1997 Eclipse GSX Pro Street Build

[e_miller81]

I am building a '97 Eclipse GSX from the ground up. I have always loved cars and my dad has always had the classic musle car. I am in the process of building a Pro Street Eclipse. There is not a single part of this car that will remain stock but I will be making the car streetable. I have bought many of the parts for this car and still have many more to acheive this vision of mine.

I am starting this thread and will continue to update it as I build this car. Please feel free ask questions.

*If this is not the right forum to post this please move it to the correct location and I will continue there.

I bought the car stock with 67,000 miles on it.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/EclipseGSX11.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/EclipseGSX27.jpg

The first thing I did when I bought the car was strip the car down to the frame. I have boxed up everything as I won't be seeing the wiring and other items for awhile. I bought a rotesery and put my car on the stand.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/Eclipseonstand002.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/EclipseFrame006.jpg


I will be sand blasting the car to remove the sound material from the inside and out side. I will follow up with a Roll Cage installed and the underneath of the car painted. I will post pictures when I get this done.

[i need a dsm]

Well, it looks like you have a long way to go..
Props for doing this and good luck with the build
Do you know what your setup is going to be yet?

[e_miller81]

Below is the items I have already bought that will be going in the car.

Deck Mitsubishi block 9.010 deck
CB 1643P Rod Bearings
MS 2039P Main Bearings
Durabond MIG3
Forged Aluminum Pistons
9310 HiPerformance pins
Rings Gas nitride top/THG second 2.8mm oil
Locks
pin fit
Main studs 207-5401
Jet clean cyl. Head
Remove and replace on rods
Custom Machined torque plate
Line hone block
Head Studs 207-4203
Aluminum Rods
Fp2 Exhaust Cams
Fp2 Intake Cams
Titanium Spring Kit
Balance shaft elim
Head Gasket .040
Grind Crank
Balance assembly
Drill rod bearings and Polydyne coat M&R
1mm over intake valves #1452P
1mm over exhaust valves #1454P
Serdi Valve Job
Porting Charge
Balance Pressure Plate
pin fit pistons/rods
Mill head .005
Gasket kit
Labor charges/ assembly/engineering
Fittings and Hoses
Light Weight Flywheel

Aluminum Radiator
Slim Line Fans
FP3052 Dual Ball Bearing Turbo
40mm Wastegate
Blow off valve
Fuel Pressure Regulator
Fuel Rail
SS fuel lines and fittings
950cc injectors
255 Fuel Pump & Rewire Kit
4" intake
Air Filter

FLTA2 Coilovers
Front Strut Brace
Rear Strut Brace
Bushings
Engine Mount Bushings
6 piston front brake
2 piston rear brake
SS brake line
Gas slotted rotors


Type Q Flared Wide body
Bomber Rear Bumper
Evo Hood
Carbon Fiber Doors
Carbon Fiber Hatch
Chrome Brackets Engine Bay
Hood Pins

Carbon Fiber Pro 2000 Seats
Short Shifter

Carbon Fiber Fuel Pressure Gauge
Carbon Fiber Boost Gauge
Carbon Fiber Water Temp Gauge
Carbon Fiber EGT Gauge
Triple Gauge Pod

[956GST]

wow! sounds awsome man. Good luck...keep us posted!

[New Member]

Wow thats bad ass that you have that frame stand. :) GL on the build..

[e_miller81]

The Frame has been sandblasted and primer, now I must spend time getting the rest of the sand out. That will take me awhile I'm guessing. I'm already running low on cash for now so I don't think I will be able to do the cage until spring.

Bought Tubular Manifold tonight also, I'm pretty excited.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/97eclipse010.jpg

[CrackerCrew]

Just to get an idea, how much hp is that going to get you about and how much do all those parts cost? Roughly of course :D

[Chicago_DSM]

Wow, insane work way to go!

Although I love what you are doing, I don't really understand what is 'Pro Street' about it?

I'm also not such a big fan of the body kit idea but hey, your car!

[Jk's97DSM]

Is it Pro Street like drag or like a all around car? Josh has a good point about the body kit. You must know that all true DSMer's do not like body kits and flashy shit except for the shiny stuff that makes you go faster.

[e_miller81]

Thanks for the support.

The car will be close to an all out race car but will have the necessary things to be driven on the street. Its a term the muscle cars use and I'm going to be doing a few things that typically will do to there cars.

The reason I went with this body kit is to have a wider tire and still have a sleek look. I won't be just bolting the kit and molding it, I have plans to customize it a little.

I'm not sure of the power I will produce, I'm hoping I will be over 500awhp and 450 torque.

[baca]

wow insane amount of work, GL with the project !!!

[TSimage]

No offense but only running a GT30 and FP2 cams isn't much of an "all out race car"

I'm actually running a bigger setup than that and even I think of myself as a small man on the todem pole. Albeit my car would be cabable of mid 10s, single diggits juiced I still think you need a bigger setup before you consider your car prostreet...

Think of it this way, you'd be racing Jake Montgomery in his Evil Eagle and he runs damn near 8s... You'll be lucky to run high 10s..

Just something to think of.

Other than that, good job. And you get another please don't as far as the body kit goes.. Race cars don't have body kits.. :(

[BISHILVR]

No offense but only running a GT30 and FP2 cams isn't much of an "all out race car"

I'm actually running a bigger setup than that and even I think of myself as a small man on the todem pole. Albeit my car would be cabable of mid 10s, single diggits juiced I still think you need a bigger setup before you consider your car prostreet...

Think of it this way, you'd be racing Jake Montgomery in his Evil Eagle and he runs damn near 8s... You'll be lucky to run high 10s..

Just something to think of.

Other than that, good job. And you get another please don't as far as the body kit goes.. Race cars don't have body kits.. :(
It just depends...SOME do, some dont. These cars and many others, come from the factory with a body kit and a wing, so dont go kicking on them since you live in a glass house as well.

[e_miller81]

When your talking drag racing you are correct. This car will not see the dragstrip all that much. I'm more into road racing and thats why the smaller turbo. If I had a larger turbo I will have more lag coming out of the corners.

This to me was the perfect combo in order to meet my goals on road corse and at the strip.

[GSXspeeddemon]

Awesome build. Take lots of pictures and keep updating with the progress.

Another perfect example why we need a BUILD SECTION!

[Boost92AWD]

Good luck on the build. Keep us updated.

[TEC]

Love what your doing. Very nice.

I too though am poo pooing your idea about a body kit. Roll the fenders and stick 17/245's under it. With the right offset it will be a perfect fit with a muscular stance.

Also, if your going to roadrace the car a stroker motor would be the hot ticket to get more low rpm torque.

Good luck on the buildup.

[e_miller81]

At some point I will be putting a stroker in but I've never tuned and I didn't want to do that with my first engine incase I blow it up. I will go to a stroker at somepoint. Its going to take me approx 3 years for the complete build.

[Chicago_DSM]

At some point I will be putting a stroker in but I've never tuned and I didn't want to do that with my first engine incase I blow it up. I will go to a stroker at somepoint. Its going to take me approx 3 years for the complete build.

???

I am confused why your lack of tuning dictates what type of displacement you will be building your motor for? Why would you be more afraid to blow up a built 2.3 stroker compared to a Built 2.0 (with very pricey parts)

Also, hate to say it, but in 3 years a lot of these parts will be outdated and old technology.

[jjohn6438]

Man I'll be glad when I'm out of college and finally making salary. Damn mechanical engineering and it's five year program!

P.S. Good job on the build! Keep us updated!

[e_miller81]

???

I am confused why your lack of tuning dictates what type of displacement you will be building your motor for? Why would you be more afraid to blow up a built 2.3 stroker compared to a Built 2.0 (with very pricey parts)

Also, hate to say it, but in 3 years a lot of these parts will be outdated and old technology.

The reason I am tuning my 2.0 that is built is I got a hell of deal on it and it will take the power I want to throw on it while I learn to tune.

I understand about parts being outdated but the minute you buy it something better can come out. I don't think you can get a much nicer manifold than I have, I can't imagine something lighter than carbon fiber doors coming out. I can't imagine the technology of intercoolers will change that much in three years. The same gauges have been around for many years. Chromoly roll cages are the best in the business and I can't imagine that changing much. I don't see my 6 piston brakes becoming out dated, well I hope you get my point.

The only thing that I could think that could be upgraded in the next few years is the standalones and I haven't bought one yet.

[pinder91]

Sad to hear about the body kit, but oh well. That's the way to "restore" a car before you mod. Start completely from scratch. Way to go!!!

[fanaticdsm-er]

Excellent work dude, i recommend with all those mods and injectors, you definitley need a dsm link!..

[16G_tsi_awd]

Aluminum rods huh. Are they Groden's? You know aluminum rods are not made to last long. They stretch but if you rebuild alot than it's OK. That is a big list of nice parts but I don't see a tuning device...?

Then again you did not say you were done buying stuff.:)

[e_miller81]

Yes they are Groden's. I will most likely be pulling those rods out before I run the car. It would not work with road racing and thats what this car will be doing along with drag racing. I am building this car for Nopi Turbo Street and SCCA X-Prepaired. I know my turbo is not big enough for the Turbo Street class.

I am about halfway done buying parts, I still have aways to go, I will be running an AEM EMS. I still have to buy Trans, EMS, o2 housing, Downpipe, Exhaust, Clutch, SMIM, Axles, Driveshaft, Strada dash along with many of little parts here and there.

[Chicago_DSM]

I still don't understand why you think you NEED Aem Ems?

If you are worried about tuning, and are in fact building a whole motor just to use while you "learn to tune", why don't you just start with Dsmlink which will save you the headaches you will get from trying to figure out EMS on your own!

Oh, and you didn't list an exhaust manifold, but if this really is an unlimited budget build, I would recommend a Shearer Fab Equal Length Manifold! Oh and while your at it, get an AMS VSR intake manifold and DV/DT Fab Intercooler!

[e_miller81]

I just received my Shearer Fab Equal Length Manifold. Ron is a great guy. I have my questions about AMS intake manifold, I'm not sure that would bring much more power than JMF's intake. I have not heard of DV/DT Intercoolers but I will look into it. I was thinking about Extreme Intercoolers. I've heard they are a great Quality.

I'm running an AEM EMS for multiple reasons. I know it will be harder to learn but I'm not stupid when it comes to tuneing I'm just not experienced. I've tuned with an AEM on my friends mr2. We are still not done and its a very slow process but I'm learning. I would of built a 2.3 first but I bought that kick ass motor right from the company for 3,000. The parts alone with no work done was 3,200. The guy lost 3,000 dollars on the transaction but needed to sell it.

[Chicago_DSM]

http://dvdtfab.com/

http://dvdtfab.com/streetkitweblarge.jpg

[e_miller81]

Do you know how I can contact Dvdtfab? There e-mail doesn't work. I didn't see a phone number on his site either.

Thanks

[1950884]

I still don't understand why you think you NEED Aem Ems?

AEM is more versatile.

[e_miller81]

Thanks for the information on that intercooler. I believe that is the intercooler I'm leaning towards. I will be making my own piping since he does not do piping anymore.

Thanks

[nrml]

I'm jealous you had a frame stand!

What made you go with a 2G?

[e_miller81]

I find the body very appealing. That is the only reason. I thought about a 1G but I just like the lines and body style of the 2g.

[ApexImprt2nR]

Wow, good luck on the build. That's some great work to start with and an awesome starting point.

Keep us posted!

[BIG_brother]

Wow, this is what you call a TRUE DSM'r and a dedicated fool with a understanding wife lol

Just playin! good luck man I admire your ambition.

[talonracer94]

awesome work keep going

[slowWdsm]

Everything I was reading sounded great until I read the part about a body kit :-(

[e_miller81]

I just spent 8 hours underneath the front and rear wheel wells today. I noticed that the sandblasting did not remove the sound barrier underneath there so I spent the day with a torch and a putty knife.

I'm taking the car in two weeks to have the roll cage installed and fuel cell done. I will also have the underneath, interior, wheel wells and roll cage painted at the same time. Once I get it back the true test will begin, seeing if I can put this car together.

Sorry that everyone is disappointed in the wide body but I think the car will look very aggressive with it.

[silvawolfe]

Thats pretty sweet! I've always wanted to see the chassis stripped down like that. Good luck your plans sound great.
BTW...doesn't Mines, Top Secret, and all the other tuners use body kits on their race cars? Whats with the DSM bodykit phobia going around? Is someone trying to prove something?

[e_miller81]

I have a question about the drivetrain. I called Road Racing Engineer's today and had a talk with them about my setup. He told me he would go with a limited slip diff. for the front and center. The rear lsd he said was not needed. The rear end I have in my car as of now is not a LSD. Do you think I should stick with that setup or should I go with a LSD rear end? I think it would help in drag racing. Would it hurt me in road racing?

Thanks

[16G_tsi_awd]

Look into variable bias center diffs and do limited slip front and rear.

[silvawolfe]

oh.. I just noticed you are from Elkhart! You should bring your car down to Fort Wayne to one of our DSM club meets when it is finished.

[e_miller81]

Sounds good, The car is going to be a classic the time I get done building this.:wall:

[m1nd64m3]

Awsome build, takes alot of dedication and money. But why ruin it with such a gross looking widebody?

http://www.yakuzaracing.com/media/Q435.jpg
The only way i can see it looking good is to get rid of that front bumper and smooth out all the vents and weird shit all over it.

[16G_tsi_awd]

:tat: :tat: His body kit!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why sacrafice your 30/10/3 FMICkit for a body kit!

[16G_tsi_awd]

Sounds good, The car is going to be a classic the time I get done building this.:wall:

It will never be done. I know my car won't.

[e_miller81]

That is the worst looking front bumper on the Eclipse and it WON'T be there on my car. I never thought about having that front bumper. I also won't be using there add on pieces for the rear bumper. The only thing I'm using is the side panels.

[iwantdsm]

^that's good to hear. When I read about the widebody, I was woried also. Sounds like an awesome build. If you can't get that intercooler your looking for, I've heard hahn racecraft's can take quite a bit. I have an hrc fmic and it looks great, has nice short rount piping.

[dwchkypmp20]

nice! cant wait to see what the out come is!

[citrus3000]

do something radical. Im thinking entire CF Body.

[e_miller81]

I had a couple of quesitons for someone, would a '96 gsx lsd rear end be the same as a '97. Also what is the prefix on the tranny if its lsd? I think its BFH but want to make sure.

What is the difference on the rear end between an auto and 5 speed?

Thanks

[JL_90AWD]

What is the difference on the rear end between an auto and 5 speed?
Different final drive ratios.

[e_miller81]

Thanks, Do you know if the '96 and '97 rear ends are the same? BFH is the limited slip correct?

[e_miller81]

I just started installing my 12 point chromoly roll cage. I have also started cutting out the tire area in order to install my fuel cell. I should have pictures up by friday.

I am looking for a 2G eclipse without a sunroof. I need to cut out the roof. I'm doing some custom work with the roof. I know that not many were made. Any suggestions where to look?

[pinder91]

Where's the pics?

[oneslow3000gt]

sound good man gl and keep us updated.

[e_miller81]

I have been busy this week. I will hopefully get some pictures up next week of the progress.

Eric

[pinder91]

Fresh pics for the new year?

[e_miller81]

I just received my suspension and crossmembers back from the painters, I will be posting pictures soon. I have not started on the roll cage because the company sent me mild steel instead of chromoly.

[e_miller81]

You can see the suspension and crossmembers. I only have one piece of suspension shown in the pictures but they are all the same color. I had them all powder coated and the crossmembers were painted and I had them powder coated.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/suspension004.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/suspension003.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/suspension001.jpg

[Ambico]

This is going to be awesome! Good color choice :). I wish I had the room and money to completely rebuild a talon. Take more pics :)

[awdeclipseguy]

Since this is ground up are you welding or riveting the frame to stiffen it up? I skimmed through and didn't see anything about seam welding, etc.

[e_miller81]

When I do the roll cage, I will be incorporating braces to stiffen the body at the same time. I will be doing this for the front and rear of the car.

[Turboeagletalon]

Why didn't you weld re-enforce all the suspension conpononents. Thats what we did with all of mine. Plus prothane bushings. My suspension is stiff as a rock. handels great. Next were dropping the car an inch and half.

[e_miller81]

I never really thought about that. I already powder coated the suspension and I was really happy with the handling that I had with my gst. I hope I don't regret not doing that. Thanks for the advice, I wish I would of done something before I spent all the money on the powder coating.

[pinder91]

The powder coating looks great!!!

[MyBoostedGST]

I saw this car on ebay when it was for sale. I was thinking about putting a bid on it as my grandparents live in Indiana and going down there to pick it up.

Everything is looking good so far. What is the expected time frame your looking at?

[e_miller81]

I saw this car on ebay when it was for sale. I was thinking about putting a bid on it as my grandparents live in Indiana and going down there to pick it up.

Everything is looking good so far. What is the expected time frame your looking at?

I picked this car up from a guy in Wisconsin. I don't know if its the same car you seen on ebay.

I am hoping I can have the car done for spring of 2010. This year I will be putting the engine and mocking everything up and installing the suspension and working on the interior. This winter I will be pulling the engine back out to finish the engine bay. In '09 I will reinstalling the engine and finish the wiring for the car and I will start to tune it a little. In the winter of '09 I will get the body completed. So I can start showing it off in 2010.

[MyBoostedGST]

I thought this car was in Indiana. Maybe it was a different one then. I looked at so many I couldn't remember all of them.

I wish I had the means to do what your doing though. Good luck.

[1gawd4g63]

I had a couple of quesitons for someone, would a '96 gsx lsd rear end be the same as a '97. Also what is the prefix on the tranny if its lsd? I think its BFH but want to make sure.

What is the difference on the rear end between an auto and 5 speed?

Thanks

Maybe you typed this wrong, but the tranny isn't a limited slip, the center diff is, but not the front diff, it is like that on all awd's.

[lg93awdgsxer]

I had a couple of quesitons for someone, would a '96 gsx lsd rear end be the same as a '97. Also what is the prefix on the tranny if its lsd? I think its BFH but want to make sure.

What is the difference on the rear end between an auto and 5 speed?

Thanks

The ratio's are different. I think if you use an auto rear in a 5-speed, you'll burn up the rear. If you reverse it, and use a 5-speed rear on an auto trans, you'll burn the trans up...

[e_miller81]

Maybe you typed this wrong, but the tranny isn't a limited slip, the center diff is, but not the front diff, it is like that on all awd's.

Yeah I typed it wrong I was talking about the rear end and for some reason I typed tranny. I will be putting a Quaife limited slip in the Trans.

[e_miller81]

I have been busy parting my other car out. I will take pictures Thursday when I work on the car next to show the progress.

I do have a question. I'm about to buy a Strada MXL dash. Do you know if I can run a "Y" connector off the AEM to the strada dash and to my Laptop. When I'm tuning will the dash cause problems with me tuning. I called Aim sports and they didn't have an answer for me.

I do know that the dash works with the aem. I am just affraid that running the dash and tuning my cause problems.

Thanks

[austintalon]

Awesome man, really coming along!

[e_miller81]

I will be posting pics of the cage later this week. Haven't had the chance to download them from my camera.

I do have a question. I have a Slowboy Racing Intercooler right now. The size is 24x10x3.5 . It supports 800hp. Do you think I should sell it and get one that is a little smaller that fits my application better. Something like the Extreme Intercoolers Race Kit. That supports 675hp.

I was told that if you run a larger intercooler than you need you will cause lag in your spool up. Is this true?

Thanks

[CanadianTSi]

The Lag may be 1-200 rpms at most, the extra cooling of the bigger core far out weighs any increase in lag.

[e_miller81]

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/rollcage014.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/rollcage020.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/rollcage019.jpg

[projecTSI]

Hot damn, that is a nice seat. How much did that run you? I just looked at one on ebay for $1800 for 1! :eek:

[e_miller81]

Those seats retail around 2,100 for one seat with out brackets. I purchased the driver and passenger seat. The carbon fiber seats are about 6lbs less than the fiberglass version and they look cool as hell.:D

[AWDbrnout]

I wish i had MONEY!!!!!!!!!! Very nice. Its cool to see a road race car in the making. Good luck and keep us posted.

[shaunp]

This is just insane. I love seeing a build in process.

[e_miller81]

I thought I would post pictures of my engine and my exhaust manifold.:)
I will be posting more pictures of my roll cage this afternoon hopefully.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/engine002.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/engine001.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/engine003.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/exhaustmanifold.jpg

[shaunp]

Looks good, keep the updates coming.

[Redtsi252]

GOOOOT DAAAAMN:eek: ......some one has some DEEP pockets....thats gonna be a BAD ASS DSM.....PLEASE DONT PUT A BODY KIT ON IT...

I think you should do a 2GB talon front bumper, 2GA talon side skirts, with a 2GB eclipse rear bumper and high rise wing....

Any updates?

[e_miller81]

We are almost done installing the roll cage. Its going to be certified up to 8.50
The car will never probably see that but the road racing required a lot of the same stuff so I went ahead and did the rest to certifie it. Notice around the headliner we curved the piping to follow the lines instead of just making it a straight pipe. The guys also cut out the back so we can start installing the fuel cell. I have to finish the cage install the fuel cell then we will start to paint the underneath then the inside.
It will be a couple of weeks before I have more pictures I'm guessing.
Thanks for the support!!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/RollCage003.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/RollCage002.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/RollCage005.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/RollCage006.jpg

[Redtsi252]

Are you guys still putting a body kit on it?

man i cant wait to see more pictures of this thing....this is my motavation

[Morpheus]

Those rear bars aren't good for much more than eye candy. You added an additional flex point rather than triangulating it and transfering load.

[e_miller81]

Those rear bars aren't good for much more than eye candy. You added an additional flex point rather than triangulating it and transfering load.

Help me out.
I guess I don't know what your talking about that rear bar is tied to both loops coming down. Then is connected to the strut tower bars. The bars coming coming down are tied to the center of the car and the strut tower braces.

If something needs to be changed please help.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/RollCage008.jpg

[Got Insulin?]

.PLEASE DONT PUT A BODY KIT ON IT...



Dude is obviously not responding to you for a reason. Leave it be.:chair:

[tarantula]

I'm interested in this build. Using the same turbo I just bought! Subscribed. Keep up the good work!

[96dsmdemon]

I've watched this since it started. Thought I would just keep quiet and watch the progress.
Looks like you've got yourself one hell of a project thats headed in the right direction.
If its not a personal problem or anything, I would like to see the price tag after this is all done. Keep up the good work.

[uberchargedDSM]

God I hate being married sometimes and I can only spend a certain amount each month on my 2G

[Morpheus]

Help me out.
I guess I don't know what your talking about that rear bar is tied to both loops coming down. Then is connected to the strut tower bars. The bars coming coming down are tied to the center of the car and the strut tower braces.

If something needs to be changed please help.


Right, I see that. However, look at the following pics. Assume you have a load transferring through the shock tower in the two directions, shown on the left. This would equate to, via translation, loads at the joints shown on the right. If you move to the next stiffest point (green dot on the right) and fix that point, look at the loads at the blue dot. You have moments (or torques) and forces acting on the end of the bent tube. Rather than transfer the load via a triangulated joint, it's now inducing bending in the tube (circled in yellow).

Like I said before, sure it looks cool. I think it looks cool, but if you are shooting for a stiff setup, you don't have it. Besides the fact, how does it apply to the NHRA rules for cages? I'd question your functional tie in to the towers. Sure it's stiffer than stock, but not as stiff as it could be.

[Morpheus]

My suggestion noted in red and yellow (or something along those lines)

[K_Mans_TSI]

I was going to mention that but you beat me to it!

I don't see plates on those strut towers either.

[n0rthendtr00per]

Just a Quick question...Whats your budget on this? any sponsors?

[shaunp]

Man, you guys know your shit. I never would have saw that with the roll cage.

[ZJTurbo]

Just a Quick question...Whats your budget on this? any sponsors?


I would go out on a limb and say a big one:)

[e_miller81]

Just a Quick question...Whats your budget on this? any sponsors?

I do not have any sponsors and I really don't plan on taking on sponsors. I don't really have a budget but I'm trying to stay under 50k. The only large thing that I won't be able to do by myself is the body.(YES, I'm still doing the body kit!!! I think everyone will be very surpised the way it will look once I'm done with it.) At this point I'm over the 30k mark. That includes a lot of money saved from Horsepower Freaks as they have given me discounts since I'm done lots of business with them. I'm keeping a list of all items Ive bought and tracking the cost of the sell price of what was advertised at that time and the cost I paid for them. I am over 40k if I would have had to just pay the sell price that they had listed on the web. Horsepower Freaks do not sponsor cars but its as close to a sponsor I will get and for that I do mention there names to people.

I have thought more about the roll cage. I will be running a strut tower brace on the car in the rear and I think that will stiffen it enough so I don't have to add another bar from one tower to the next. I understand your point about adding the other two bars for the front of the strut brace to the cage coming down and I think that would make a difference but not enough for the classes I'm running this in. The SCAA X-prepaired class I'll be some what competive in but not enough to go out and win the event. X-prepaired are full out race cars and while this is close I'm going to have full interior from the back of the front seats foward. That will be enough difference to were I won't be able to challenge for a win in that class. Also if I don't think its stiff enough that is a point I could always add those two bars at a later time. I think it would look a lot cleaner with out those bars.

The cage will pass inspection for NHRA certified for 8.50's. The guy helping with the cage certifies cages. I would have to add a funny car cage in order to go up from there. With me wanting to drive it on the street a little, that is not something I wanted to deal with. If you look at the Turbo Street class for NOPI. 8.60's would be competitive. I would have to change my turbo setup along with a few other items, though if I wanted to race in turbo street.

Thanks for the advice about the cage and I do agree that adding a few more pipes would strengthen the car but for what I'm doing with it I should be ok.

[K_Mans_TSI]

Not without plates on some of those mounts it won't pass NHRA.

XP is the new hottness I must admit. sux weld in cages aren't allowed in SM.

[e_miller81]

Every spot that is welded to the body has the correct plate welded to it. Look at the pictures very close. Look at every point that the cage comes in contact with the body there is a plate. The only one that you can't see the plate on is the strut tower brace but there is one there. I will show you the certification sticker when I pay the fee to have it done.

Once again the guy helping me with the cage certifies cages for NHRA. He did the welding because I can't do that great on welds. You won't find a much nicer weld then whats on my car.:)

[e_miller81]

I need suggestions from people!

I started looking at the Intake ports on my engine and noticed that they are not ported as much as I thought. They are ported though some. I compared it to a 1G Head that has been ported and there is a big difference. I was going to use a 1G Magnus Intake but its not even close.

Do I pull the head and have it ported to match the 1G Magnus intake or should I buy a 2G Magnus or JMF and match it to my current head? How much will this effect me horsepower wise?

Thanks for the input.

[shaunp]

Why not use a 1g head?

[e_miller81]

My engine is already built and have the best parts in the head. It would cost a lot more to do that.

[projecTSI]

Definitely go with a 2g manifold. Don't forget, bigger ports isn't always better.

[AMS Eric #2]

e miller81,
I'm not cage expert but based on the one in our car (certified to 8.50), everything looks like it may pass except you need a bar going across the top of the windshield and I believe a horizontal bar above you. The only other possible issue is amount of plate around where the bar goes into it.

Honestly don't assume anything, or take advice from people on here that aren't very knowledgable on certifications, including myself! Get yourself an NHRA rulebook, and follow the guidelines for an 8.50 cage. They aren't terribly complicated. 25.5 and up is a different story, you can know what your doing and still screw up and fail certification.

Good job on everything so far and good luck in the future!

Regards,
Eric Jones

[AMS Eric #2]

Yes, keep your small port 2g head. We can even build a bad ass VSR specifily for that port size that will rock your socks off.

[e_miller81]

e miller81,
I'm not cage expert but based on the one in our car (certified to 8.50), everything looks like it may pass except you need a bar going across the top of the windshield and I believe a horizontal bar above you. The only other possible issue is amount of plate around where the bar goes into it.

Honestly don't assume anything, or take advice from people on here that aren't very knowledgable on certifications, including myself! Get yourself an NHRA rulebook, and follow the guidelines for an 8.50 cage. They aren't terribly complicated. 25.5 and up is a different story, you can know what your doing and still screw up and fail certification.

Good job on everything so far and good luck in the future!

Regards,
Eric Jones

Thanks for the advice, I haven't finished the cage and you are correct that you do need one across the windshield for it to be certified to 8.50's.

I will talk to you about your intake very soon.

Thanks for the advice!

[Boznogel247]

Hey man I live in brownsburg, about 20 minutes outside indy. I would LOVE to see this thing in action when its showtime haha. Looks good so far, keep it up.

[motorboat]

Hey Im about 30 minutes from you. I cant believe that this kind of project is taking place in Elkhart, weird. But I definately think you need to step up the cams and turbo setup. You are going all out on everything else to run a 30r and fp2 cams? I have a 35r and crower 280s and will be daily driving my car. I think if I had the funds that you had, and did everything all out from scratch, I would go even bigger.

[e_miller81]

Hey Im about 30 minutes from you. I cant believe that this kind of project is taking place in Elkhart, weird. But I definately think you need to step up the cams and turbo setup. You are going all out on everything else to run a 30r and fp2 cams? I have a 35r and crower 280s and will be daily driving my car. I think if I had the funds that you had, and did everything all out from scratch, I would go even bigger.

The car is setup to throw a bigger turbo and cams in there for drag racing. I will be road racing the car thats why I went with a smaller turbo and cams so I can have more torque and hp at a lower RPM band. If I decided to drag it more I can always bolt a bigger turbo on.

[e_miller81]

I just finished the roll cage and I put the fuel cell in. I have to still make the panels for the fuel cell and a door over the filler area. It'm starting to sand it down so I can have the underneath and the interior painted next.
Enjoy the pics.:D

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/Rollcage001.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/Rollcage002-1.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/Rollcage003-1.jpg

[greenghost]

Nice can't wait to see it done

[e_miller81]

I just wanted to let everyone know that an update will be up Friday sometime. I have the underneath painted, interior painted, and a custom removable panel for the sunroof to show you all Friday.

[MyBoostedGST]

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/Rollcage002-1.jpg


Any more pics of the car in the background? I could be completely wrong but it looks like a challenger or cuda.

[e_miller81]

I will check to see if its still up there. This guy that we are doing the work at has cars of all kinds in there all the time.

[OEM]

Nice work. Can't wait to see the finished product.

[HybridAWD]

Any more pics of the car in the background? I could be completely wrong but it looks like a challenger or cuda.
Thing looks sick that is for sure. With the way it looks... this car is bound to come out nice :)

[MyBoostedGST]

Oh don't worry about it then. Thought it might have been yours, a family member's or something.

[n0rthendtr00per]

Any more pics of the car in the background? I could be completely wrong but it looks like a challenger or cuda.
Most definitely a Cuda. Good catch with your eye man, I didn't even see that lol. The brake lights are way bigger on a cuda than a challenger.

[MyBoostedGST]

Most definitely a Cuda. Good catch with your eye man, I didn't even see that lol. The brake lights are way bigger on a cuda than a challenger.

A "Plum Crazy Purple" Hemi Cuda is my all time favorite car. I would take one over any other car in the world.

[e_miller81]

Sorry for the quality of my photos, I don't have my normal camera. The blue looks Great inside just like the suspension. I will hopefully get better pictures at a later date.
The pictures are of the complete roll cage, 8.50 NHRA certified and the underneath I painted.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/CagePainted001.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/CagePainted003.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/CagePainted010.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/CagePainted008.jpg

[destroydsm]

No offense but only running a GT30 and FP2 cams isn't much of an "all out race car"

I'm actually running a bigger setup than that and even I think of myself as a small man on the todem pole. Albeit my car would be cabable of mid 10s, single diggits juiced I still think you need a bigger setup before you consider your car prostreet...

Think of it this way, you'd be racing Jake Montgomery in his Evil Eagle and he runs damn near 8s... You'll be lucky to run high 10s..

Just something to think of.

Other than that, good job. And you get another please don't as far as the body kit goes.. Race cars don't have body kits.. :(


Lol I guess you have to have a giant turbo for your car to be a race car! You DO NOT need the biggest baddest set up to go fast! And Not all race cars have turbos! There is all motor hondas that go 9s, and not to mention v8s, I guess everyone out there thinks you need a 42R or bigger just to go 9's, Shep goes 7's no nitrous on a 42R, so it is a little bit over kill for anyone not planning on going low 9s. and faster and 800 plus WHP.

A race car can have 400whp, It dosent mean its not a fricking race car.

Busting this guys balls about every little thing is ridiculous, Let them dam guy build the car the way HE wants.

So i guess this isent a race car because it dosent have a 42R or bigger!
10.6s on a 14B,
9s on a 16G
But wait it aint no race car it dosent have a giant turbo :chair: Haa

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/ihatejason/DCP_0050.jpg

[destroydsm]

Nice build! you do some good work! The painted interior looks awsome! Keep it up.:)

Make sure when you get advice from people that they have first hand experiance, and not just giving you false infromation that they swear is right.

[n0rthendtr00per]

Jee Golly Mister, your car is sure Beautiful!
Are you going to carpet the interior or keep it gutted?

[e_miller81]

For the class I'm building it for requires full interior for the front half of the car. I'm not sure what I'm going to do for the back half yet.

[LordDigi]

Great thread! Definitely subscribed :)

[MyBoostedGST]

I'm defenitely feeling that color of blue. What is the outside going to look like? Carbon parts or all solid pieces?

[URBANRCR]

Not sure how i missed this thread. Keep up the good work!

Subscribed.

[e_miller81]

I'm defenitely feeling that color of blue. What is the outside going to look like? Carbon parts or all solid pieces?
The car is going to be that blue and then black. It will have carbon fiber in the hood, doors, and hatch. Not a hole lot of the carbon fiber weave will be shown though.

[greenstreak]

I don't subscribe on a DSM board much anymore but sign me up for this thread. :)

[TEC]

That color is gorgeous!! Very nice paint selection and work!

[dsm614]

Wow, inspiring!

I need to learn how to mix up some reducer hardner and clear, then learn the gun.... mmmmm.

[jazzybeats]

Subscribed, beautiful work man, I feel your road racing bug, I get so much crap for building around a small turbo, lag sucks. Keep it up man!
-Jason

[hawaiifiveoh]

Any ideas or existing kits that you will be taking ideas from? I normally am very anti body kit, but I don't mind one that it well put together.

[e_miller81]

I plan on just filling in the fog lamp holes and opening the hole for my intercooler a little larger.

I will be using a the Q side skirts and fender flaires.
The rear is the bomer rear bumper Body Kit.

I think it will flow really well.

[swade]

I plan on just filling in the fog lamp holes and opening the hole for my intercooler a little larger.

I will be using a the Q side skirts and fender flaires.
The rear is the bomer rear bumper Body Kit.

I think it will flow really well.

Pics of the rear and skirts?

swade

[dirtyjerzey]

Loving the stuff your doing, keep us updated. I am crazy about the blue and white, really unique stuff. Can't wait for the next update, good luck!

[Tito97GS-T]

yo so when is the next update again, i've been opening this thread to see updates for a while now but, nothing.

[e_miller81]

I am going to installing the suspension either this weekend or next. A lot of little stuff has to be done. Progressive will be made but its will be small stuff.

[Boosted98gsx]

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/engine002.jpg

I advise against your crank pully. The harmonics of the 4g63 in conjunction with that pully are going to yield over worn bearings and possibly crankwalk.

Grab a fluidampr pully to replace it with.

[Ripper_XX]

^ You beat me too it.

[dsm614]

This thread needs moved to the build section!

[GST_CSF]

Are your cam gears stock but painted?

[Boosted98gsx]

Are your cam gears stock but painted?


Are stock gears adjustable?

[GST_CSF]

/\ WOW I fail!!! I was on my phone and I could not see it clear. Now that im home on my desktop I see them.

[e_miller81]

Thanks for letting me know about the pulley. I will look into replacing that.

Thanks

Thanks for all the support.

[Tito97GS-T]

great project man. good luck i wish i had the money to build a banging dsm. good luck

[e_miller81]

I just received my rear end tonight. I had it powder coated the same color as the suspension. I have to put it back together saturday. I'm hoping to have pics of it sunday.

I should be able to install the Rear end, cross memeber, suspension on Sunday. I'm hoping to have all the suspension in within 3 weeks.

I should be able to post pictures Sunday.

Thanks

[punisher]

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/engine002.jpg

I advise against your crank pully. The harmonics of the 4g63 in conjunction with that pully are going to yield over worn bearings and possibly crankwalk.

Grab a fluidampr pully to replace it with.


Yeah, might want to re-think the underdrive pulley...
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cylinder-head-short-block/268533-broken-crankshaft.html
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/1513989-post386.html

[92tsiguy]

How come this thread has not been moved to the build section yet?

[e_miller81]

Well I went to install the suspension today and I decided that I want to have all stainless bolts for my suspension. I took notes of what I need and I'm hoping that I can order them from a place. This will set me back some but I think it will be for the best.

[Don Boosted]

Blue = :eyejack: Very nice!

[bigjd]

nice build, are you going with carbon fiber doors?

[Black_ bullet]

Nice build...

Im glad you know what YOU want instead of being swayed by all these
complaining people gripeing because you want a body kit or etc.
But there has been some good advice in here as well.

Cant wait to see the finished product. Sounds like its going to be a magazine car lol.

[dsm614]

Please let me know where you are ordering the stainless bolts from...

My undercarriage is spotless as well!

[na94eclipse]

Very nice car. The attention to detail is amazing! Keep up the good work!

[e_miller81]

I'm having a very hard time ordering these bolts. I can get some of them but most of them are needing to be custom made. I got a quote for my suspension bolts all SS in 17-4 stainless for $2,200. Obvisously I'm not doing that and I think I can find a better deal.

I will let you know were I get them. I am trying to spend less than $1,500 for the bolts

[K_Mans_TSI]

Mcmaster.com

[e_miller81]

I will check it out. Thanks

[destroydsm]

Im doing all SS bolts in my engine bay, nothing to crazy.
What are you going to do for the fuel cell top? Just build a aluminum sheet firewall with an access panel? I Still havent decided where to mount my cell (stock locaton or bolted to sheet metal floor) Trying to get ideas.

[e_miller81]

I will be making an aluminum panel with an access door for the fuel cell.

I'm still working on getting the bolts since mcmasters said they couldn't help me out.
I just got back my sway bars and springs for my coilovers.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/Springs01.jpg


http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/Srings.jpg

[URBANRCR]

Nice.

[M50]

Some clean parts there. Nice work.

[RiseoftheEclips]

Keep up the good work!

[tarantula]

Damn:eek: I would absolutely love to do that to my car. I would also powder coat everything!

[K_Mans_TSI]

When you have a powdercoating setup, you tend to powdercoat what you can.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/bluemeanietsi/cagepaint/DSCF1791.jpg

[e_miller81]

When you have a powdercoating setup, you tend to powdercoat what you can.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/bluemeanietsi/cagepaint/DSCF1791.jpg


That looks good, keep up the good work yourself.

I am going to have my crossmembers stripped back down after I painted them to have them powder coated in my blue. They are going to color match my paint. I'm going to end up with $800 in just my crossmembers due to having to due them twice but the paint is chipping already and I haven't even installed them yet.

[K_Mans_TSI]

I just did it to keep it from rusting, I could care less about what it looks like underneath. I just soaked the crap in rust remover solution, hit with a wheel and coated. I didn't bother to fill the pitting.

[IgnitionDelay]

what are those stands that are used to hold the uniibody frame called? i would assume they are only used ofr restorations.
Where are they sold?

thank you, great work

[e_miller81]

They are called a Auto Rotisserie. I don't even remember the place I bought it from since it was some time ago. If you do a search you will find lots of places that sell them. I bought mine for around $1500 with the options I had also.

thanks

[gSx-LeX]

Moved to Build Section. Good luck!



-Lex

[Got Insulin?]

Moved to Build Section. Good luck!



-Lex


+1, for "Finally!"

[brandonzero]

Just read this whole thing, very nice lets see an update.

[e_miller81]

I finally got all of bolts that I will need located expect for 6 Bolts and 6 nuts. I'm going to be using all 17-4 Stainless Steel bolts for the suspension and Chrome bolts for all accesories. The bolts will arrive in about 2 weeks.

[dsm614]

Where did you locate them?

I don't mean to burst your bubble, but you could have bought your own powder coating system for that kinda money!

[e_miller81]

Where did you locate them?

I don't mean to burst your bubble, but you could have bought your own powder coating system for that kinda money!

It cost that much just for just the powder. It was the cheapest I could find between a few companys since I needed it color matched.


I am getting the bolts from a few different companys. I got some from Gardner and Western and some from mmsacc stainless. Between the two companys I was able to get all of my bolts except for 6. I will probably have to have them custom made at a pretty penny.

[dsm614]

What size are the 6 bolts you need?

I don't mind helping find a solution.

[dsm614]

You see this place?

http://www.allensfasteners.com/

[K_Mans_TSI]

I think color-matching those parts was a little extreme.

[Ripper_XX]

Maybe, but I think it's cool that he is putting so much effort into it.

[e_miller81]

I'm thinking I'm going to have to fine a machine shop with a CNC machine to make the bolts I'm wanting. Here is a list of the bolts I'm still needing to find or have made.

Quality: Stainless Steel 17-4
Size : M14
Thread Pitch: 1.5
Lenght: 65mm
Quanity: 2

Quality: Stainless Steel 17-4
Size : M12
Thread Pitch: 1.25
Lenght: 70mm
Quanity: 2

Quality: Stainless Steel 17-4
Size : M12
Thread Pitch: 1.25
Lenght: 40mm
Quanity: 2

I'm also looking for SS m14 1.5 lock nuts.

Unless the company makes bolts them self they will not carry these.
Any one knows of a shop that can make these for me for less than $50 per bolt let me know. I have a company local that will do them for about that price.

Thanks

[LatDSM]

By the way - you should try and use drilled bolts with empty centers, wherever possible. Will save you more than 1 pound of weight later on.

[e_miller81]

By the way - you should try and use drilled bolts with empty centers, wherever possible. Will save you more than 1 pound of weight later on.

I would rather have the extra weight and have a stronger bolt than lose a few pounds. If I am over the weight I want to be at I will lose a few pounds off of me.:D

[Spyder1gdsm]

I'm impressed with the amount of work and dedication to the project :)

[dsm614]

Quality: Stainless Steel 17-4
Size : M14
Thread Pitch: 1.5
Lenght: 65mm
Quanity: 2

nothing about the quality, but say's they are chrome.

http://www.bildon.com/catalog/DetailsList.cfm?ID=M14.US.Stud&Nav=10&SubNav=none


Quality: Stainless Steel 17-4
Size : M12
Thread Pitch: 1.25
Lenght: 70mm
Quanity: 2

Maybe these guys can help on this one?

http://www.nutty.com/a2methcs.shtml


Quality: Stainless Steel 17-4
Size : M12
Thread Pitch: 1.25
Lenght: 40mm
Quanity: 2

"I'm also looking for SS m14 1.5 lock nuts."

You're right, hard to find those.

But i'm still looking. :)

[e_miller81]

Quality: Stainless Steel 17-4
Size : M14
Thread Pitch: 1.5
Lenght: 65mm
Quanity: 2

nothing about the quality, but say's they are chrome.

http://www.bildon.com/catalog/DetailsList.cfm?ID=M14.US.Stud&Nav=10&SubNav=none


Quality: Stainless Steel 17-4
Size : M12
Thread Pitch: 1.25
Lenght: 70mm
Quanity: 2

Maybe these guys can help on this one?

http://www.nutty.com/a2methcs.shtml


Quality: Stainless Steel 17-4
Size : M12
Thread Pitch: 1.25
Lenght: 40mm
Quanity: 2

"I'm also looking for SS m14 1.5 lock nuts."

You're right, hard to find those.

But i'm still looking. :)
The M14 bolts are for the rear end and the link you gave me is for studs. I will call them to see if they can't get that in a hex head in ss or chrome.

The other company had the right bolt in ss but its in standard thread and they can't get 1.25 that I'm needing.

Thanks for the help on the search.

[Ripper_XX]

Want to lose weight with bolts, fuck it use titanium! lol I couldn't imagen what that would cost.

[dsm614]

another place i found...

http://www.fullermetric.com/

[dsm614]

Want to lose weight with bolts, fuck it use titanium! lol I couldn't imagen what that would cost.

Here are the titanium bolts in all the correct sizes...

http://www.tastynuts.com/acatalog/12mm__1_25_fine_pitch__Flanged_Hex_Head_Bolts.html

http://www.tastynuts.com/acatalog/TISPHO01GFITTED.jpg

[dsm614]

Ok, I've found a real one stop shop for the stainless stuff...

http://www.brikksen.com/aboutus.asp

Located in the US, and all they do is stainless metric.

[Ripper_XX]

Wow I was more or less joking but thats awesome actually...





Bit on the pricey side though and considering it's out of country and unless I read that wrong because of it, it costs even more. Now if only there was a state side option for Ti bolts...

[dsm614]

That website has US distributors...

a quick Google leads me to a few links to the same style bolts they have... like this in Cali...

http://www.racebolts.com/store/Titanium-Button-Head-Bolts-M10X125-C32.aspx

[e_miller81]

Here are the titanium bolts in all the correct sizes...

http://www.tastynuts.com/acatalog/12mm__1_25_fine_pitch__Flanged_Hex_Head_Bolts.html

http://www.tastynuts.com/acatalog/TISPHO01GFITTED.jpg

I see that they only show grade 5 bolts and I'm needing grade 8 or higher bolts. I don't know if they are on the same grade though.
I will say that would be sweet to have titanium bolts.:eek:

[Seanaynay25]

Where's the update!

[e_miller81]

I'm waiting for my custom bolts to be made. They are taking longer than excepted and should be here in about 1 1/2 weeks.

I will update asap.

[4g64fiero]

Why not a tube k member and rear subframe? Thats like 60lbs of weight savings. Plus your car will handle better.:dunno:

Your is gonna be sic!

[e_miller81]

I researched it and I believe the only K members out there are for drag racing only. They don't have one to put the power steering rack on it and the suspension is setup different and the guy said it was not designed for road racing. If something has changed please let me know. I don't mind switching it out.


Thanks for the help

[4g64fiero]

I researched it and I believe the only K members out there are for drag racing only. They don't have one to put the power steering rack on it and the suspension is setup different and the guy said it was not designed for road racing. If something has changed please let me know. I don't mind switching it out.


Thanks for the help
With your budget you should be able to find someone to make you a half chassis/half tube setup thats appropriate for road racing. As soon as I find someone to do it for me, I will let you know for sure but I see guys doing it all the time. I havent looked into it deeply because its down the road for me.

[e_miller81]

Well I was going to have a tube chassis made for me but in the class I'm building it for would not allow it. Nothing foward of the Fire wall can be a tube.

[4g64fiero]

Well I was going to have a tube chassis made for me but in the class I'm building it for would not allow it. Nothing foward of the Fire wall can be a tube.
Damn. I gotta start lookin at the rule books or I'm gonna be competing WAY out of my skill level.

[Redtsi252]

any updates?

[e_miller81]

I have not touched the car in over 2 months. I just bought a house and that has slowed me up. I plan on working on it within this month.

[Ambico]

I have not touched the car in over 2 months. I just bought a house and that has slowed me up. I plan on working on it within this month.
Good :cool: I Look forward to new pics on this thread every once in a while. It's SOOOO Clean!

[treebonker]

How did you powder coat the crossmember with the rubber bushings in there? Were they pressed out and reinstalled?

BTW, very clean build :)

[e_miller81]

There is a certain kind of powerder coat that can be cooked at lower temps. There was one bushing that melted and I did have it pressed out and replaced. Other than the one everything went ok. I think it looks great.

[97talonblack]

Wow this is build is just mind blowing! I cannot wait to see this car done. Hope fully by then i will have my own AWD.

[Eclipse GSX 61]

Seems like you have everything covered down to every god damn bolt. You are crazy. As for interior a full black interior would be sick, a black suede roof, and for the whole back you could just carpet it to hide all the metal look?

[Johnnie929]

The month is over we need an update!
Oh and how's the new house?

[Tito97GS-T]

yea man update this......i check this tread every couple days just to see if you made anything new with it. let us know man. good luck wit it and with the new house.

[e_miller81]

I will be able to work on it for the first time in a long time this weekend. I'm finally done with the hunny due list and I will have time to work on it. I'm not sure what I will be able to get done since I don't have the suspension bolts I need but I will hopefully give you guys an update on what I got done and where I see things going.

Thanks for the support.

[e_miller81]

Really no pictures to update but I did work on the car this weekend. I organized the suspension under the car and gathered what bolts I have for it and starting seperating them.

I also found my wiring harness and got that out. I'm still unsure if I want to do all new wiring or just cut out what I don't need of the factory harness? any suggestions. I'm thinking I will just want to cut up the factory harness.

[MuffinMan7580]

If you're still going with the AEM, I would suggest cutting the unnecessary wires out of the stock harness.

Are you still planning on going with the FP2 cams? I've always come to understand that the fp2's are more of a FWD cam.

[e_miller81]

I will be running the FP2x cams. I will do more research down the road but for right now I want to get the car together then I can swap cams out down the road.

Where did you hear about the cams being more for a FWD. I know that you will sacrafice a little bottom in for top end power.

[MuffinMan7580]

I know that you will sacrafice a little bottom in for top end power.
If you look between similar builds, with, for example, one with fp2's, and another with fp3's, you'll notice that the one with fp2's is not only going toward top end power, you're also losing a good bit of torque (less wheelspin for a FWD car). Now I know a lot of people will reply that the FP3's were designed for stroker motors, which is true, but I have a friend who has them in his 2.0, and they make peak power just fine (610 AWHP) and have more torque in a larger portion of the rev-range.

I don't personally know about the fp2x's, but, like you said, if you're not happy with them, you can always change them later on down the road.

[e_miller81]

I got GREAT news!!!!!

I have found a company that believes they can get me the bolts I need. The best part is I will be using TITANIUM BOLTS!!!!!!! It was actually less for me to go to titanium bolts instead of 17-4 stainless steel.

I should have them orded I'm hoping by tomorrow. Once I receive them I can put the suspension in and get it rolling around!:D

Part of the suspension will be the 17-4 stainless steel and the other part will be Titanium. I will give an update once I know for sure I bought them. Thanks to the guy that mentioned titanium bolts.

I was scared that they wouldn't hold up but after speaking to a company that said the Nascar teams use them and after contacting one of them to reasure what the bolt company said I'm good to go.

[Ericy321]

Following this closely as I am in the middle of one myself very similar. Actually almost the same without doing all new bolts and all that. I'll be using the AEM as well and am currently looking into all the things I can cut out of the harness and engine bay that wont be needed.

[e_miller81]

My titanium Bolts came in today :D

This is so exciting today. I've been waiting on the bolts for some time now.

I have a small sample of the bolts. 22 Suspension bolts weighted less than 3lbs. I can't believe they are as light as they are.

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[MidShipCivic]

My titanium Bolts came in today :D

This is so exciting today. I've been waiting on the bolts for some time now.

I have a small sample of the bolts. 22 Suspension bolts weighted less than 3lbs. I can't believe they are as light as they are.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t171/e_miller81/TitaniumBolts.jpg


Do you know it's not such a wise choice to use titanium as your suspension fasteners?

Are any of those supporting any suspension arms?

[e_miller81]

Why is this, Nascar teams use them and Sprint Cars use them. So why is it not wise to use them as suspension bolts? I spoke to many companies and they said this would be great for suspension bolts.

Yes they will be on my a arms.

[MidShipCivic]

Why is this, Nascar teams use them and Sprint Cars use them. So why is it not wise to use them as suspension bolts? I spoke to many companies and they said this would be great for suspension bolts.

Yes they will be on my a arms.


Titanium has the tendency to ''gall''. That's why they are coated or sleeved for metal to metal contact.

Coat them add some moly paste they are lighter but they aren't as strong or resistance as steel to galling..

Nascar and Sprint car constantly pull vehicles apart and replace things, you are going to be doing the same?

[dsm614]

Looks like a great start!

I want to do most of my engine bolts in titanium as well.

[e_miller81]

I spoke with Mettec and they informed me that I won't have an issue with them. I will call them again tomorrow and verify but everything they have said to me about the bolts I will not have any issues. I will ask them how long they should last me?

Is that what your referring to? How long they will last?

6al-4v titanium will not where like your standard titanium from my research I've done.

[MidShipCivic]

I spoke with Mettec and they informed me that I won't have an issue with them. I will call them again tomorrow and verify but everything they have said to me about the bolts I will not have any issues. I will ask them how long they should last me?

Is that what your referring to? How long they will last?

6al-4v titanium will not where like your standard titanium from my research I've done.


Then it's possible they engineered it into the parts .

[e_miller81]

I worked on my coilovers, cleaning them up and putting them together today.

Here is a picture of those. I'm will be going out there Sunday and working on putting the suspension in. I'm hoping I have all the pieces I need.

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[Redtsi252]

We Want More Updates

[e_miller81]

I actually worked on the car this weekend. I will be putting pictures up in hopefully a week. I was one bushing and 1 bolt short of finishing the suspension in the car.

[e_miller81]

I have both Crossmembers up and I'm ready to start installing the rest of the suspension. Here are a few picture updates.
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[dsm614]

Holy shit thats sick... If you would could you let me know who you ended up going with?

[e_miller81]

Holy shit thats sick... If you would could you let me know who you ended up going with?

I'm not sure what your talking about?

[dsm614]

For the bolts, what supplier.

[Kmoore]

You may have mentioned this but what are your tire and rim choices going to be? Just curious. Great build.

[MidShipCivic]

Miller are you good at fabricating tubular and sheet metal parts?

If so (kinda late) I'd alter your rear differential mount it's inadequate for high torque, they
do break but I'm not sure if you're going to be giving that car a good thrashing.

[4g64fiero]

Miller are you good at fabricating tubular and sheet metal parts?

If so (kinda late) I'd alter your rear differential mount it's inadequate for high torque, they
do break but I'm not sure if you're going to be giving that car a good thrashing.
At what point do they break? I have never heard of this.

[MidShipCivic]

At what point do they break? I have never heard of this.

Cause you drive an FF?

It's the most ridiculous differential mounting it's certainly not ment to take much 1g's mounting is a bit better but it still flexes undesireably.

[e_miller81]

I'm hoping to have more pictures up tomorrow.

I received the bolts from racebolts.com They are the ones that have the Ti bolts.

I thought about making a solid mount for the diff but I decided not to do it right now. I might come back to that in the future. My plan is only around 450tq and I think it should be fine for that right now.

Thanks

[e_miller81]

I have the front suspension mostly done. I also started putting a few brackets in the car. I sandblasted the brackets, then primed them and painted them black.



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[pinder91]

I love this build! It's nice to see someone else have the same rediculously high standards as I do.

[Sebba]

You should do the knuckle mod so you can run EVO Brembo brakes.

So are you going to keep a full interior? A/C? Powersteering? Radio etc...?

Please do... it really bothers me to see these cars with so much money into them, yet they have had the powersteering hacked out and the interior just covered in sheet metal. Stock look owns all!

Oh, and lets see an update : )

[e_miller81]

I have a Wilwood 6 piston brake system that I'm using. I will be keeping a full interior up front. I'm not sure what I'm doing in the trunk area yet. I will not be running ac but I will have powersteering and a little nicer radio over stock. Nothing crazy. I was going to remove the heating system from the car but because of needing my windows possible defrosted I will be keeping that now.

I have the brackets up for my dash and the shifter in the car. I am helping my dad show his 58 Corvette in 2 weeks and we don't have that ready yet so it will be a couple of weeks before I have other pictures of an update.

[Sebba]

Why not A/C? If you don't want the extra load on the engine then just remove the belt for it, but don't remove the system.

[e_miller81]

The reason I decided not to use Ac is for clearance issues. I'm going to be running a 3"o2 with a 3" downpipe and that puts the downpipe really close to the Alt. I had trouble with the alt. sparking with the downpipe and shorting itself out. I'm moving the alt. were the AC unit was. Also your talking about 65lbs lighter car.

[Sebba]

Thats a fair reason.

[16G_tsi_awd]

This car should be a show car and you should pick up a beater to road race with. Thats just my opinion. It's gonna be immaculate and driving it will just dirty it. :eek: I guess your ok with that though. You should sale that 30 series and go HTA35R

[gSx-LeX]

Talk about a car done right. Give us more photos.

[e_miller81]

Tirado Custom Coatings will be putting a ceramic and powder coat on these parts. I wanted to post a before picture and an after picture. The Exhaust parts will be done in his Ceramic coat and the exhaust hangers and pedals will be done in a powder coat that looks like chrome. I should have the parts back in about 2 weeks from what he says. Should look good and look forward to showing off his great work.



Here is his information if you would like to get the parts done.



Carlos Tirado
TiradoCustomCoatings
www.tiradocustomcoatings.com
carlos@tiradocustomcoatings.com
Powder coat & Performance coatings



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[Sebba]

That looks awesome.

[URBANRCR]

Ive been away from this forum for awhile now and the first thread i had to check in on was your build. Everything looks great and it looks like its coming together nicely.

[e_miller81]

Just wanted to give an update. While I'm waiting for my parts back from Tirado Custom Coatings I decied to continue the work on the inside of the car. I am trying to get my Heater system working with my roll cage. I will have to modify the vents but I should be able to get it to work.

[e_miller81]

I just got a few pictures of my items that got ceramic coated by Tirado Custom Coatings. He does such quality work as you can see. If you need any powder coating or ceramic coating done he is the guy to do it. Carlos the owner is a great guy.
For his e-mail and info go to his sight tiradocustomcoatings.com

The coating on these is good for 2000 degrees.
ENJOY!
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