: Majoring in CIS.... which direction should I go?

Blitz E-Klipz
10-12-2005, 05:47 PM
After changing my major from communications, to business econ, to biochemistry.... I wasted 4 years and now I have finally set on majoring in CIS. My school advisor recommended this because it seems like there are a large variety of things I could do with a CIS degree. I'm pretty sure a lot of you are in the IT field.... what do you guys think I should focus my studies on? Some people I've talked to who has degrees in computer science said its getting harder and harder to find a job because everybody is doing it, and as technology gets more advanced they are replacing the need for humans. What do you guys think? I gave up wanting to become a pharmacist because I don't think I can do 6 more years of school... but I do plan on working for 5 years or so after I get my CIS degree, save up some money; and go back to school to get my biochem degree and head off to a pharmacy school. It just seems like everytime I have a set goal to do a certain major something comes up :confused:

10-13-2005, 02:17 AM
Lets put it this way, CIS degrees are worse than Computer Science degrees. If the people you talked to have CS degrees and is having a hard time getting a job, try CIS thats like the entry level degree in that field. You may want to go back to your previous choices. Pharmacist I heard makes really good money and you can land a job much easier than a CIS degree, but if you're really dead set on a computer degree, I would try and go for Software Engineering or Electrical Engineering, something like that. I have a lot of friends who graduated with CIS degrees and they are having a really hard time landing a job. They've been out of school for about 3 years now and still havnt found one yet. That says something about that.

10-13-2005, 08:16 AM
If its Information Systems. Well then I Majored in that. And now in graduate school trying to ultimately finish a Phd in it. The nice thing about it is that the IS field can't be outsourced to asia. Somebody needs to setup these servers and networks and someone needs to maintain them. Ashok or Wang can't do it over the phone from wherever the hell they are. Currently I work part time as a Sys/net admin for a graphic design company. The pay is very good but just not enough work, I'm doing a damn fine job of keeping everything in check, plus the company is very small.
Regardless what the IT field does they will always have Computer A and Computer B that'll need to talk to each other and access data from Server C.
If you are going to to do IS, its not entry level, its more broad major. Something I like because I never like to concentrate on just one thing. I was a Comp Sci major for the longest time, switched to buisiness then switched to automotive engineering and then switched back to Comp Sci. GAH! I couldn't make up my mind, wasted 5 years bumming around universities and community colleges. A friend of mine, absolute brilliant guy. I know I'm an asshole, i consider myself above par in terms of intelligence than most people but this guy used to put me at shame. He told me to go do IS, he died a few weeks later. I stuck with IS.
Good luck. You just have to be good at it, its true there are a lot of IS folks around there, a lot of them don't want to work. They want to be high end systems officers that get paid to play golf. Thats not going to happen. You'll have to struggle but its like any job.
Software Engineering is the most useless field there is. I'm pretty good at programming logic but damn do I hate C++ with a vengence. Plus its much cheaper to sent designs and plans to ashok and wang in india and china and they'll give you a nice program and you pay them next to nothing. Around here most of the defense companies always looking for IS majors. Northrop Gunman, Lockheed Martin etc.
Even government agencies are are always looking for IS people.

10-13-2005, 08:43 AM
is CIS
computer information systems?
at my school that is the programming track, but since CS is that in a normal university school
that would be the type of job my degree is for aswell
Computer Networking Specialist

cept you'd get a 4 yr while mine is a 2.

the market is partially there now
when I graduated it wasn't and the only reason I have a job now is that I interned here.

around here the support people are flooding the market. The jobs available here are the programmers. South of here around Chicago and Milwaukee, the support people are in short supply.

however I wouldn't recommend being a computer nerd presently. Everything is getting outsourced.

Infinity said wang and chang can't replace real people. Well my friend that worked for Anderson windows got layed off, as did all 48 members of their IT department. Everything was outsourced, even the mainframe guys.

10-13-2005, 09:57 AM
I got my MS MIS almost 3 years ago, after giving up on being a public school teacher. You'll probably do allright now, but back then it was hell to find a job. I had to settle for a job (in cobol programming) that paid a$$ for two years. It took four months of extreamly hard looking to get that job, since I had no experience.

I finally got another job about 6 months ago that also uses cobol, but now I'm also supporting Unix scripts, using Sql server, and more mainstream technologies. It pays average IT salary, good bennefits. What I found is that its hard to break into the field if you have no experience, but after you do your time and you don't screw up, you'll be alright. Just do your best to impress the right people, as in any job.

10-13-2005, 10:01 AM
what do you guys think I should focus my studies on? Some people I've talked to who has degrees in computer science said its getting harder and harder to find a job because everybody is doing it, and as technology gets more advanced they are replacing the need for humans. What do you guys think?

If I were you, if there were any classes in network security or business continuance (disaster recovery) I would take those, because they are very valuable, and I wish I would have. I disagree that its getting harder and harder to find a job. I think its actually gotten easier in the past few years.

Blitz E-Klipz
10-13-2005, 10:04 AM
My God........ I feel like pulling my hair out right now. Its just that after I met the girl I was talking about on the other relationship thread I noticed a lot of her friends were majoring in CIS (yes computer information systems), and her brother and cousin also did and they're making pretty good money. I just liked it because as infinity said its a very "broad" major.... I was surprised to learn I can even become a manager with a CIS degree. And another reason why I chose it is that I noticed a lot of people have jobs that have nothing to do with their major..... all they really require is a "college degree". I absolutely hate econ and accounting... Unlike most asians I suck so hardcore at math so any type of engineering is out of the question. My favorite subjects are biology and psychology; those two I can get A's in without even trying. I considered nursing, but to be honest I am a bit of a fuckup (hence why I'm not good at math, you do one step wrong and whole thing is wrong)..... I just got discouraged from anything medical related because if you fuck up.... somebody dies. Yes pharmacists make GREAT money... and that's why everybody and their mother is doing it; and that is why its so extremely competitive. I need to first get my biochem degree (2 years) and then get into a pharmacy (another 4 years which I probably couldn't even get into). I just can't afford staying in school for another 6 more years. Marketing is the other "easy and broad" major that I considered.... and seeing how you guys are saying companies are now outsourcing I don't think it would be a wise thing to get into CIS. From what I know it was the "hot" thing back in the late 90's, but as you guys said people are outsourcing because its cheaper over seas, and I assume in the future technology will replace people in computer related tasks. I just don't know what to do anymore.

I read somewhere that database administrators are and will be in demand.... also IS security (or anytype of security) is also in demand... true?

10-13-2005, 10:14 AM
I read somewhere that database administrators are and will be in demand.... also IS security (or anytype of security) is also in demand... true?

security people make alot of coin

i'll be doing that when I get enough experience with networks.

Blitz E-Klipz
10-13-2005, 10:22 AM
Woo hoo that gives me some hope =)

Would you guys say that networking is a "difficult" thing to do/learn? When I was around 10-11 I was really into computers, built my own; was inspired to become a graphics designer. Then I moved to a different city, made new friends that had other interests.... and didn't really get back into computers until recently; so I am more than a far step behind most others. However, just like anything car related I can pick things up really easily, and right now I'm taking an entry level CIS class so far getting almost %100 in exams/quizzes/assignments. In other words everything is coming easy to me and this is something that I enjoy. But what I'm concerned about is since I'm just starting to get into this now; whereas 3439048029309432 other people out there with the same major had an earlier start than me.... am I at a big disadvantage?

10-13-2005, 11:28 AM
Networking is generally a piece of cake. Its a little more than plugging cables into routers and computers. There is maintenance involved in networking too. Such as the place I work now. We have roughly 40 computers connected into two 24 port switches which then plugs into a gateway/firewall. Out of this 40 computers is two IBM iSeries servers, and two dell servers. Then there are 3 more servers that are running on standard 2000 server. They're virus, email and storage servers.
It might seem complex but its pretty simple, once everything is plugged in ready to go, the only problem that might arise is two static IP conflicts or a computer needs a kick in the nuts. Most of the issues arise from cable issues.
Database is really what I'll eventually get into. Oracle and such. ebay is a good example of these huge databases. Used to be Oracle I think, then IBM and now with Sun. Anyway don't fret over all the people who are already out there. What puts you above them is that you'll do a better job. They chose this degree maybe because it was easy or had nothing to do. There is a lot more involved.
Perhaps mainframe guys can get outsourced, but I have yet to personally see that happen to me or any of my IS friends. Most of my friends right after leaving school have landed jobs that pay around 50-70 a year. Which aint bad for a start. I plan to keep studying until I can't possibly study any more because I can always fall back on teaching at a university if nothing else works for me. I'd be a kick ass teacher too.
Lemme see your double D's and I'll fix these D's... bow chika wow wow!

10-13-2005, 12:17 PM
networking is not all that hard until you start having to deal with larger companies that deal with all different kinds of software, hardware and other requirement that mean more crap on the network.

infinity deals with the ideal job that i'd die for. He has control over his network.

some networks, are different. Federal and state mandated stuff REALLY sucks to deal with.

Blitz E-Klipz
10-13-2005, 06:57 PM
Lemme see your double D's and I'll fix these D's... bow chika wow wow!

Wow inifinity... you are one sick mother lol :P Thanks for the info guys, I'm glad to hear all of this because I'm sick of changing majors... and CIS is something i'm interested in and hence easy for me to pick up. Other classes I need to sit there and study my balls off and still could only manage B's at best.

10-14-2005, 12:04 AM
While their has been quite a bit of outsourcing going on over the last few years I think the IT industry in North America will end up enduring and still be a viable occupation for years to come. This is, in large part, due to companies that make insecure software. i.e Microsoft=Greek for job security. To me, window XP has always just been an abbreviation for eXPloited.

I don't know what your current computer skill set consist of but you should focus on what you think you'll excel in. The computer field is extremely vast so choose your path wisely. As long as you have a passion for what you do you will succeed. It might not be easy going but it's a good career choice IMO. Good luck with it. I graduated from College back in 96 with a Business Management degree and have been in the computer field since then. I actually kind of regret not pursuing something to do with my degree. Hopefully I'll eventually be able to apply my degree in the Computer field.

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