My SBR Nightmare

[stapl3]

About a year and half ago, I ordered a brand new 2g20g from these guys. Paid for porting and clipping, total was nearly a grand.

My setup was complete, from DSMlink to a FMIC, etc. Had everything. We tuned he hell out of the car and it was never faster than the stock t25. In fact, when I put the stock turbo back on, the car was faster.

I PM'd Cragger on DSMTuners and this is how it went.


.......Please stop selling that damn 2g20g! God that thing sucked.



Get me a pic of your 2G 20G so i can see how it assembled.

I have two friends in pittsburgh, about 45 mintues away from me running 11.7's on a 2G 20G's, but theres have TDO6H turbine wheels, so that helps them out a lot on top end with the massive turbine.

Thanks man,

I'll find it once talk is up again.

Cragger



I cannot take any pictures of it, as I don't have it anymore. After trying to get it to work for a couple months, I ended up selling it for a HUGE hit. I have a picture of the compressor housing and the hot side if you want that.

It's funny, I couldn't even get on the high flow fuel map with it. I put the t25 on in its place and the car was faster. Your "20g" at 20psi was pulling 2.6g/s at most, with no (pressure tested) leaks. That 2.6g/s was not outflowing the t25.

Searching around forums (talk especially), it seems to be a really hit or miss turbo, more miss than anything. One owner on talk said the garrett housing was simply machined for the 20g compressor wheel, and no oring was implemented. Machinging a t3 housing to put on 20g means there will be some variance with the machining tolerances and that a tight seal will not always result, especially without utilizing an oring.

I suggest for your sake to just stop selling the damn thing unless you already discovered this major flaw and fixed it. It's really embarrassing to get pulled on by a civic with just a intake cone in your clipped and ported 20g/dsmlink/fmic/ect car.

Here's the worst response ever.

If you can show me the compressor housing, i'll tell you if it's the one i like.

We know tell customers on the phone up front now that they are better off going with the mitsubishi 3" cover that i call the modified TDO6 cover and weld an elbow on. This cover is made for the 20G and works GREAT. The small cover that you had i didn't like, but as i said, two buddies of mine cleaned me up at the local drag strip one night when my car was running on 3 cylinders as they finally broke into the 11.8's for one car and 11.9's for the other.

My favorite DSM turbo is the 50 trim as it just kicks ass no matter what car you put it on.

Thanks man for your input, i listen to everything i hear!

Cragger

Why in the world did he type any of that? It has nothing to do with anything. He might as well have given me the middle finger and said 'thanks sucka!'.

I don't care if it's the one you like
I don't care about your friends setups
I don't care about a 50 trim. Why the hell is he talking about a 50 trim?

Thanks for listening to everything you hear Cragger. I'm glad your untested product failed on me and you did nothing about it.


My advise is to stay away from these guys at all costs.

[16g-95GSX]

I assume you meant 2.6g/rev, as 2.6g/s is less than I get at idle

[nefkntym]

Granted that I am not a big fan of SBR but how is that a SBR problem that you bought a turbo that wasnt suited for setup. Thats like someone getting a turbo with a t04s cover when they probably should have ordered the a turbo with a t04e or vice versa. Did you do any research at all? I dont see any shop would be at fault for that.

You made the comment"please stop selling that turbo, it sucked" or something like that. That is no defferent than the Hahn Super turbos, mainly the super 20. They weren't for everyone. Some people went fast, others were dog slow. It wasnt for everyone.

[Jehu]

And what did you expect them to do if you contact them AFTER you sold the turbo and can't provide any information on why the turbo might have been defective? Besides, 2.2g/rev IS the high flow fuel map...looks like you're over that, though 2.6g/rev is quite low for a 20g.

[stapl3]

It pushed less air than a t25. Period. I sold it and parted out my car in pure fusteration. I didn't know it was the turbo until I found this (http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117982&highlight=2g20g) thread a couple weeks after selling it.

When I bought it, all I knew was I wanted a 20g and SBR was a well known company. They had a "2g 20g" and I went for it.

nefkntym- What are you talking about? I based my entire setup around a 20g.

[95stktrbo:(]

Honestly your PM was pretty lame.

Maybe if you started with a better first line than."Please stop selling that damn 2g20g! God that thing sucked." He might have been more receptive. I know if someone just sent me that, I'd be like F.U. Why don't you back up your worthless sentence with some facts or pictures.

[greenstreak]

1. We dont know who this guy is that you were talking too. Kind he said she said.

2. You were in the high map as Jehu stated. Seems to be there may have been some user error involved in this as well.

3. There is really no factual proof that SBR did anything wrong.

[Steve93Talon]

We were running a TD05H-20g from FP, the car went 11.02 @ 126.79 best time. We recently swapped on a TD06H-20g from SBR, no other changes, no re-tuning, and the car feels absolutely faster than before - and spools just as well. No complaints here.

[thiazole]

The right thing to do would have been to remove the turbo and send it back to SBR to make sure it wasn't defective. If you only had it a couple months, I'm sure they would have taken a look at it and may have even taken it back and sent you something different (assuming you treated them respectfully). I would never sell something that I just bought for a huge loss (especially if it might be defective). If it was, at least they sold it to you unknowingly. You purposefully sold something you thought was junk to the next guy.

[stapl3]

Honestly your PM was pretty lame.

Maybe if you started with a better first line than."Please stop selling that damn 2g20g! God that thing sucked." He might have been more receptive. I know if someone just sent me that, I'd be like F.U. Why don't you back up your worthless sentence with some facts or pictures.
That was part of the PM. I cut out most of it.

[stapl3]

The right thing to do would have been to remove the turbo and send it back to SBR to make sure it wasn't defective. If you only had it a couple months, I'm sure they would have taken a look at it and may have even taken it back and sent you something different (assuming you treated them respectfully). I would never sell something that I just bought for a huge loss (especially if it might be defective). If it was, at least they sold it to you unknowingly. You purposefully sold something you thought was junk to the next guy.
Had no idea it was the turbo until I saw the thread I linked above.

[GPTourer]

I almost ordered the same turbo. It was Cragger who steered me away from it through emails to the EvoIII. He never came out and admitted anything was wrong with the 2g20G, I found out that part through threads like this on 'Tuners and 'Talk. Still, he recommended a cheaper turbo for me as the best choice, or a GT11 or 12 if I wanted to go "big." I think if my car ran faster with the T-25 I would assume it was the new turbo I'd just bought was the problem and sent it back to Slowboy after talking to them about it, rather then selling it off then complaining about it later. But that's just me. Cragger was extremely nice and patient with me and answered all my emails quickly.

[lithium]

Had no idea it was the turbo until I saw the thread I linked above.


How can you say your car was faster with the t25 on it (and had more airflow to boot), but then say "i had no idea it was the turbo." Saying "someone else had a slow car like me with 1 part that was the same, so that must be my problem" is just silly. Unless you prove the 2g20g was your problem, you shouldn't be knocking it - concluding is not proving. This board hurts my brain these days.

[stapl3]

How can you say your car was faster with the t25 on it (and had more airflow to boot), but then say "i had no idea it was the turbo." Saying "someone else had a slow car like me with 1 part that was the same, so that must be my problem" is just silly. Unless you prove the 2g20g was your problem, you shouldn't be knocking it - concluding is not proving. This board hurts my brain these days.
Took it off, sold it, put t25 on. It was suspected it was the turbo after t25 was put on, but by then dsmlink, fmic, and the turbo were gone. Our suspecions were supported when we saw that thread I linked above.

I'm not asking for anything out of SBR. This is simply a review of a poor product they sold me. Had I of sent it in, they would have put RTV on it like they did with other people in the 2g20g thread.

[bigjdog84]

My third favorite turbo is a t-88
I think the point is that most of the employees there speak out of thier asses for the most part. Its hard to speak with them on the phone when they don't know wtf they are talking about. I ran into a few problems with thier products/services (long time ago) and the suggestions and assumptions they had made were rediculous.

Getting back on topic though, there have been alot of problems reported with the 2g 20g. Its obvious that they put a product out on the shelves that wasn't ready to be put out.

[eddy90604]

dang another night mare........................

[SlowboyNRS]

dang another night mare........................

:rolleyes:

[nukefission]

No need for this one to continue either.