PC Talon's Project

[PC Talon]

I have had this heap since November of 1995, it was my second car. It has out lasted many girlfriends, got me through high school and college and traveled the east coast. Here is is 2 weeks after I got it, fresh with tint and "TALON" script in the windshield.
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/files/972893_jlvt4/Front01o.JPG

I have been toying with it for years, mostly with the suspension and cosmetic details.

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/files/877610_7721b/6FRAAJ4X6GHW4QA.JPG

Suspension/Wheel/Brake Mods:
DSS Coilovers
KYB Struts/Shocks
Suspension Techniques Rear Sway Bar
Greddy Front Strut Bar
RRE Rear Strut Bar
Koni Bumpstops
Ingalls Front Camber Kit
Prothane Suspension and Subframe Bushing
Dunlop SP Sport 8000 225/50ZR16 Tires
Kosei Laufer 6 16*7 Wheels
AWD Big Brakes
Power Slot Rotors all round
Metal Master Pads all round
RRE Stainless Steel Lines
Motul Fluid

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/files/877631_8078d/CMBU3YC9CEIAX01.JPG

Engine Mods
Injen Air Intake w/ Dryer Hose Ducting
Archer/Borla 4 into 1 header
2.5" Cat
2.5" Catback w/ DynoMax Ultraflow Muffler
JM Fabrications Catch Can
NGK Plugs and Wires
Ground Kit
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/files/972890_zhxls/DSCF0261.JPG

Interior/Exterior Mods
Dark Side Racing Carbon Fiber Hood
Blackened Headlight, 3rd Brake Light, Sidemarkers, Repeaters
TOTalon Front Lip
Sylvania Silverstar in Headlight and Pilot Foglights
No Decals
GTS Solar Wing
Window Tint
Gloss Black Valve Cover w/ Polished Letters
Momo Grand Prix Pedals
Blue Reverse Indiglow Gauges
Import Intelligence Red LED Needles
Blue LED HVAC controls and randomn interior switches
Greddy Counter Weight Shift Knob
Symborski Shifter Bushing
JNZ Short Shifter
Redline Goods Leather Shifter Boot & E-Brake Boot
Grant Steering Wheel w/ Eagle Logo
Repadded 91 GSX Black/White Houndstooth Seat
Corbeau Harness Slots in Driver Seat
Corbeau 3 point double release harness

http://www.dsmtalk.com/gallery/data/500/gaugeslit.jpg
http://www.dsmtalk.com/gallery/data/500/DSCF0364.JPG

On the way to the Shootout 2004, it had a "catastrophic" engine failure at 126,000 miles. Back to the drawing board!
So at that point I decided to get real with modding it and start throwing money away, I mean at it.:wall:

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/files/972889_qe0h0/towtruck.JPG


Now that the car is eleventy billion pieces it is in what I like to call a reloading mode.
With the help of Jackson Auto Machine, JNZ Tuning, JM Fabrications and Philadelphia DSM this Eagle will fly again. It will be a weekend toy and most likely enter road races for shits and giggles. It may not be the obvious route, but it will be an interesting one.

Custom built JNZ Tuning tranmission
90 6 bolt
Venolia Pistons: 13.5:1 Compression
Eagle Rods
Stroker Conversion
Revised Fuel System
Maybe a 75 shot
No A/C or Power Steering
Wider Wheels and Tires
TCE Front Brakes
etc...........stay tuned
:banana:

[PC Talon]

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/files/972903_wyzym/DSM%20skyline.JPG

[11secdsm]

About time you posted up this project Paul! Get it done!

[PC Talon]

About time you post up this project Paul! Get it done!

I will take it under advisement boom-boom.

[11secdsm]

Shut it bizzle. Atleast my car is running. :D

[Asmodeus]

PC, your car couldn't get cleaner...
Jeebus fiest!

Be interesting to see how that all turns out in the end.

[AWDSM719]

good deal, sounds like itll give them hondas yet another breed of dsm to chase!

[mavisky]

Paul I can't wait to here that new motor fire, how are we looking on its build so far?

[GST_CSF]

OK so you are building a High Compression NA 4g63? if so that is fucking cool. I would really like to know how things work out.

i also have an na 4g63 that i use for a daily but if one day the motor gives out i plan on doing something like this.

[PC Talon]

Thaks for the compliments guys.
The block is done.
Headwork coming soon.

[dsm-4-life]

Not trying to ruin your parade but wont it be slow?

[mavisky]

Not trying to ruin your parade but wont it be slow?

It won't be the fastest thing, but it should have a nice solid smooth power delivery which will be great for autox. If he keeps the weight down it could easily run 14's if not faster.

[gSx-LeX]

Not trying to ruin your parade but wont it be slow?

Magic 8 ball says: Ask again later

http://wass.homelinux.net/8ball/

[greenstreak]

I was lucky enough to be in the passenger's seat during the cars swan song in 04. :D

Good news is that Paul's car has made some real progress lately and should be ready for spring.
Care to follow me around Pocono June 3rd Paul? :D

[1990 Dsm Gsx]

Very Very Clean. Cant wait to hear and see how it all turns out.

[PC Talon]

Not trying to ruin your parade but wont it be slow?
YES

[PC Talon]

It won't be the fastest thing, but it should have a nice solid smooth power delivery which will be great for autox. If he keeps the weight down it could easily run 14's if not faster.

That is what we are hoping for off the bottle.

[PC Talon]

Magic 8 ball says: Ask again later

http://wass.homelinux.net/8ball/

Is there a much much later option?

[PC Talon]

I was lucky enough to be in the passenger's seat during the cars swan song in 04. :D

Good news is that Paul's car has made some real progress lately and should be ready for spring.
Care to follow me around Pocono June 3rd Paul? :D

I know you got some amusement out of it:)
I've got high hopes, I've got high hopes.

[dsm-4-life]

I'm not a fan of slow :(

[mavisky]

I'm not a fan of slow :(


.......and many of us aren't fans of people who don't know when to shut the fuck up. :banana: :freak:

[gSx-LeX]

I'm not a fan of slow :(

Then don't post here jackass.

[shadow_FIX]

I look at this car and it gives me something to look at and rip a few ideas from. ;) Looks fantastic!

How did you black out the headlights? It looks badass.

Are those eBay reverse glow gauges and cf bezel? If not where did you get 'em?

[1990 Dsm Gsx]

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/files/877631_8078d/CMBU3YC9CEIAX01.JPG


I LOVE THIS PICTURE!!!!!!!

[PC Talon]

I look at this car and it gives me something to look at and rip a few ideas from. ;) Looks fantastic!

How did you black out the headlights? It looks badass.

Are those eBay reverse glow gauges and cf bezel? If not where did you get 'em?

Thanks,
I took apart the headlights, oven technique, and painted as little as I could black inside. I still lost some of the brightness unfortunately.

I think I got the gauges from procarparts.com, and the bezel most likely from eBay.

[gSx-LeX]

and the bezel most likely from eBay.

Ricer!

I seriously might be more excited about this car than Paul is!

[PC Talon]

Ricer!

I seriously might be more excited about this car than Paul is!

Smartass,

Btw a little bit of an update, for those that care.

The block is in assembly now. I had to get another crank, unfortunately. The first 2.4 6 bolt crank I had was not good. So I sent that back, got another one and sent that to the shop. Hopefully this one is good. Should have an answer next week.

[11secdsm]

Awesome Paul! Can't wait to get a ride!!

[war00gs]

Nice car. I like the gauges.

[420aboy]

I am glad someone is actually doing a n/a build instead of all the posts in the forums of, "Its in progress" just to find out they never even started. Props to you for doing it and I plan on staying tuned in.:cool:

[lg93awdgsxer]

nice ride.where did you get the dash gauges?

[11secdsm]

nice ride.where did you get the dash gauges?

I think I got the gauges from procarparts.com


here you go...

[lg93awdgsxer]

here you go...
much appreciated!

Fixed your quote

-Lex

[JAD3D]

This makes me miss my dreams of my built 1.8 yes 1.8 =( I miss that car...

[JOEY A]

You should have cower make you a set of custom cams...its not much more and I bet you could make a lot of power NA with a setup like that

[PC Talon]

You should have cower make you a set of custom cams...its not much more and I bet you could make a lot of power NA with a setup like that

Do you mean Crower?

[11secdsm]

Do you mean Crower?

Wow...Paul comes out of the woodwork.

[GST_CSF]

any updates on the car?

[PC Talon]

any updates on the car?
Not really, but I will post in the vendor review at a later date, who NOT to buy crankshafts from. They are a sponsor over at Toonerz.

[PC Talon]

Wow...Paul comes out of the woodwork.

Ok Mr. My cell phone was in the car:rolleyes:

[Steezy303]

wow, great looking DSM

[gSx-LeX]

any updates on the car?

Ha, that's a funny one.

[11secdsm]

Ok Mr. My cell phone was in the car:rolleyes:

It was!! ...and one of these days I'll get the door cards over to you. :D

[PC Talon]

Going with a different machine shop currently.
Assembly: 90 6 bolt NA block, Eagle Crank and Rods, Venolia Pistons. If I get lucky maybe than can machine the oil squirters and knock sensor.
Cross your fingers that at least that part will be done soon.

[JOEY A]

If your going to stay NA

Then why not do a 2.3 or 2.4????????????????

[11secdsm]

If your going to stay NA

Then why not do a 2.3 or 2.4????????????????

Pretty sure he IS going stroker.

[shadow_FIX]

If your going to stay NA

Then why not do a 2.3 or 2.4????????????????

Custom built JNZ Tuning tranmission
90 6 bolt
Venolia Pistons: 13.5:1 Compression
Eagle Rods
Stroker Conversion
Revised Fuel System
Maybe a 75 shot
No A/C or Power Steering
Wider Wheels and Tires
TCE Front Brakes
etc...........stay tuned

Question answered.

On a different note, I think it'd be sweet if we could have updates more than like once a year. :rolleyes:

[11secdsm]

Considering Paul's pace on this project, once a year is a god send.

[shadow_FIX]

:( This is the project I really want to see done! His car = my car (literally).

[PC Talon]

Ok, guys, the block should be done the week.

Then moving onto the head after that. Still debating over what to use to run the car; AEM, DSMlink, Megasquirt, so many choices.

[1gawd4g63]

eprom ecu, ostrich emulator and tuner pro ftw.

[PC Talon]

Well, I am waiting for the cams to come in. I unfortunately don't have a date:(

But I have picked up some non essential items in the meantime: 1G DSMlink and Turbo ECU, HID conversion, eBay black housing headlights and blinkers, 1G perfect condition black leather steering wheel, and some black/polished 17" Talon wheels.
BIG PIC of Talon wheels:http://www.dsmtalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7882&size=big&cat=500

Hope to have more to talk about in the next few weeks if the parts come in.

[mavisky]

Now hurry up and ditch those Fuzion HRI's unless you plan to use those wheels as winter tires.

[PC Talon]

Now hurry up and ditch those Fuzion HRI's unless you plan to use those wheels as winter tires.
Hey man, they came with the wheels. Should be good enough to sit in the garage with though. This car will probably never see snow again.

[sleepin1g]

IMO 4-cylinder motors need forced induction!

BUT I would love to build an all motor talon to beat up those little honda bastards haha. Only if I had money :rolleyes:

[gSx-LeX]

An update to the thread. I'll believe it when this car is done ;)

[PC Talon]

Well the next few weekends will be a house cleaning of sorts.
Mostly interior work and engine bay tidying up.

Interior is being converted to black from dark gray. Krylon Fusion paint for the hard plastic surfaces and VHT vinyl dye for the softer surfaces. VHT makes a carpet paint/dye that I used on the carpeted panels on thelower center console with success. I will try it on the main carpet before ordering a black OEM replica. A shout to Chris @ JNZ Tuning for getting me the black/white checkerboard door cards to match my seats.

Removed an alarm/paging system installed year ago to clean up under dash wiring and have a new alarm installed over the winter. I forgot how nasty yards of old electrical tape can be 10 years later.

Swapping in power windows and door locks from my parts car. The door lock assemblies are a PITA to swap, but will be worth it. Contrary to popular belief the whole power system weighs about 2 pounds more than the manual stuff. Not worth the weight savings to lose the convenience in my opinion.
Removal of the A/C system.

Wiring harness swap to one from a turbo car.

Here is a sad pic.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2261/1849504843_3be13ceb8d.jpg?v=0

[shadow_FIX]

I'm pumped to see the final product!

[PC Talon]

A bit more progress this weekend.

Finished the power window/door lock on the drivers side.
Those little rails are a pain in the ass to fiddle with for the power door lock setup. The power window swap is cake relatively speaking.

Yanked the old ECU and wiring harness out. Since there are so many brackets to remove to get the main harness out, I figured it is a great time to bead blast crap and repaint before installing the turbo harness.
See the crap you deal with on 15 year old never garaged cars in PA. This support bracket was pretty shitty. See the progress half way done cleaning up.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2205/2046043384_afe05c9efb_b.jpg

Here is the engine about halfway through the cleanup process, no more emmissions or A/C. No harness for the time being either.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2203/2045240581_8e31215742_b.jpg

Next episode I will spend some quality time drilling out all the broken bolts from the last few weeks, stay tuned. Taking a week off in December to get this BS stuff done, to make way for the engine install.


Here is some history, probably from 96, with my buddy and his brothers TSi.
Yes that is a pager clipped on my jeans. Cell phones were out of my financial means then.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1082/1329316390_070cd7d53f_o.jpg

[PC Talon]

I'm pumped to see the final product!

Thanks, me too. It has been a long time coming.

Oh here is the other car that has been keeping me busy:

http://www.sr20forum.com/members-rides/218176-my-99-se-l-daily-driver.html

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2021/1850324680_489a2da5e3_b.jpg

[shadow_FIX]

I've been wanting to see that dyno queen haha. ;)

[JNZTuning]

Nice rusty-ass, bead-blasted, $13 hood latch suppor, ya knob.
<smooch>
:D

[PC Talon]

Figured I would throw some pics in here of the almost completed engine.

So that is what 13.5:1 Venolias looks like...I think I will be running a thick head gasket to be safe:)

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/PCTalon/Talon/DSC01540.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/PCTalon/Talon/DSC01537.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/PCTalon/Talon/DSC01539.jpg

Polished up!

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/PCTalon/Talon/DSC01563.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/PCTalon/Talon/DSC01554.jpg

New valves and springs, Supertechs.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/PCTalon/Talon/DSC01560.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/PCTalon/Talon/DSC01550.jpg

2.4 Eagle crank + Rods

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/PCTalon/Talon/DSC01541.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/PCTalon/Talon/DSC01545.jpg

BC 280's

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/PCTalon/Talon/DSC01576.jpg

Gauge solutions:

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/PCTalon/Talon/DSC01581.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/PCTalon/Talon/DSC01584.jpg

[greenstreak]

Getting antsy yet?

[mavisky]

Thick headgasket? Won't that just lower the compression again?

Why did you choose the 280's? I'd think the 272's would get you the flow you needed and you could use some adjustable gears to put the power range where you wanted it. Would also make it less likely to float a valve into those domed pistons.

[Turboeagletalon]

wow that takes me back n the day.

[gota0have0boost]

Paul, I gave slappy those side mirrors for you. However, he may make you earn them. So watch out.

[gSx-LeX]

All you need now is an AWD conversion!

[PC Talon]

Thick headgasket? Won't that just lower the compression again?

Why did you choose the 280's? I'd think the 272's would get you the flow you needed and you could use some adjustable gears to put the power range where you wanted it. Would also make it less likely to float a valve into those domed pistons.

Hey Kyle, I figure I would err on the side of caution with the head gasket.

I also wanted to go rather aggressive with the cam profile. Worst case is I can swap them for 272's down the road. I will have adjustable gears on there as well.

[PC Talon]

wow that takes me back n the day.

Sorry, not sure what you meant.

[PC Talon]

Paul, I gave slappy those side mirrors for you. However, he may make you earn them. So watch out.

Thanks Justin.

[PC Talon]

All you need now is an AWD conversion!

Nah, I will probably just get a Legacy GT in a few years.

[mavisky]

So when you starting this thing up?

[PC Talon]

So when you starting this thing up?

Spring-ish......

[coltsleeper4g63]

looks good i sent you a pm too

Jeff

[greenstreak]

Motor is finished as of today. Assembled, timed, and ready to roll.

[Spoolin69]

I can't wait to see some pics of it!!! maybe PC would let you post a couple.....Ah we should just wait for him to take the pics of his motor. I'm excited for him =)

[mavisky]

Should be a beast. Can't wait to hear her run.

[punisher]

Motor is finished as of today. Assembled, timed, and ready to roll.

Badass!!! Fire that badboy up. This is actually the first n/t build that looks like it will be successful, very successful too. I'm excited to hear the results.

Hottest n/t ever!!

PC Talon, you are one badass mofo! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[PC Talon]

Thanks for the compliments guys.
Here is my V-day gift to myself:
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/PCTalon/Talon/PIC-0033.jpg

Sorry for the quality, I took it with my Blackjack. Time to go out to dinner now.

[NoogaboX]

Hi why is it call " pc talon" Do you have a Personal computer in it? I did one in my talon

http://bp2.blogger.com/_kAI4GIVzvMs/Rj_uzCOdxyI/AAAAAAAAAAM/cJHfqS_KM3w/s320/060606_19421.jpg

This is the end result, It turned ut pretty cool and had TONS of wow factor. I am thinking of doinf somthing like this agian with different electronics, maybe a Xbox 360 inside.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_kAI4GIVzvMs/Rj_1cyOdx0I/AAAAAAAAAAc/RUa6P0xlFMM/s1600/fitting%2Btop%2Bplexiglass.JPG

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/462/719168361669372/259/z/677211/gse_multipart35008.jpg

http://bp2.blogger.com/_kAI4GIVzvMs/Rj_zgCOdxzI/AAAAAAAAAAU/rAFADd88Vgc/s320/pc+in+dash+before+plexieglass.JPG

This build is found here, xboxtalon.blogspot.com
The Upgrade from the original setup is in progress upgradecar.blogspot.com

[gSx-LeX]

It's his initials.

[slowtexan]

Cant wait to see what it runs like, Your setup is exactly what i would love to build, maybe a slight bit lower in the compression though. Mostly so its a bit more driveable daily.

-Nick

[dirtyjerzey]

Haha you can't put an actual PC
in the Talon, it's all about weight
reduction man haha.

[lasthope05]

Is this up and running yet? Ive been waiting on the results of this car. First ever fully built NA 4g63.

[PC Talon]

Is this up and running yet? Ive been waiting on the results of this car. First ever fully built NA 4g63.

Putting the engine in next week.
Will post accordingly.
Not the first built NT 4G63, there are others out there, just not many of them.

[neoviper]

Hey big props to you! I've always been intersted in seeing a N/T 4g done. You've waiting a long time too can't wait to see some numbers!

[11secdsm]

Enough chatter Paul...get that motor in your car already! :)

[GST_CSF]

Sorry to bring this back.. But any updates on this?

[PC Talon]

Sorry to bring this back.. But any updates on this?
Yup, ran into a few snafus recently. But made some progress too.

[kronus]

Pics my friend! I'm so excited! Also, could you either PM me, or post up a how to on the manual to power conversion? I've got everything I need sitting here, I'm just completely clueless. :huh:

[91TSiGuy]

I believe there's a motor in the car now........ but no tranny installed yet. When's this gonna run, Paul? :dunno:

[16G_tsi_awd]

Holy shit this is bad ass! Any updates!?

[hawaiifiveoh]

+1, leavin' us hangin' here man...

[gSx-LeX]

Any updates!?


ROFL!

[PC Talon]

ROFL!

Funny Alex!

Sorry guys, not much to update you with. Got caught up in personal stuff, change of jobs, health problem, etc... I won't bore you with that crap.
But the project is by no means scrapped. I will post some update in the next few weeks as time permits.

[16G_tsi_awd]

God damnit! I want to see a 300HP+ DSM without a turbo!

[drifte]

This is unusual and very cool. What are the plans for tuning/dyno when its done? I'd love to see what it puts down, and really want to hear how it sounds.

[JNZTuning]

He is hopefully working on it this weekend, hint hint!

[PC Talon]

He is hopefully working on it this weekend, hint hint!

Oh, he will be!

[gSx-LeX]

I"m excited about this as well.

[swade]

Been awhile, any updates? :D

swade

[mavisky]

Longest build evar

[jo ho]

OMG....lol....Thats was the longest 7 pages ever ......And I've seen your interior, tore to hell... I saw an engine, with no t-belt..... lol...


I couldnt let my cars sit that long, bleeding.....LOL>>> C-mon dude, button her up...

Good stuff!!! Just finish it.... Dont let her die....:(

[movingman]

Truly the longest build ever. So what ecu management going with this thing? And what NA 4G63 maps are you going to use: JDM, EDM, USDM, or custom?

[PC Talon]

Yup, longest build ever cause I stopped carrying for awhile, honestly. Just had more important things going on in life to really focus and dedicate time to it. A long time ago I wondered how some guys could get half way into a project and just say hell with it and let it sit. Now I know why, I just got in a rut and the car was the least of my worries.

Got a bit re-energized not to long ago luckily. It will be running this summer, good or bad. I just need to sort a few small things out. It is 90% done, seems the last 10% is the most difficult though. Removing some weight and changing some minor things here and there. Expect it to be fired in the next few weeks. But cross your fingers for me, as it may go Kaboom on the first crank.

I am getting some help from Tom at ECMLink (great guy and company to deal with) on what I am doing with the car. Sending out the ECU which already has V2 on it to get V3 on it and do a little custom programming on it, this week actually.

[cAPSlOCK97gst]

It's running DSMLink (as far as I know).

[PC Talon]

Just got the ECU back from ECMTuning:rockon:

Will post some pics up later in the week.

[4g64fiero]

Any chance of this being 250 whp off the bottle? That would be nice.

[PC Talon]

Any chance of this being 250 whp off the bottle? That would be nice.

I was shooting for 200HP, without it, but will probably throw some spray on it down the road just to see what happens.

[4g64fiero]

Whats it supposed to weigh? I understand if thats a secret. If you could get it down to 1400 lbs this car will be faster than 90% of the turbo DSMs.

[mavisky]

Whats it supposed to weigh? I understand if thats a secret. If you could get it down to 1400 lbs this car will be faster than 90% of the turbo DSMs.

1400lbs is almost impossibly light in one of our cars. If he can get it down to 2200lbs while still retaining some streetability it will be impressive. 1400lbs is gutted and tubeframed CRX territory.

[4g64fiero]

1400lbs is gutted and tubeframed CRX territory.
Yeah I know. Thats why I thought it would be awesome. Thats a BIG project right there.

[mavisky]

Yeah I know. Thats why I thought it would be awesome. Thats a BIG project right there.

Big is an understatement. I don't think you could get below 1800lbs and really have any streetability. Getting it to 1400lbs would require the replacement of almost every Mitsubishi stamped part in the entire vehicle. It'd essentially be a tube frame hung with the lightest of light materials and even then I don't think it's actually possible given the size and weight of the major components like the iron block.

[4g64fiero]

It'd essentially be a tube frame hung with the lightest of light materials and even then I don't think it's actually possible given the size and weight of the major components like the iron block.

I didnt know how far he was going to take it....

PC,

Did you ever consider putting a 4g61 crank in a 4g64 block? I was just wondering, quite frankly, n/a setups confuse me. I would rather raise the rpms than stroke it but I really dont know which would be more effective in this case.