]

Personally, I think the pedal feel is too light in a stock car. I actually prefer the heavier pedal with an aftermarket clutch like the 2600.

[MattO]

This car is also my daily driver. The 2600 sucked in rush hour traffic. After about 45 minutes in stop and go traffic my leg was worn.

Another thing that I didn't like about the heavy 2600 was it seemed to put undue stress on the pedal assembly. Right before the disk blew up, it seemed like the bushngs on the pedal assembly were wearing out. When I get some time I'm going to check the bushings on the assembly to verify they are not worn.

I welcomed the lighter feel of the 4K kit.

[greenstreak]

My car has 4 years of DD with the 2600. I stand by my statement but I realize it is all up to personal preference. :)

[gimmie11s]

...Another thing that I didn't like about the heavy 2600 was it seemed to put undue stress on the pedal assembly. Right before the disk blew up, it seemed like the bushngs on the pedal assembly were wearing out. When I get some time I'm going to check the bushings on the assembly to verify they are not worn......


now THAT is a worthy reason in and of itself .....

you 2g boys dont have to worry about this erik..... ;)

-d

[dsmstalker]

I have ACT 2600 for the past six months. I deal with Miami traffic (daily driver)everyday and this clutch feels perfect. The only thing that I had to get the clutch pedal adjusted by a professional. (Never slipped launchs at 4500)

[mike1coolguy05]

ok the guy i bought my 1g talon awd (89,500 miles)from told me he put a act 2100
in it over a year ago well now when i shift from 2nd to 3rd it slips and same threw 4 and 5th
so im looking to get a new clutch

i have a 11lbs flywheel in the car ill get that resurfaced
all new slave, master cylinder and ss slutch line, Motul syntheitc fluid
still the stock size rod

i plan to replace the clutch fork and fulcrum ball while im at it
now heres my problem im making around 250hp but i have in my garage
fmic, evo16g ported and all that good stuff with 550cc injectors
just waiting to be put in so after all that i want a clutch that will realy hold
cause i like tearing up every v8 in my area so i do a lot of hard launches
weather a mustang pulls up next to me on my way to work or street racing on the weekends so ill really beat on a clutch

with that in mind im worried about the act 2600 with the springs and i dont wanna take a chance on wasting my money so i taken that one out
also i dont want a df centerforce so heres what im left with

sbr 3500???
SBR4000???
ebay xtd ?but the dont hold shit unless anyone has one and would like to share there expeirence
southbend DXD 6 puck?? <any one have this i wann get this but im worried
about clutch chatter??

Act 2600 with the sbr clutch disc (more money than i wanna spend)

im realy leaning towards the southbend but worried about clutch chatter
pedal effort to me doesnt matter since i drive my friends mustang and
when i get in to mine i damn near kick the clutch threw the floor
so some added pedal pressure would be a plus.
thanks guys in advance

[dsmbuilder]

i run the xtd 6 puck sprung disc's in my cars, goes real well with a sbr 3,500 pressure plate.

[Driver]

sbr3500

[Daywalker69]

ACT 2600 with a street disk has been working great in my car for going on 4 years.


This is why I love READING other peoples posts. You answered 2 of my questions in one fell swoop.
1) Which clutch?
2) How durable is it?

I hate being a noob, but hey, I'm still learning...even at MY age :P LOL

Billy

[Chicago_DSM]

Mike1cool.....I am in the exact situation as you am and I'll give my input...

I have a 80k 1g awd as well, running a full supported EvoIII setup....Every weekend I go racing which, obviously, involves some hard launches.....5k studderbox building 10psi, it deserves a nice clutch...

Right now, Im about to buy the Spec Stage III....Everyone in the dsm community swears to the act 2600, but b/c of its credability they decide to leave out all the negatives.....I personally hate those clutches, they will take hard launches but theres too many bad qualities to them....So, my research has led me to the Spec line of clutches...

The Stage 3 is a 6 puck clutch with very light pedal pressure and good holding power....I plan on running the same clutch when I finally move up to a 50trim sometime next year....

Do what you will, Im sticking to the Spec

[mike1coolguy05]

hey chicago dsm hey thanks man im still undescided on the clutch im
just worried about chatter im torn between the spec stage 3 and the southbend DXD wich is also "Using a true dual friction, 6 button, sprung disc (metallic on the flywheel side and Kevlar on the pressure plate side) we are able to provide all the hook-up power that you need with a degree of drivability not found in other "puck" style"

also i was wondering

your in chicago dsm's car club i would asume i was looking to get in
to your guys group i often take a drive in to chicago for some racing
i actualy live in Merrillville, In so i would like to meet up with you guys
some time

thanks
mike churilla

[un1x]

ACT2600, the best way to go..

[91blackbird]

little hijack. If you use a act2600 do you have to do anything else?

[mike1coolguy05]

well i made my decision

i order the slow boy racing 4000 heavy duty clutch kit
so ill write a review and take many pictures of my replacement
thanks for all your guys help

i decided to get the 4000 cause
the 3500 is only a 2100 pp and i just
fried a act 2100 liltle over a years use so i went with the 4000
witch is basicly a better designed act 2600
it has 2600 lb pp and a heavy duty street disc with a heatsink
more rivets and better fastend springs so basicly its a non
breakable act (un breakable spring wise)
will let you kno when it is done currently pulling tranny out i
cant wait to see how torn up the act is since i could only
do 20mph on the way to my autoshop

[tsweers89]

if you have the money go with a twin disk carbon clutch from excedy the are hands down the best clutch i have ever had