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: getting new turbo soon, tips?


lilsizfly
02-07-2007, 06:32 PM
here are my current mods/car

99 gst auto
thermal 3" catback
greddy BOV
autometer gauges
apexi downpipe cat eliminator *on the way in the mail*

should i get a big 16G? or 18G..some guy in my area has a 18G for sale for $350 and has 8K miles on it..if anyone has either of these turbos give me some pointers

mattgst96
02-07-2007, 07:02 PM
I think you should get a evo3 16g, if you get an 18g you would have to upgrade your engine internals . You can safely max out your 16g and have 400hp and run in the low 13's..depending on the driver.

lilsizfly
02-07-2007, 07:16 PM
whats a good price for a evoIII 16g ? any details by looking at it that distinctly detects it as the evoIII?

ZedYakuza
02-07-2007, 07:30 PM
I think you should get a evo3 16g, if you get an 18g you would have to upgrade your engine internals . You can safely max out your 16g and have 400hp and run in the low 13's..depending on the driver.

You don't have to upgrade engine internals for a 18G. And lilsizfly, that is a okay price for a used 18G. Brand new 16G's run about $500 You will need some fuel mods (pump, injectors, and a tuning device) to be able to rasie boost past stock. www.plymouthlaser.com has lots of info on the auto transmissions.

xxnak219xx
02-07-2007, 07:30 PM
EVOIII 16G is the way to go... not too pricey considering you can get away with a mostly stock setup up around 14-16lb of boost... Got mine for $550... now in the process of installing... although with most turbo upgrades I would still recommend injectors and fuel pump (at least a re-wire)... and of course a nice tune...

lilsizfly
02-07-2007, 07:33 PM
i planned on getting injectors and pump...what would be a good way of tuning, safc and datalogger or ? im wanting low 13's by the time im done hopefully high 12's when done modding

gsilguero13
02-07-2007, 08:18 PM
There is a sale right now www.forcedperformance.com for a big 16g turbo for 449$. Its good for like 380 whp

punisher
02-07-2007, 08:19 PM
There is a sale right now www.forcedperformance.com for a big 16g turbo for 449$. Its good for like 380 whp
+1

TSimage
02-07-2007, 08:41 PM
I think you should get a evo3 16g, if you get an 18g you would have to upgrade your engine internals . You can safely max out your 16g and have 400hp and run in the low 13's..depending on the driver.

Since when did 400hp only net you low 13s.. :confused: I think you meant low 12s (at worst)

lilsizfly
02-07-2007, 08:48 PM
maybe because i have a FWD automatic?

i have about $900 to start off with modding at first. keep in mind i already have 3" thermal catback, apexi downpipe, Greddy BOV. should i get a 16G turbo used for $250, an ebay intercooler kit for $220 shipped, and what else do you think i should get?

maui6651
02-07-2007, 09:21 PM
If I were you, I'd spend the extra money to get a new EvoIII from Forced Performance over a used turbo from a random person on Ebay. Even the 18g is from someone you know. You'll know for sure before you buy it that it doesn't have shaft play or has been thoroughly trashed.

lilsizfly
02-07-2007, 09:27 PM
the ones for 250 were from dsmsource.com and looked decent from the pictures...but what else should i purchase next besides the turbo?

maui6651
02-08-2007, 01:27 AM
the ones for 250 were from dsmsource.com and looked decent from the pictures...but what else should i purchase next besides the turbo?
Fuel mods. Pump, injectors, SAFC/DSMLink. Why got an FMIC if you can't deliver enough fuel to utilize it?

1gawd4g63
02-08-2007, 02:38 AM
definetly don't buy a used turbo, i have bought way too many that were bad, or went bad because someone had it apart or whatever, there is no way to tell from a picture if the turbo is good or bad. Don't get all ancy to have a bigger turbo, there are quite a few things to consider before getting the turbo. Fuel pump, rewire, injectors, fuel control (afc is nothing but a headache) get an eprom and a chip, or dsmlink. You will also need a good front mount intercooler, buy the ss autochrome 2g kit, it is real nice. I would reccomend staying away from the 16g, if you are gonna run a front mount than you will need to get the j-pipe which is kind of in the way, and is kind of expensive, i reccomend a t-28, or something from bullseye, you won't risk having thrust beagins problems either which is common with mitsubishi turbo's.

lilsizfly
02-08-2007, 07:08 AM
so if i go with bullseye im overlooking my $300 turbo limit?

mattgst96
02-08-2007, 01:54 PM
Since when did 400hp only net you low 13s.. :confused: I think you meant low 12s (at worst)

He is fwd and automatic, you say he is going to run low 12's at worse. Maybe if he was awd and stick, then he could maybe run those numbers.

foxgst
02-08-2007, 02:34 PM
At 400whp...it will be a 12 all day. it all depends on the driver though. Even with auto, and FWD, 400hp is alot of hp.. I mean, that's twice what the car has stock. You can also run an 18g with a street tune, and not have to upgrade internals. A tuned 18g can put you out 375hp, which you would not need to upgrade internals.

mattgst96
02-08-2007, 02:38 PM
At 400whp...it will be a 12 all day. it all depends on the driver though. Even with auto, and FWD, 400hp is alot of hp.. I mean, that's twice what the car has stock. You can also run an 18g with a street tune, and not have to upgrade internals. A tuned 18g can put you out 375hp, which you would not need to upgrade internals.

But what i meant was if you maxed out a 18g, you would have to upgrade the internals. It would be a smart option!:banana:

foxgst
02-08-2007, 02:50 PM
But what i meant was if you maxed out a 18g, you would have to upgrade the internals. It would be a smart option!:banana:


Well..there are a number of maxed out 18g dsmers that are running stock internals. It all depends on the tune....Don't banana man me.:D

lilsizfly
02-08-2007, 03:41 PM
okay thanks guys for the turbo input..but i think im going to go the route of getting all the supporting mods first would that be a smart choice? and which ones would you guys go for as in tuning prefrence? could i get none and just have it dyno tuned by my house?

french_hustler
02-08-2007, 04:48 PM
Yes get all supporting mods first. Since you're on budget, get a safc + logger. Get a new 16g.

lilsizfly
02-08-2007, 05:37 PM
would i need a safc+logger if i have a dyno 15 minutes from my house and they can dyno tune it?

french_hustler
02-08-2007, 08:00 PM
would i need a safc+logger if i have a dyno 15 minutes from my house and they can dyno tune it?

You'll still need something for them to tune with. Either safc or dsmlink in your case. I'd still get a logger. If you have a laptop, all you need is the cable. Program to log is free online.

lilsizfly
02-08-2007, 08:04 PM
yes i have a laptop...so i only need a cable? whats the website that i can research and read up on about the data logging...which cable do i need? link?

french_hustler
02-08-2007, 08:40 PM
^You'll have to research that one on your own. I use dsmlink and never used an other logger before. Just search around + I know they sell the cables on ebay. You could probably cop an safc here or on ebay as well for pretty cheap.

eagleone1980
02-08-2007, 08:53 PM
whats your goal in mind for this car if you don't mind me asking?:cool:

lilsizfly
02-08-2007, 08:55 PM
13 seconds flat

eagleone1980
02-08-2007, 09:02 PM
Oh ok cool...
Yeah a 16g will net you some good gains with the supporting mods...
Even a 14b will do...
But if you have your mind set on the 16 then go for it..:D
good luck...

lilsizfly
02-08-2007, 09:05 PM
i just bought me a palm IIIC for data logging :D

eagleone1980
02-08-2007, 09:17 PM
how much you pay for it?
i keep wanting to get one but i keep forgetting..

lilsizfly
02-08-2007, 09:21 PM
$45 shipped..paid $8 shipped for the hotsync cable....where is the cheapest where i can get the pocketlogger cable to connect to the car?

lilsizfly
02-09-2007, 04:45 PM
just picked me up an apexi s-afc 2 blue for $150!!! perfect condition

TSimage
02-09-2007, 10:11 PM
If that is 400FWHP and not simply 400hp then it really wont matter much since he'll be able to brake boost.

I still say 12s.

lilsizfly
02-10-2007, 02:55 PM
ok whats next on the list guys for getting supporting mods to support a bigger turbo later on this spring? i have pocket logger, safc2, apexi downpipe, thermal exhaust, greddy bov

eviltsi
02-10-2007, 03:12 PM
1) fuel
2) fmic w/piping
3) probely a clutch

lilsizfly
02-10-2007, 06:45 PM
evil tsi this post is made in the automatic section so....clutch is thrown out the window lol.

ok now onto fuel...would 650CC injectors and a 190 pump be good ?

and onto FMIC. i want to go the ebay route..can anyone point me to some decent full FMIC kits piping couplers everything..i want the whole part of my 99 bumper filled up..on some you can see the endtanks and what not but i wanna try to fill the whole thing up for the clean look

input needed thanks guys! :)

maui6651
02-11-2007, 02:32 AM
650cc injectors and a Walbro 190 should be fine for your 400hp goal, but if you ever want to go beyond that you might want to look a little bigger.

I wouldn't make a FMIC a priority, but thats just me.

I would recommend the usual A/T upgrades before going that route. Basic fuel + tuning device, 16g-ish turbo, and shift kit/cooler/fluid and you should be sitting pretty good.

lilsizfly
02-11-2007, 09:15 AM
400hp and 13 flat or high 12's is my goal. so im getting a walbro 190 next week for $50 and still need to find 650-680CC injectors. i guess next on my list is a shift kit and cooler...please more advice is helpful thanks guys!!

lilsizfly
02-11-2007, 09:18 AM
also untill i get a new turbo...whats a good high boost setting for this little t25 snail?

maui6651
02-11-2007, 02:24 PM
Where are you getting a 190 for $50? Be careful, there are Walbro forgeries (http://www.fuel-pumps.net/walbro-forgeries.html) running around now. FIC is a good bet for injectors.

Somewhere between 15-17psi is probably a good place to start with the t25. You'll need to watch logs to get the tuning right and avoid knock, and also be aware that the t25 becomes inefficient as you increase the boost.

You still haven't mentioned what you're going to do for a tuning device. Anytime you get larger injectors, you need to compensate.

And good choice with the shift kit and cooler.

gsilguero13
02-11-2007, 02:42 PM
I wouldn't go past 16 maybe not even 15, and in higher RPM's you'll feel the t25 just stop pulling...I hate that part!!!

lilsizfly
02-11-2007, 02:59 PM
as a tuning device all i have is a pocket logger and safcII...what else should i get tuning wise maui? and the walbro 190 for $50 is from a friend of mine thats upgrading to a walbro 255

maui6651
02-11-2007, 05:33 PM
Good news on the cheap Walbro. Too many people see cheap new stuff and assume it's just a good deal. Especially with some of these parts that are exact copies of the part, minus the quality. But that's getting off subject.

Logger and SAFC will be fine for your goals. DSMLink would be ideal, but you aren't shooting for anything too high. A wideband would be useful, but it wouldn't really fit into your budget goal and isn't completely necessary.

lilsizfly
02-11-2007, 05:49 PM
ok so after injectors, shift kit, end clutch....whats next???

lilsizfly
02-12-2007, 07:14 PM
another update to my "bought" list lol

28x10.5x3.5" intercooler kit :D

still need to buy

1. 650CC injectors or bigger
2. Walbro 190 fuel pump *should have this week*
3. Translab shift kit
4. IPT end clutch
5. KYB struts
6. Boost controller
7. 16G turbo or bigger

EclipseTurbo98
05-26-2007, 08:05 AM
Sorry to bring this back from the dead but I am also fwd auto and I am looking for low 13's high 12 with a hp goal between 350-400. Did you ever chose a turbo and was it an evo 3 16g ? how much power did you get. I read small improvements with that turbo like 320 hp without the tune at the most with the manual trans. Now I think of getting an 18g or something bigger becouse the engine will run cooler, I would have more traction off the line, and satisfy the hp goal without furhter turbo upgrades which may kill my auto trans at some time alot sooner( I will put an aftermarket cooler and shift kit on it) . I have seen the 20g and a hrc 20g with a bigger exhaoust housing.
What would be a good choice and what about an intercooler like an ebay or ssautochrome, do they work well ??

lilsizfly
05-27-2007, 04:12 PM
i had bought a PTE 50 Trim turbo...and i havent got it dyno'd yet still down :(

get a intercooler from newdsmman on here