Thought I would throw up a project log of the evil~eagle.

[evil~eagle]

Well as most know it's off season and it's time to rebuild for next season for 2008. My car is under the knife right now and is going through ALOT of changes that I have been wanting to do for along time now. Right now the car is pretty much a flinstone car with nothing in it. I am tearing every last bit out of the car and rebuilding it from ground up and loosing a TON of weight in the process.

So as the car sits right now, this is what it looks like, this is only the begining of the 2008 build, doesn't look like much since it's pretty much a tin can at this point, but once all done and said, it will turn out very very nice. So this is what I have beeing doing on my free time at 2am at night. Once I get everything out of the inside of the car I am going to redo some of the front half of the cage, and have the entire inside of the car painted black to match the outside of the car.

Don't mind the parachute, been too lazy to re-pack it after my last pass in bakersfield last month.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build001.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build002.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build003.jpg

And for all of you that wondered what happen to my car in bakersfield CA at the BOTI world finals, well check out the nice plumbers crack down #2 cylinder. I found the limits of my block without hard blocking it. So my next block with be filled with block fill to strengthen the cylinder walls, we ran this motor all season without pulling it out nor pulling the head off, it did great for us considering I have over 40 low 9sec passes this year with 4 pro event wins out of 6 events. So 44lbs of boost and 100shot of nitrous and this is what happened.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build006.jpg

I will post pictures as the progress goes on this off season, should be very interesting needless to say the least.

[GoT 60']

looks good... hope to be running w/ you next year. well see tho..

[turbolover]

Subscribed:)
That motor definitely took a beating this season, cant wait to see what it'll do next season. Good luck and your an inspiration to all of us!

[evil~eagle]

looks good... hope to be running w/ you next year. well see tho..


Sweet man, would love to see more DSM's at the BOTI events! also, we are really steping it up next season, so expect to see mid 8's out of the car for 2008;) :D

So far we have taken out 170lbs of useless crap that will not be going back into the car, and the fun just started:D

[Boost92AWD]

Good luck on your build. Keep us up dated on your progress.

[evil~eagle]

Here are the R&R aluminum rods that came out of my motor that I ran this season, note: look at how well the rod bearings looked, this was with 40+lbs, 100shot and 10,500rpm shifts and well over 40 low 9sec passes. Rod bearings looked perfect!! I am very happy with these rods, they don't pound the hell out of the bearings like a heavy steal rod would at 10k+rpm. I will be reusing these rods for next season after inspecting them and checking for strech/shrinkage/out of round. And they came out looking like they were when brand new!! Aluminum rods ROCK!!!




http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build019.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build020.jpg

[evil~eagle]

A different look at the bearings without the flash on the camera

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build021.jpg

[IggyBcool]

Jake, you're my fuckin Hero man. Good luck with everything.

[GoT 60']

looks good. how many times did you have to replace the bearing when you didnt have aluminum rods?

[evil~eagle]

I do want to let everyone know that the main reason I am doing this is to try to inspire more DSMer's to put DSM's back on the map, I know alot of you can agree with me that DSM's are falling into a pit and you hardly see any more DSM competeing in national events.
To my knowledge and from what I have seen this past season from traveling around racing at the big pro events I was extremely disapointed. It's pretty sad when I am the ONLY one that enters in the pro class with a AWD DSM, every event I went to I was pretty much the only one there with a DSM. If any other DSM's showed they would enter in Street tuner class or 90% of the time they would just enter into the "fun runs" But back to the point, to my knowledge there are only 3-4 DSMers in the country that are racing competively and travel around, me, Brent Rau, Kiggly, Bill Lowe on occation. Everyone else is out for personal records anymore, what fun is that???

As most know ever since the evo was released DSM's kinda fell out of the loop. Don't get me wrong, I love evo's just as much as the next person does, but we cannot forget where the 4g63 motor came from, and that is DSM's!!

So with that said, I wanted to start this thread to show everyone that it doesn't take 30 million dollars to build a car at this level, I also want to prove to everyone that it all can be done with off the shelf parts that you can buy at any company. everything on my car was off the shelf, nothing custom made at all, even the pistons were off the shelf, Just the good ole 8.3~1 Ross .020 over pistons, part number 99811's.

So keep checking back from now and then to see the progress of the talon. And lets get more and more DSM's out there running in the bigger pro classes! I'm tired of seeing nothing but hondas and supras. I can tell you this much, as much shit that honda guys and supra guys talk about DSM's I think it's really funny that my car has held up 10x's better then there cars did. I won 4 out of 6 pro events this season, the 2 that I didn't win was due to drivetrain breakage being a transfer case/rear axle, or the nice cracked block at the BOTI world finals. To tell you the truth, I could have still won the event with the cracked block if I would have just ran it hard, but it would have done more damage then I wanted to cause.

So I wanna see more and more DSM's at these events next season!! We are going to hit the BOTI event's hard next season, maybe even all of them being the east coast swing and the west coast swing. So stay tuned!!

[evil~eagle]

looks good. how many times did you have to replace the bearing when you didnt have aluminum rods?


At this power level and 10,5krpm I was changing rod bearings every 15-20 passes, ruffly around 3 full events, that was with heavy steal rods.

Tried the aluminum rods and have never looked back since! The aluminum rods will absorb ALOT of shock and alot of detonation, at this power level I don't care what anyone says, your going to get some detonation with running this amount of boost/nitrous.;)

[GoT 60']

At this power level and 10,5krpm I was changing rod bearings every 15-20 passes, ruffly around 3 full events. Tried the aluminum rods and have never looked back since! The aluminum rods with absorb ALOT of shock and alot of detonation, at this power level I don't care what anyone says, your going to get some detonation with running this amount of boost/nitrous.;)

Who did you buy the rods from? You have inspired my build and i have almost everything you have except bigger cams(you will be going bigger soon if not already), different tranny(dog box which you will have next season), Eagle crank(not sure if you havent already changed out), less weight(you have already made different changes lol,) different manifold i wanted bottom mount for little quicker spool hopefully. So anyways good luck with the new build cant wait for next season. I wont be going to as many events only 20 and cant afford to drop my job w/ no major sponsors and or back up, but cant wait to see ya out there.

[cs82685]

So I wanna see more and more DSM's at these events next season!! We are going to hit the BOTI event's hard next season, maybe even all of them being the east coast swing and the west coast swing. So stay tuned!!

You should give everyone a when/where you're gonna be. I'd love to come out and watch that car run if you made it to NJ.

I've only been watching your progress for a few years, but it's definetly been entertaining the whole time. Since there's no thumbsup, you get a tree :tree:

[evil~eagle]

Who did you buy the rods from? You have inspired my build and i have almost everything you have except bigger cams(you will be going bigger soon if not already), different tranny(dog box which you will have next season), Eagle crank(not sure if you havent already changed out), less weight(you have already made different changes lol,) different manifold i wanted bottom mount for little quicker spool hopefully. So anyways good luck with the new build cant wait for next season. I wont be going to as many events only 20 and cant afford to drop my job w/ no major sponsors and or back up, but cant wait to see ya out there.


Not sure if you knew or not, but right before the bakersfield event I put a shep racing dog box in the car, man I love this thing, this transmission is by far the best thing next to bread and butter when it comes to DSM transmission.

As far as the crank, I still plan on using the stock OEM crank, thats what I ran this past season and the crank looked 110% perfect after all the hard passes, allthough we did put about 12-13 hours into the crank with lightening it ect. But untill I run into problems with the OEM stock crank, there is no reason to spend all the money for a eagle crank. Now on the strokers, yes I would do a eagle crank, but 2.0L's I stick with the OEM crank.

I did alot of testing with different styles of rods, and all the heavy steal rods the bearings would come out looking like shat!! Unless I backed off the power a TON!, last season when I was running high 9's and spining it up to 9krpm the bearings look great, but this season with about 300-400whp more it was a completely different game. and trying to keep the car off the rev limiter, well when your racing and you light up all 4 tires like the 4th of july, you tend to smack the rev limter pretty hard, and at 10k+rpm rev limiter it's not all that good on the bearings. But who is going to lift during a race?;) :D I sure as hell won't, I'm a die hard, unless there is a rod playing peak a boo and there is still paint on the side of the car, I'm staying in it!:banana:

Alot of people with cars at this level are scared to even tell anyone what there bearings look like after a dozen passes, I'm not scared to share with people what works and what doesn't. I know some people get pissed at me for sharing this kind of stuff, but I'm also tired of seeing all these DSM's breaking from people trying to learn it on there own, and after time people just give up and part there cars out. I'm trying to put a stop to that nonsence and help people out when I can cause DSM's are starting to fall of the face of the earth, now I can't just sit here on the net all day and night explaining how things work and why you should do this and that, but I will do my best. All I want to see is more and more DSM'ers like myself get out there and put DSM's back on the map and show people what these cars can do when built right and are in the right hands.:D

[evil~eagle]

You should give everyone a when/where you're gonna be. I'd love to come out and watch that car run if you made it to NJ.

I've only been watching your progress for a few years, but it's definetly been entertaining the whole time. Since there's no thumbsup, you get a tree :tree:


HAHA! I get a tree:banana: I have posted on the boards every time we goto an event out of state, everyone says they will be there and when I show up, nobody shows (DSMers that is) so it's kinda sad in a way. But I will be posting everything we do next season, so everyone should know our racing schedule.

[GoT 60']

Who did you get the rods from? Ya i remember you saying something about the tranny I knew you got it in. I just put in next season sry. The only reason I got the eagle crank was because I got it for a damn good price at 300 bucks never used so I said what the hell and got it.

[cs82685]

HAHA! I get a tree:banana: I have posted on the boards every time we goto an event out of state, everyone says they will be there and when I show up, nobody shows (DSMers that is) so it's kinda sad in a way. But I will be posting everything we do next season, so everyone should know our racing schedule.


Well then, I guess I just have to pay more attention :wall:

[The_EE]

HAHA! I get a tree:banana: I have posted on the boards every time we goto an event out of state, everyone says they will be there and when I show up, nobody shows (DSMers that is) so it's kinda sad in a way. But I will be posting everything we do next season, so everyone should know our racing schedule.

Well, get your ass out to So Cal ( California Speedway ) for BotI 08 and I will be out there racing about 3 or 4 seconds behind ya. We should have a number of DSM's out there this next season if everyones cars hold up.

[psykhotic]

I'll come for support lol

[11secdsm]

Who did you get the rods from?

Probably direct from R&R...http://www.rrconnectingrods.com/


Good luck in '08 Jake. I'm definitely anxious to see what you do!

[16G_tsi_awd]

So I take it R&R aluminum rods dont stretch like Grodens..?

[brandonzero]

Nice a race car build log, purty... those bearings still looks pretty stout good luck, good stuff.

[91PumaGSX]

Car's lookin good! You're our inspiration over here in Poky, hopefully we'll get to see you next season.

[evil~eagle]

Probably direct from R&R...http://www.rrconnectingrods.com/


Good luck in '08 Jake. I'm definitely anxious to see what you do!


I got the aluminum rods from FFWD connection, Darrin hooked me up with a set and modified the bearings for the bearing lock on the cap.

I can't wait for next season. I have big plans in store for the talon.:D

So I take it R&R aluminum rods dont stretch like Grodens..?

With aluminum rods you really check for shrinkage as you may know aluminum has an expansion rate, so as the grow they will cool down and come back to there normal size, it's all hear say, but Aluminum rods these days are desinged to last a LONG time. Everyone is using different type of aluminum these days, unlike back in the old days when aluminum rods 1st came out they wouldn't last very long. It's a completely different game with the new aluminum rods.

Groden makes a hell of a aluminum rod as well. Honestly between R&R rods and grodens, I would use either, they are both fantastic rods. And for the price of them you can't beat it.

Now I don't reccomend a stop and go daily driver on aluminum rods, but it can be done, and alot of people are doing it. I was driving mine around a ton on the street with the R&R rods. How long will they last? Not for sure, it's not power that breaks them or hurts them, it's heat cylces more then anything.

[evil~eagle]

Well, get your ass out to So Cal ( California Speedway ) for BotI 08 and I will be out there racing about 3 or 4 seconds behind ya. We should have a number of DSM's out there this next season if everyones cars hold up.


We will deffintly be at California speedway next season, so you can count on us being there!:D

[evil~eagle]

Who did you get the rods from? Ya i remember you saying something about the tranny I knew you got it in. I just put in next season sry. The only reason I got the eagle crank was because I got it for a damn good price at 300 bucks never used so I said what the hell and got it.

Shit if I had an offer like that I wouldn't pass it up either! Good find!!

[The_EE]

OK good, I will do everything in my power to have my car there. We have a good number of guys who better have their shit together this year ( that includes me ).

Anything short of a full engine failure and I will be running. That means, I am bringing an extra trans, axles, transfer case with me in case I need to replace something. A freaking broken axle kept me from racing in BotI.

[evil~eagle]

OK good, I will do everything in my power to have my car there. We have a good number of guys who better have their shit together this year ( that includes me ).

Anything short of a full engine failure and I will be running. That means, I am bringing an extra trans, axles, transfer case with me in case I need to replace something. A freaking broken axle kept me from racing in BotI.

Sound good man! You should see the big huge rubber made bin we bring with us to the out of state events, I have every last bit of spare drivetrain parts minus a transmission, including a head gakset, spare center section for my turbo, spair 300m coils for the COP ignition, 5 spare rear axles, 2 spare front axles, 1 drive shaft, 2 transfer cases, 1 rear end ect ect. It looks like a swap meet in our trailer haha. Luckly we havent had to use hardly any of it other then a t-case and driveshaft when we were in seattle. That track was very sticky.

[blue_gsx]

Come down to englishtown,NJ. Few 9 second dsms running here and there..

Havent seen one run 8's since sean glazer was out here running..

[The_EE]

Sound good man! You should see the big huge rubber made bin we bring with us to the out of state events, I have every last bit of spare drivetrain parts minus a transmission, including a head gakset, spare center section for my turbo, spair 300m coils for the COP ignition, 5 spare rear axles, 2 spare front axles, 1 drive shaft, 2 transfer cases, 1 rear end ect ect. It looks like a swap meet in our trailer haha. Luckly we havent had to use hardly any of it other then a t-case and driveshaft when we were in seattle. That track was very sticky.

I dont have the joy of a truck, I have to pack everything into the back of the GSX hehe. I am most likely going to be trading in the SRT-4 as soon as I get the GSX running and picking up a truck so I can have a trailer to haul the car with.

[evil~eagle]

Come down to englishtown,NJ. Few 9 second dsms running here and there..

Havent seen one run 8's since sean glazer was out here running..

We might be hitting that track as well, just all depends on sponsorship help, if we land some good sponsors this off season that will help with funds we will hit more tracks up next year. It gets spendy with gas and what not, that track is almost 2000 miles from us.

[blue_gsx]

We might be hitting that track as well, just all depends on sponsorship help, if we land some good sponsors this off season that will help with funds we will hit more tracks up next year. It gets spendy with gas and what not, that track is almost 2000 miles from us.


Dsmtalk should sponsor you man. I'm pretty sure there are alot of members(including me)on here that appreciate everything you do and accomplish in the dsm community. I know its very expensive to build a low 9 second car,which i plan on doing before i die lol. But an 8 second car is not cheap to maintain. Members on here should donate some money to help cover your traveling fees for you to compete at events. I know i would.

Good luck for 2008 man!

[evil~eagle]

Dsmtalk should sponsor you man. I'm pretty sure there are alot of members(including me)on here that appreciate everything you do and accomplish in the dsm community. I know its very expensive to build a low 9 second car,which i plan on doing before i die lol. But an 8 second car is not cheap to maintain. Members on here should donate some money to help cover your traveling fees for you to compete at events. I know i would.

Good luck for 2008 man!


I really appreciate the kind words man, it means alot comming from other DSMer's. I don't care how much it cost me to get where I want to be, money doesn't matter to me at this point, allthough it doesn't grow on trees like I wish it would LOL, but pretty much every damn penny I get in my pocket goes right back into the car, I will never quit, I know breaking parts and going fast go together, and I fully expect to break parts, it's part of racing.:D

But thank you for the kind words:o

[FWDEMON]

Now we have all been watching the vids and updates, but i gotta ask do oyou have a website?

[MufflerBearing]

I really appreciate the kind words man, it means alot comming from other DSMer's. I don't care how much it cost me to get where I want to be, money doesn't matter to me at this point, allthough it doesn't grow on trees like I wish it would LOL, but pretty much every damn penny I get in my pocket goes right back into the car, I will never quit, I know breaking parts and going fast go together, and I fully expect to break parts, it's part of racing.:D

But thank you for the kind words:oNo problem. I think they should sponsor you as well. Any question i have you are quick to respond and i appreciate it more then you will ever know. Anytime my friends have a question for myself, i always try to give an example, 9/10 your my example lol.

[eagle claw]

I was here in slc Jake when you ran the idrc, also down in vegas at BOTI. I got you that t-bolt clamp from corts trailer. There are more people spectating than you think.

[evil~eagle]

I was here in slc Jake when you ran the idrc, also down in vegas at BOTI. I got you that t-bolt clamp from corts trailer. There are more people spectating than you think.

Nice! Thanks man! Yeah that was very cool of you guys to give me that t-bolt clamp, mine broke after I was cranking on it too hard, man I was worried too cause we didn't have one, you and Cort saved the day!!!:banana:

Well next season you guys need to come over and introduce yourselfs! After the events we always go out to dinner or a beer, so it would be fun to have a group of people from each state we goto to have a beer or some shit.

[fst91dsm]

Congrats on the year Jake!!! I cant wait to see how you do next year. Hopefully the Pacific NorthWest can finally get some love. Keep it up.

[JuanG]

I do want to let everyone know that the main reason I am doing this is to try to inspire more DSMer's to put DSM's back on the map, I know alot of you can agree with me that DSM's are falling into a pit and you hardly see any more DSM competeing in national events.
To my knowledge and from what I have seen this past season from traveling around racing at the big pro events I was extremely disapointed. It's pretty sad when I am the ONLY one that enters in the pro class with a AWD DSM, every event I went to I was pretty much the only one there with a DSM. If any other DSM's showed they would enter in Street tuner class or 90% of the time they would just enter into the "fun runs" But back to the point, to my knowledge there are only 3-4 DSMers in the country that are racing competively and travel around, me, Brent Rau, Kiggly, Bill Lowe on occation. Everyone else is out for personal records anymore, what fun is that???

As most know ever since the evo was released DSM's kinda fell out of the loop. Don't get me wrong, I love evo's just as much as the next person does, but we cannot forget where the 4g63 motor came from, and that is DSM's!!

So with that said, I wanted to start this thread to show everyone that it doesn't take 30 million dollars to build a car at this level, I also want to prove to everyone that it all can be done with off the shelf parts that you can buy at any company. everything on my car was off the shelf, nothing custom made at all, even the pistons were off the shelf, Just the good ole 8.3~1 Ross .020 over pistons, part number 99811's.

So keep checking back from now and then to see the progress of the talon. And lets get more and more DSM's out there running in the bigger pro classes! I'm tired of seeing nothing but hondas and supras. I can tell you this much, as much shit that honda guys and supra guys talk about DSM's I think it's really funny that my car has held up 10x's better then there cars did. I won 4 out of 6 pro events this season, the 2 that I didn't win was due to drivetrain breakage being a transfer case/rear axle, or the nice cracked block at the BOTI world finals. To tell you the truth, I could have still won the event with the cracked block if I would have just ran it hard, but it would have done more damage then I wanted to cause.

So I wanna see more and more DSM's at these events next season!! We are going to hit the BOTI event's hard next season, maybe even all of them being the east coast swing and the west coast swing. So stay tuned!!

I agree with you here. I've been dying to get a 4g63T. I wanted an EVO so bad(the Evo 5 is what got me into Mitsubishi Motors:) ), but hey Im young and couldn't really afford it on daily payments. So Im in the process of getting a '95 GSX and start from here. I would like to see more DSM's at the track running the numbers you, Shep, Rau, and others are running. But I guess that some of us are just not as passionate as others are. Some of the main reasons that cause the decline of DSM's at the track are: 1)Maybe others don't want to spend the money to make a 4 cylinder run 9's. So I guess people switch to V8's instead. 2) Like I said above, others might not have the passion for doing it. Maybe racing isn't there interest in life. 3) Some people will most likely build a street car rather then a track car. THE MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL......4) The idiots who buy the car because it has a turbo on it. Blow the head gasket and start crying because these cars aren't reliable. So the parting begins.....This to me is the main reason DSM's are going down period. It kills me to see these cars getting parted out. Everytime I see one, it tells me we lost one more DSM in this world:( . If you are ever on the East coast next year let us know. I'll be more than happy to stop by and see you make a pass. I may not be the biggest DSMer in the house, but I have a passion for these motors. Hopefully down the road I'll be right next to you, Shep and the others. Keep up the awesome work. I'll be watching this thread from now and on. Thanks for not giving up on these cars and being the only DSMer at your events bringing trophies home. You deserve a tree :tree:.

[TravisB]

subscribed. Cant wait to see the build and faster times in 2008.

[wishihadatalon]

So no one has asked yet. What are the big plans Jake? :)

[Alex Ramos]

Seen the video's, very nice DSM! I hope to one day have a fast DSM. I've owned 4 and just can't get away from them. Keep us updated! I'm interested to know whats going to be put in there next season. Come to the STL sometime, it would be awesome to see that car make a run!

[PRgst]

Greetings from Puerto Rico, Jake you are known here. I'm planning to move to Arizona next year. If I see you are going to Phoenix International I'll go down there to meet you. I wish you success and 8 seconds at the begining '08.

[eagle claw]

Nice! Thanks man! Yeah that was very cool of you guys to give me that t-bolt clamp, mine broke after I was cranking on it too hard, man I was worried too cause we didn't have one, you and Cort saved the day!!!:banana:

Well next season you guys need to come over and introduce yourselfs! After the events we always go out to dinner or a beer, so it would be fun to have a group of people from each state we goto to have a beer or some shit.
For sure. Were going to have to line up next next year for the fun of it. Two identical looking cars right next to eachother :)

[evil~eagle]

For sure. Were going to have to line up next next year for the fun of it. Two identical looking cars right next to eachother :)

Hell yeah man, that would be sweet!

[kiggly]

Wow, those rod bearings sure do look pretty good for what they've been through. The wear across the width of the bearing looks a lot more even than mine come apart showing. I may switch over to these for my next engine, which won't happen until this one gives up. I never really considered bearing wear related to the rods until recently.

Also, are you still using the stock oil pickup in this motor? If so, it has pretty nasty pressure drop at anything better than about 1.7 60' times. That would make your bearings' condition even more impressive. Mine didn't start coming apart looking decent until I started changing the pickup around.

Kevin

[evil~eagle]

Wow, those rod bearings sure do look pretty good for what they've been through. The wear across the width of the bearing looks a lot more even than mine come apart showing. I may switch over to these for my next engine, which won't happen until this one gives up. I never really considered bearing wear related to the rods until recently.

Also, are you still using the stock oil pickup in this motor? If so, it has pretty nasty pressure drop at anything better than about 1.7 60' times. That would make your bearings' condition even more impressive. Mine didn't start coming apart looking decent until I started changing the pickup around.

Kevin


Thanks Kevin, it's good to see you in this thread! So everyone that see's Kiggly's post, TAKE NOTES!! this guy has done ALOT of R&D work and knows his shit.

Kevin, I haven't done anything with the oil pickup tube, it's bone stock along with the oil pan is stock as well. I did however see some pressure drop on my low 1.4 60ft's, but it was only a 10-15psi drop, so in other words it would go from 95psi to 75-80psi on the hard launches above 8000rpm. The way these bearings came out it's hard to tell if it's the oil pressure relief valve bouncing open and shut since it was right at the rev limiter when it happen, but after that it would be nice and smooth through out the whole run. I'm going to further invetigate the oil pickup tube situation as well. Cause I am pushing more towards the pickup tube too, but inspecting the bearings and seeing how they were I wasn't so concerned about it since I did hammer this motor harder then hell this season.

But I tell yeah, from switching from a steal rod to the aluminum rods I will never go back to a steal rod unless it's a 100% daily driver, a motor spining over 9500rpm with a steal rod is just asking for pre-mature bearing wear.

[Stoicalpear]

Even though I just make scrambled eggs out of my engine and I am really pissed about having to start over, this for some reason really hits home. The whole thread and about not giving up. Thanks really helped a lot. :)

[BIG Ted]

I think I found the answer to all my spun bearings. Eagle h beams, plus 9K= 3 spun bearings withing 3 months.


I guess its time for aluminum rods, and/or a new engine builder?

[blacktalonman]

Keep up the good work man it is definetly impressive. I hope to have my car running by this summer. YOu are my role model

[evil~eagle]

I think I found the answer to all my spun bearings. Eagle h beams, plus 9K= 3 spun bearings withing 3 months.


I guess its time for aluminum rods, and/or a new engine builder?

It's hard to say if it was caused by the rods. People need to understand that detonation will kill rod bearings in a hurry, detonation will pound the bearings to a pulp. I have spun steel rods to 9500rpm and they held up fine, it was when I started to push masive horse power and spining up past 10k is when the bearings would start looking like shit. upto around 600-700whp I didn't have much problems with bearings, it was past 800whp I started to see them getting wiped out, never spun one, but it was chewing away at them.

[16G_tsi_awd]

What kind of oil/oil modifications did you have by the 800hp point?

[evil~eagle]

What kind of oil/oil modifications did you have by the 800hp point?


Just the ported pressure relief valve mod and mobil 1 15w50 oil. Nothing to serious.

[wishihadatalon]

Just the ported pressure relief valve mod and mobil 1 15w50 oil. Nothing to serious.
Hey Jake, I have a question about oil pressure. Do you restrict the amount of oil to the head? If so, do you do so with the Magnus restrictor? If not have you had any problems that might make you want to?

A semi-local here had a problem spinning his 2.0 as high as you and having it break up on the top end. He figured out that the lifters were staying pumped up and causing the valve to stay open.

[evil~eagle]

Hey Jake, I have a question about oil pressure. Do you restrict the amount of oil to the head? If so, do you do so with the Magnus restrictor? If not have you had any problems that might make you want to?

A semi-local here had a problem spinning his 2.0 as high as you and having it break up on the top end. He figured out that the lifters were staying pumped up and causing the valve to stay open.


I am using the older style JDM pressure releif valve in the head, they work much better, but are extremely hard to come by these days.

[wishihadatalon]

Much better than stock? Or much better than the Magnus unit?

[16G_tsi_awd]

I am using the older style JDM pressure releif valve in the head, they work much better, but are extremely hard to come by these days.

So my JDM motor probably has one...?

[kiggly]

You won't have any lifter pump-up or rocker tossing type problems unless you are actually floating valves. Treating this by modifying pressure to the lifters is addressing the symptom, not the cause. I've bench-tested dsm hydraulic lifters up to almost 13,000rpm. They behave very nicely and stay solid and stable even way up there.

Kevin

[evil~eagle]

You won't have any lifter pump-up or rocker tossing type problems unless you are actually floating valves. Treating this by modifying pressure to the lifters is addressing the symptom, not the cause. I've bench-tested dsm hydraulic lifters up to almost 13,000rpm. They behave very nicely and stay solid and stable even way up there.

Kevin


Couldn't have said it better.

[evil~eagle]

To further go into more detail about the pressure releif in the head, the whole reason behind it was my car was laying over in 3rd and 4th gear, even though the logs looked great, a/f, timing, boost ect look great. Then after a hard pass I would shut the car down on the return road to throw my chute in the trunk, well when I went back to start the car again it would have a hard time restarting (kinda like no compression) untill the motor would cool down some. Alot of people have different opioins about it, but by puting the 1g stock lifters back in the car and using the JDM pressure releif in the head my car picked up 3-4mph and .2 tenths and didn't have anymore problems starting the car after a full pass. And the car would pull strong and clean upto 10,500rpm. While as before with the revised 2g lifters and just the 92 oil head valve (or whatever you wanna call them) the car would only want to spin upto about 9500rpm, anything past that it would die off.

With the revised lifters I think they would pump up way too much causeing the valves to hang open a bit, also the revised 2g lifters had a shorter throw then the 1g lifters did. So in other words my revised lifters would not compress as much as the 1g stock lifters would.

It's all hear say at this point about the pressure relief valve or a restrictor but in my case it did help alot. Not every car will have this problem though. It was all trial and error..

[DSM_Zak]

awsome thread.
damn.

love the car more and more
I just wish I had the Time, and money would be nice to be able to compete with you.
I'm eventually going to make my car a track car only and bring it to the tens and work from there.

But between, Work and girlfriend and some time to my DSM, theres never enough time to think about pulling the motor and going all out on the son-of-a-betch

Soon, I will end up having it competing with you if you are still into it when I am more finacially stable.
Screw the Honda guys and Supra guys that run their mouth, they are just morons that are afraid they have an eclipse competeing with their $30K supra, or their completly gutted honda running as hard as it possibly can.

Once I get my dad to come around from V8s and actually start supporting my passion of DSMs, maybe he will end up helping me out like your is.
I envy that a ton.

[wishihadatalon]

To further go into more detail about the pressure releif in the head, the whole reason behind it was my car was laying over in 3rd and 4th gear, even though the logs looked great, a/f, timing, boost ect look great. Then after a hard pass I would shut the car down on the return road to throw my chute in the trunk, well when I went back to start the car again it would have a hard time restarting (kinda like no compression) untill the motor would cool down some. Alot of people have different opioins about it, but by puting the 1g stock lifters back in the car and using the JDM pressure releif in the head my car picked up 3-4mph and .2 tenths and didn't have anymore problems starting the car after a full pass. And the car would pull strong and clean upto 10,500rpm. While as before with the revised 2g lifters and just the 92 oil head valve (or whatever you wanna call them) the car would only want to spin upto about 9500rpm, anything past that it would die off.

With the revised lifters I think they would pump up way too much causeing the valves to hang open a bit, also the revised 2g lifters had a shorter throw then the 1g lifters did. So in other words my revised lifters would not compress as much as the 1g stock lifters would.

It's all hear say at this point about the pressure relief valve or a restrictor but in my case it did help alot. Not every car will have this problem though. It was all trial and error..
Don't mind lifter tick then :)

Thanks to you and Kevin for the info.

[xtreme-gsx]

Jake

Loved the video....just can't get enough of it! Your car is just FUCK'n SICK bro!!!!

Your hand brake lever, where in the hell did you pick that up. Do you have a brand or part number on that item. I've search all over JEGS and Summitt and all I can find is the hydrolic version of it, pretty much the old school push button line lock units. I'm looking to see some 8's from yah next season.....keep up the GOOD work.

[Nightsun]

It's hard to say if it was caused by the rods. People need to understand that detonation will kill rod bearings in a hurry, detonation will pound the bearings to a pulp. I have spun steel rods to 9500rpm and they held up fine, it was when I started to push masive horse power and spining up past 10k is when the bearings would start looking like shit. upto around 600-700whp I didn't have much problems with bearings, it was past 800whp I started to see them getting wiped out, never spun one, but it was chewing away at them.

Well said. I too am running the H-beam rods in my 2.3 build with the eagle crank. I'll be switching gears at 8500-8700rpm and will be making about 2-300HP less then you. Anyhow, thanks for taking the time here, it does help. And you are right, I dont remember the last time I saw a DSM on the street...they are falling off the face of the earth.

[evil~eagle]

Jake

Loved the video....just can't get enough of it! Your car is just FUCK'n SICK bro!!!!

Your hand brake lever, where in the hell did you pick that up. Do you have a brand or part number on that item. I've search all over JEGS and Summitt and all I can find is the hydrolic version of it, pretty much the old school push button line lock units. I'm looking to see some 8's from yah next season.....keep up the GOOD work.


Here you go man, you ask and you will recieve! http://cncbrakes.com/hsb.asp?grp=hsb&subgrp=all&series=412&subseries=

[evil~eagle]

awsome thread.
damn.

love the car more and more
I just wish I had the Time, and money would be nice to be able to compete with you.
I'm eventually going to make my car a track car only and bring it to the tens and work from there.

But between, Work and girlfriend and some time to my DSM, theres never enough time to think about pulling the motor and going all out on the son-of-a-betch

Soon, I will end up having it competing with you if you are still into it when I am more finacially stable.
Screw the Honda guys and Supra guys that run their mouth, they are just morons that are afraid they have an eclipse competeing with their $30K supra, or their completly gutted honda running as hard as it possibly can.

Once I get my dad to come around from V8s and actually start supporting my passion of DSMs, maybe he will end up helping me out like your is.
I envy that a ton.


I too live a life like you, and I know how it is man, it's tuff I know. I run my own bussiness, have g/f to tend to, family, ect ect. The best time I found to work on my car was late at night, like at 2am when nothing else was going on.
As far as my father, it's funny cause he doesn't even know where to even start on my car lol. He is learning from me now, kinda funny how that works out in the long run. He is there for support, I do all the work on my car, tune it, build it, and drive it. Needless to say it's cool to see my father impressed from what I have been able to do with the car.

[xtreme-gsx]

As far as my father, it's funny cause he doesn't even know where to even start on my car lol. He is learning from me now, kinda funny how that works out in the long run. He is there for support, I do all the work on my car, tune it, build it, and drive it. Needless to say it's cool to see my father impressed from what I have been able to do with the car.


Jake

Thanks for the link bro!

Ha that funny, I've been tinkering with cars for years and years now and my Pop's never came around until recently. He came by one weekend and watched me work on my project and was very impressed, last weekend he came by and taught me how to tig weld. I picked it up in about an hour and he said that I was a natural (he's been welding for about 20 so years now). Pops doesn’t know much about wrenching on the cars but just the though of him backing me and my project was enough for me. It's always good to have our pops behind us. Again keep up the hard work and we'll see yah in the 08 season!

[french_hustler]

The car is so damn sexy.
Like I said, I have a personal folder just with pictures and videos of all the updates you have given us. I'm not even sack-riding, the car is that hard.

Dude... I will try my hardest to come and see you if you ever hit Sacramento next season. I want to meet you and your dad, and the DSM of course.

Thank you for sharing things that others just won't, and I love it that your still a hardcore DSM fan who stays loyal to the game.

Keep it up.
As you can see, you have the support from all of us on the message board.

[pope]

To further go into more detail about the pressure releif in the head, the whole reason behind it was my car was laying over in 3rd and 4th gear, even though the logs looked great, a/f, timing, boost ect look great. Then after a hard pass I would shut the car down on the return road to throw my chute in the trunk, well when I went back to start the car again it would have a hard time restarting (kinda like no compression) untill the motor would cool down some. Alot of people have different opioins about it, but by puting the 1g stock lifters back in the car and using the JDM pressure releif in the head my car picked up 3-4mph and .2 tenths and didn't have anymore problems starting the car after a full pass. And the car would pull strong and clean upto 10,500rpm. While as before with the revised 2g lifters and just the 92 oil head valve (or whatever you wanna call them) the car would only want to spin upto about 9500rpm, anything past that it would die off.

With the revised lifters I think they would pump up way too much causeing the valves to hang open a bit, also the revised 2g lifters had a shorter throw then the 1g lifters did. So in other words my revised lifters would not compress as much as the 1g stock lifters would.

It's all hear say at this point about the pressure relief valve or a restrictor but in my case it did help alot. Not every car will have this problem though. It was all trial and error..

if you dont mind elaborate on the top end of your motor a little more. like what kind of springs/retainers? spinning the motor that high are you having any issues with the valves bouncing? things like that

[boostless05]

are you comming anywhere by oklahoma next year.. Texas maybe. we'll go a cheer for you( hell beer sounds good too) .. i 've been a fan of 91's for a while but now i got a 92 gotta love them. i broke the first gear fork in it but time to upgrade. shep tranny and twin disk..

[turbogrrrr]

Yeah Oklahoma needs a dsm kick in the butt. A shootout or huge meet somewhere.

[k1tty]

Sweet man, would love to see more DSM's at the BOTI events! also, we are really steping it up next season, so expect to see mid 8's out of the car for 2008;) :D

So far we have taken out 170lbs of useless crap that will not be going back into the car, and the fun just started:D
wow.. How much did you take out previously? Had you just left the majority of the weight still in for street safety?

[evil~eagle]

wow.. How much did you take out previously? Had you just left the majority of the weight still in for street safety?

I wanted to prove that I could do it with damn near everything still in the car, heater, CD player, carpet, front seats, door panels, power windows/locks ect. ect., the dash has never been out of the car just until acouple of weeks ago, plus I'm old school, I go with "fast with class." Most of everything was still in the car except the rear seats/panels. This season race weight it was 2950lbs. If I can get it down to 2650lbs with me in it, I will be one happy camper:D

[evil~eagle]

Just got my 90mm Q45 throttle body today, and tomorrow the new JMfab drag race version intake manifold will be here.

pics of this HUGE throttle body, 3.5" inlet!
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build029.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build030.jpg

Comparison to the stock throttle body.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build032.jpg


I will get pics of the intake manifold once I get it tomorrow, should have been here today but UPS once again screws up, bastards!

[partemisio]

Were you using the stock throttle body this whole time?

[evil~eagle]

Were you using the stock throttle body this whole time?

no no no no, I was using a 75mm mustang throttle body. I just had a stock TB laying around and put it up against the Q45 to show the comparison.

[partemisio]

I was going to say.

[evil~eagle]

The new hotness has just arrived!:banana: The new JMfabrications drag race version intake manifold! What a work of art! I feel I need to put this in a glass case and put it up in a museum haha.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build034.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build036.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build037.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build038.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build039.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build040.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build041.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build035.jpg

[Iceman21]

Nice Jake, from the looks of the welds you will need something short of a nuclear explosion to blow that thing apart.

[projecTSI]

I think work of art is an understatement!:eek:

[evil~eagle]

I can tell you guys one thing, the ONLY company doing my intake manifolds will be JMfabrications, my other intake from them I ran the snot out of it and it NEVER cracked a weld, and flowed like none other. I can't wait to see how this bad boy does on the car for the 2008 season. There welds are 110% top notch, the pics just don't do it justice. It looks even 10x's better in person.

You just can't beat the price on this intake, why spend damn near $1000 when you can have this badboy for half the price!!

HUGE thanks to JMfabrications for the support and the GREAT products!!

[URBANRCR]

Wow! :eek:

[URBANRCR]

Also Jake you have the oldest microwave ive ever seen lol.

[lg93awdgsxer]

That plenum is freakin enormous!!!!!

I have the old race version... How much bigger is the new plenum.....:banana:

[evil~eagle]

That plenum is freakin enormous!!!!!

I have the old race version... How much bigger is the new plenum.....:banana:

Tons bigger, thats all I can say at this point since I sold my other intake, so I can't put up any pics to compare the 2. But I assure you, it's much bigger!

[lasthope05]

The new JMF drag does look huge and nice but to me it resembles the AMS VSR intake. Perhaps a spin off?:D ..Haha Jim does do top notch work and is a really good guy. Went there a few times to get some things welded up and let me tell you his work was beautiful, was done really fast, and not to mention very cheap for the work he does!

We all know you will hit 8's next season. Kinda disappointed me a bit because I thought I was going to see some 8 sec passes the last two events.

[Die-Civic-Die]

Holy hell, That 1g TB looks tiny!

[KyleCim]

Jake, if you would could you please pm me with what the cost of that mani was? Thanks

BTW, I am loving what you do, you show the guys like me what can be done with these cars if you really focus and work hard.

[projecTSI]

Jake, if you would could you please pm me with what the cost of that mani was? Thanks

BTW, I am loving what you do, you show the guys like me what can be done with these cars if you really focus and work hard.

JMF has it on their site for $650 unpolished and without any options like nitrous bungs and such.

[KyleCim]

JMF has it on their site for $650 unpolished and without any options like nitrous bungs and such.

ahh ok thanks, guess i should have checked the site, I didnt think they had released it yet since I also saw it in the 91tsi thread.

[DSM_Zak]

Jake -
Wow, SEXY!
That thing has seriously made me want to get one. I'm actually looking at the street version. I don't think the race version would be good for a DD but I do want a JMFab SMIM.

I'm hoping next season if you go to seattle at all for a test n tune we can line up.
My idea is, you wont have it tuned enough and I may have a chance:Dlol

[10_seconds_2luv]

The thing that I love about this intake manifold is the round "end cap" that just may make the air flow that is not used.....a smoother path to a different needed cylinder :D .........very nice indeed :D

[ManInBlack]

I don't think anyone else has asked yet, but just what are the power goals this year?

[evil~eagle]

I don't think anyone else has asked yet, but just what are the power goals this year?

Not so much going after hp numbers really, the car doesn't see the dyno any more, it's pretty pointless when all it does is just light up the tires on the dyno. I'm mainly going for the ET and MPH. Goals for next season is to be consistently 8's and reliable as much as we were this season.

I think it's safe to say the car was over 1000whp mark this season with what it has ran and it being damn near 3000lbs.

My ET goal is to reset the DSM gasoline record witch was set by Bill Lowe with an 8.63 @164mph (he's gone 171mph but was unable to et it very well) So that's the goal for next season is to beat the 8.63 pass, and to back up my pro winnings from this 2007 season. Hopefully we can get 5-6 pro event wins next season.

With all the new things going on with the car and ALOT of weight coming out of it I think our goals are very achievable.

[evil~eagle]

Jake -
Wow, SEXY!
That thing has seriously made me want to get one. I'm actually looking at the street version. I don't think the race version would be good for a DD but I do want a JMFab SMIM.

I'm hoping next season if you go to seattle at all for a test n tune we can line up.
My idea is, you wont have it tuned enough and I may have a chance:Dlol


The race version did great on the street! That was the one I had previously to this new one. Quick spool, great mid range and incredible top end, I would just go for the race version, or unless your feeling frogy then get the drag race version like mine.

[BIG Ted]

Just got my 90mm Q45 throttle body today, and tomorrow the new JMfab drag race version intake manifold will be here.

pics of this HUGE throttle body, 3.5" inlet!
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build029.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build030.jpg

Comparison to the stock throttle body.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build032.jpg


I will get pics of the intake manifold once I get it tomorrow, should have been here today but UPS once again screws up, bastards!


Wrong time of the year to order through UPS, FedEx or DHL. :o 12 hour days FTL at UPS :mad:

[BIG Ted]

But that TB is FUGGIN HUUUGE!

[XTAGEX]

Gettin up there with shep man, shits crazy!! lookin good!

[91TSiGuy]

I have the old race version... How much bigger is the new plenum.....:banana:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h209/91TSiGuy/intake%20manifold%204/DSC00688.jpg
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h209/91TSiGuy/intake%20manifold%204/DSC00690.jpg

:cool:

[XTAGEX]

Damn!! that is a huge difference!

[pinder91]

Brent, do you have any flow numbers on that new mani? I've haven't seen any posted yet.

Jake, everything is looking awesome! What made you decide to replace the mustang tb with the q45? Was it really that much of a restriction for you, or did you brake it?

[91TSiGuy]

No numbers yet. We should have had some about a month ago, but the test vehicle that was going to do back-to-back runs, old race vs. new drag mani's, ended up running into a bottom end issue on his motor. I'll be giving a call to him on Monday to check on the latest news.

[evil~eagle]

Brent, do you have any flow numbers on that new mani? I've haven't seen any posted yet.

Jake, everything is looking awesome! What made you decide to replace the mustang tb with the q45? Was it really that much of a restriction for you, or did you brake it?

Never did break the mustang throttle body, I just like the Q45 better and it's much bigger, it should help some for top end. Everything at this point counts, either it be 1whp or 20whp, every last bit counts.

[awdwhip]

Not sure if you knew or not, but right before the bakersfield event I put a shep racing dog box in the car, man I love this thing, this transmission is by far the best thing next to bread and butter when it comes to DSM transmission.

As far as the crank, I still plan on using the stock OEM crank, thats what I ran this past season and the crank looked 110% perfect after all the hard passes, allthough we did put about 12-13 hours into the crank with lightening it ect. But untill I run into problems with the OEM stock crank, there is no reason to spend all the money for a eagle crank. Now on the strokers, yes I would do a eagle crank, but 2.0L's I stick with the OEM crank.

I did alot of testing with different styles of rods, and all the heavy steal rods the bearings would come out looking like shat!! Unless I backed off the power a TON!, last season when I was running high 9's and spining it up to 9krpm the bearings look great, but this season with about 300-400whp more it was a completely different game. and trying to keep the car off the rev limiter, well when your racing and you light up all 4 tires like the 4th of july, you tend to smack the rev limter pretty hard, and at 10k+rpm rev limiter it's not all that good on the bearings. But who is going to lift during a race?;) :D I sure as hell won't, I'm a die hard, unless there is a rod playing peak a boo and there is still paint on the side of the car, I'm staying in it!:banana:

Alot of people with cars at this level are scared to even tell anyone what there bearings look like after a dozen passes, I'm not scared to share with people what works and what doesn't. I know some people get pissed at me for sharing this kind of stuff, but I'm also tired of seeing all these DSM's breaking from people trying to learn it on there own, and after time people just give up and part there cars out. I'm trying to put a stop to that nonsence and help people out when I can cause DSM's are starting to fall of the face of the earth, now I can't just sit here on the net all day and night explaining how things work and why you should do this and that, but I will do my best. All I want to see is more and more DSM'ers like myself get out there and put DSM's back on the map and show people what these cars can do when built right and are in the right hands.:D


That right their my friend is why YOU are the man!

[Spyder1gdsm]

I'd love to see you make it down to Firebird or Speedworld down here. Good luck next season.

[TravisB]

how are you keeping your oil fitler on? Ive seen many many cases of them backing off the housings at around 8800 and up cause of the high oil pressure these engines run. Hell ive been in a car turning 9200 at the top of 3rd and one backed off talk about scary. luckily it didnt dump the whole oil system out and we got stopped safely.

[evil~eagle]

how are you keeping your oil fitler on? Ive seen many many cases of them backing off the housings at around 8800 and up cause of the high oil pressure these engines run. Hell ive been in a car turning 9200 at the top of 3rd and one backed off talk about scary. luckily it didnt dump the whole oil system out and we got stopped safely.


It's the sandwich style oil cooler that has that problem, I have a forward facing filter housing, and I have the oil pressure relief valve ported to bring the oil pressure back in check. I have never backed off a filter using the forward facing filter housing. On the sandwich style oil cooler housing I have had my fair share of filters backing off.

[evil~eagle]

I'd love to see you make it down to Firebird or Speedworld down here. Good luck next season.


If BOTI has the event there this upcoming 2008 season, we may just be there. It's not that bad of a trip there.

[BostinSwifty38]

I myself got rid of the sandwich cooler, and went with the older 90 style with the external oil cooler. works the same..no filters coming off.

-A. Swift

[XxRedDevilxX]

Hey what do you think the best pistons are? And what do you think the perfect compression is?

[XxRedDevilxX]

BTW I'm trying to build some what of a race motor thats why I'm asking.

[partemisio]

The perfect compression ratio is when you can cram as much boost into the cylinders as your turbo will allow on pump gas without any knock.

[b00stedtalon2]

I've seen most your videos from other forums and etc. Great build! Looking forward to new updates.

-Scott

[evil~eagle]

Hey what do you think the best pistons are? And what do you think the perfect compression is?

There is no "best piston" out there per say. Ross, wiseco, JE, CP ect are all great pistons. I had great luck with the ross pistons, the off the shelf ross pistons will get just about everybody where they need to be as far as reliability and strength. But once you go over that 850whp mark then you need stronger wrist pins and what not. I started to smash my pins a bit at the power level I am at now, (estimated 1000whp) So I plan on going with the wiseco 1400HD pistons this time around with the .225" steel wall pins. I don't think I will be bending those pins:P

As far as compression, it all depends on your setup and what you wanna do. Lower compression is always a better way to go for ease of tuning and what not, but higher compression has it's advantages as well, but not so tuner friendly and not as forgiving as lower compression . I typically run 8.5 compression and have had the best luck with it, now if and when I goto alcohol then I will go with a much higher compression.






The perfect compression ratio is when you can cram as much boost into the cylinders as your turbo will allow on pump gas without any knock.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[evil~eagle]

I've seen most your videos from other forums and etc. Great build! Looking forward to new updates.

-Scott

Thanks man, car is at the chassis shop right now getting some new stuff done with the cage;) Should be posting some pics up here very soon!

[16G_tsi_awd]

You want more boost, lower the compression. say hello to Venolia 6.7-1:banana:

[11secdsm]

You want more boost, lower the compression. say hello to Venolia 6.7-1:banana:

You mean like these? :D (from our shop car )

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f115/Crackagvr4/VenoliaPistons6-1.jpg

[evil~eagle]

You mean like these? :D (from our shop car )

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f115/Crackagvr4/VenoliaPistons6-1.jpg


Jesus christ those things look like ash trays on how deep the dish is:D I think I would have a hell of a time trying to get my car to start at the high elevations with a piston like that, we take the car to high tracks over here on the west coast. Utah is over 4000ft. And when it's 90+ degrees out the DA is over 9000ft. Would be interesting to see how well the car would fire up with those bad boys lol!

[16G_tsi_awd]

That is exactly the problem. My fix. Starting fluid!:D

[twisterad3]

HAHA! I get a tree:banana: I have posted on the boards every time we goto an event out of state, everyone says they will be there and when I show up, nobody shows (DSMers that is) so it's kinda sad in a way. But I will be posting everything we do next season, so everyone should know our racing schedule.
I showed up to battle of the imports at sacramento to watch you run! Just sayin'

[kiggly]

Have you run those venolia 6.7:1's yet? I wonder how bad detonation will be with those and if preignition will become an issue. I've never seen a height above the top ring as tall as that. A lot of your piston crown cooling happens by transferring heat through the rings. With that much distance, I wonder if the crown will run really hot and cause other issues.

Why did you go so extremely low on the compression anyway? C16 will tolerate reasonable timing numbers at over 9:1 compression and 40psi. Above here it seems to fall apart a little bit and a better fuel helps. I'm just curious what you goals were to try such an unconventional piston.

Kevin

[evil~eagle]

Have you run those venolia 6.7:1's yet? I wonder how bad detonation will be with those and if preignition will become an issue. I've never seen a height above the top ring as tall as that. A lot of your piston crown cooling happens by transferring heat through the rings. With that much distance, I wonder if the crown will run really hot and cause other issues.

Why did you go so extremely low on the compression anyway? C16 will tolerate reasonable timing numbers at over 9:1 compression and 40psi. Above here it seems to fall apart a little bit and a better fuel helps. I'm just curious what you goals were to try such an unconventional piston.

Kevin

Kevin I dunno if your asking me this or what, but I have never ran those pistons nor have ever seen them in person, I've been running the 8.3 ross pistons.

[11secdsm]

Have you run those venolia 6.7:1's yet? I wonder how bad detonation will be with those and if preignition will become an issue. I've never seen a height above the top ring as tall as that. A lot of your piston crown cooling happens by transferring heat through the rings. With that much distance, I wonder if the crown will run really hot and cause other issues.

Why did you go so extremely low on the compression anyway? C16 will tolerate reasonable timing numbers at over 9:1 compression and 40psi. Above here it seems to fall apart a little bit and a better fuel helps. I'm just curious what you goals were to try such an unconventional piston.

Kevin


Hey Kevin...honestly we never even got to finishing that build up as evidenced by the pic which was take recently. As to why...we just wanted to see what we could do by taking that approach. Low compression and very high boost (filled block). As for what they would have done...I couldn't even speculate. :P Who knows...maybe someday we'll get back on that project.

[evil~eagle]

Well here is some updates on the car, more and more parts are showing up every day. We are reworking the roll cage and having it go through the dash vs in front of the dash and tucking it up much higher towards the roof then before, so no more "tilt head racing for me", I will not be using the stock dash anymore. I ended up getting a pro stock fiberglass cobalt dash.

Sorry for the blurry pictures, not sure why the camera was acting up.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/DSC01838.jpg


Nicely tucked away
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/DSC01839.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/DSC01843.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/DSC01846.jpg


Prostock dash
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/DSC01844.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/DSC01845.jpg

And I am having a custom aluminum seat built to fit just me, beginning stages of the seat, once all done it will be upholstered black.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/DSC01847.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/DSC01848.jpg


I will try and get better photos here in the next few days. Dash is being fitted/trimmed/painted as we speak.

[kiggly]

Looking good Jake! That dash is actually a mid-90's grand am and cavalier too. I'm using the 2-pc version. I'm surprised they leave the seam lines in it where the 2-pc splits even on the 1-pc mold you have. You're adding a driver's side longitudinal floor bar from the front hoop to the main hoop too, right?

Kevin

[eagle claw]

A bunch of people say you were getting the car acid dipped? Is this true?

[projecTSI]

Man that cage really is tucked in nicely. And just curious, but how much did the Prostock dash cost you? I remember seeing one on a red 1g that was on ebay a while back, and it looked really good.

[91TSiGuy]

Looks like the camera had the flash set to off rather than auto, and was probably setting off a longer exposure / steady hand feature. My Kodak does that at least.

Is the motor in the car right now or out? Any pics of new parts installed? :)

[evil~eagle]

Looking good Jake! That dash is actually a mid-90's grand am and cavalier too. I'm using the 2-pc version. I'm surprised they leave the seam lines in it where the 2-pc splits even on the 1-pc mold you have. You're adding a driver's side longitudinal floor bar from the front hoop to the main hoop too, right?

Kevin

Thanks Kevin, yeah I think we are going to put that bar in (rocker panels bar) if thats what you are talking about, although we really don't need to since the cage is an 8.50 cage (8 point) So the idea is to keep weight down as much as possible, still need to talk to my chassis builder and see what his thoughts are. I never had a rocker panel bar from the front hoop to the main hoop before. So I'm not sure if we will put one in or not.

As far as the dash, yeah this one is a 2 piece as well, but it came as a one piece with the seam like that, I was stumped when I got it. It's all split up now and will be re glassed together since we had to shorten it a ton.

We are also building a ECU rack under the dash, dash bar still needs to go in but we are trying to get the dash fitted 1st before we put the dash bar in. Our biggest problem right now is fitting the dash with the stock door panels. But when we had it in there with the doors open, it looked like it was meant to be with the stock door panels. Since the door panels stick out about an 1" on both sides we have to shorten the dash even more on the ends of it.
Real pain in the ass, but it will be worth it when it's all done.

[evil~eagle]

A bunch of people say you were getting the car acid dipped? Is this true?


We were going to, but time and money is not on our side. So we decided against it for now.

Is the motor in the car right now or out? Any pics of new parts installed?


No, motor is not in the car right now, I've been cleaning the snot out of the engine bay and getting it ready to re paint the engine bay, building a new motor and still getting parts for the new motor build.

And just curious, but how much did the Prostock dash cost you? I remember seeing one on a red 1g that was on ebay a while back, and it looked really good.

Dash cost $270 but shipping was a bitch since the box was sooo huge! So it ended up being $380 shipped, still not too bad, but I cringe every time we cut and trim on it lol.

[partemisio]

Man that cage really is tucked in nicely. And just curious, but how much did the Prostock dash cost you? I remember seeing one on a red 1g that was on ebay a while back, and it looked really good.
I am also curios about this.

I am pretty sure you are talking about the dogbox racing car that was for sale.

[evil~eagle]

I am also curios about this.

I am pretty sure you are talking about the dogbox racing car that was for sale.


Bought mine from here https://secure1.securehosting.us/jerrybickel/prodlist.cfm?category=Wheel%20Tubs%20%26%20Dash%20Panels

[blue_gsx]

We were going to, but time and money is not on our side. So we decided against it for now.




No, motor is not in the car right now, I've been cleaning the snot out of the engine bay and getting it ready to re paint the engine bay, building a new motor and still getting parts for the new motor build.



Dash cost $270 but shipping was a bitch since the box was sooo huge! So it ended up being $380 shipped, still not too bad, but I cringe every time we cut and trim on it lol.


Those things never fit perfect.Everyone i seen that has one has to cut it to make it fit.

[evil~eagle]

Those things never fit perfect.Everyone i seen that has one has to cut it to make it fit.


Oh I knew we were going to have to cut and trim, that was a given, but trying to do it with the stock door panels is a bigger pain in the ass since the stock door panels contour the stock dash.

Just like building a damn boat in a bottle.:D

[blue_gsx]

I found some pics of a similar set-up from a local dsmer(not trying to jack your thread)

But that those dashes are pretty bad ass!


http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/boostingsx/DashInstall2Large.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/boostingsx/DashInstall1Large.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/boostingsx/IMG_0346.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/boostingsx/IMG_0345.jpg

[evil~eagle]

Some more pics of goodies.

Going with some bling for the 2008 season since polished pipes always look killer in a black engine bay, I had mild steal 3" I/C pipes powder coated in blue in the car this season and now I'm rebuilding the pipes in 3" polished aluminum to try and save every ounce I can. As they say, don't look for a pound, look for an ounce;)

3" polished aluminum pipes courtesy of JNZtuning.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build048.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build049.jpg


AEM boost control solenoid, going to be using this for traction purposes on the launch and through out 1st gear.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build050.jpg


And this is the crank that came out of my motor this season, and I plan on running it again for the 2008 season since it checked out perfect! Just need to have a quick polish job done. We have a ton of time put into this bad boy, ruffly 3.5lbs lighter then what it was stock and was balanced, I'm sure most of you that know what a stock 6bolt crank looks like will tell what we have done with this one, and yes it is a OEM stock 6bolt crank, just lighter;) .


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build051.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build052.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build053.jpg

[projecTSI]

I found some pics of a similar set-up from a local dsmer(not trying to jack your thread)

But that those dashes are pretty bad ass!


http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/boostingsx/DashInstall2Large.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/boostingsx/DashInstall1Large.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/boostingsx/IMG_0346.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e280/boostingsx/IMG_0345.jpg


Hey, that's Gary's car right? That thing is badass too.

[91TSiGuy]

That is is. Same pics on here: http://garychios.com/dsm.htm

[beaugt]

Bad ass him and evil eagle would be a close race.

[pinder91]

Everything is killer so far, Jake!

[kiggly]

Well, an AIM dash and a pro-stock fiberglass dash look pretty familiar to me :)

You need the driver's side longitudinal floor bar for a parachute, along with the dash bar. Its a weird rule because they don't put it in the roll cage section of the book. Its in the parachute section of the rules.

I LIKE what you did to that crank. That work increased the effective counterweight, which is good.

Kevin

[kiggly]

Here is mine.
http://kigglyracing.com/media/pics/interior.jpg

[blue_gsx]

Here is mine.
http://kigglyracing.com/media/pics/interior.jpg


Beautiful:eek: :eek:

[lasershred]

Hey when its all done, I guess I could trade you for my awesome laser!

[lg93awdgsxer]

Here is mine.
http://kigglyracing.com/media/pics/interior.jpg


I got to get me one of these dashes!!!! Kiggly your car looks awesome... Auto guys have all the fun!!!

How much this dash weigh??

Do you have site for the cluster???

[XxRedDevilxX]

There is no "best piston" out there per say. Ross, wiseco, JE, CP ect are all great pistons. I had great luck with the ross pistons, the off the shelf ross pistons will get just about everybody where they need to be as far as reliability and strength. But once you go over that 850whp mark then you need stronger wrist pins and what not. I started to smash my pins a bit at the power level I am at now, (estimated 1000whp) So I plan on going with the wiseco 1400HD pistons this time around with the .225" steel wall pins. I don't think I will be bending those pins:P

As far as compression, it all depends on your setup and what you wanna do. Lower compression is always a better way to go for ease of tuning and what not, but higher compression has it's advantages as well, but not so tuner friendly and not as forgiving as lower compression . I typically run 8.5 compression and have had the best luck with it, now if and when I goto alcohol then I will go with a much higher compression.







:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Thanks Ill try the ross pistons. A few friends and I have built a few hondas to go fast and we always go real high compression. I was going to do the same with this but people are telling me not to. I am thinking of just going 9.5 and seeing if it gets me where i want to be.

[BostinSwifty38]

I still can't decide if I'm a fan of the dash or not. IF shep can run a stock dash..that's enough for me. I like stock appearing cars, but I can see were weight is an issue..still..gut the dash, you'd be ok. Why the change?

-A. Swift

[evil~eagle]

I still can't decide if I'm a fan of the dash or not. IF shep can run a stock dash..that's enough for me. I like stock appearing cars, but I can see were weight is an issue..still..gut the dash, you'd be ok. Why the change?

-A. Swift


Personal preference my friend, personal preference;) I think you guys will really like what I am doing with the interior, it will still have the stock door panels, power windows, locks and carpet is being put in the car as well, still going for the "street car" look. Just wait till it's all done, I promise not to disappoint;)


You need the driver's side longitudinal floor bar for a parachute, along with the dash bar. Its a weird rule because they don't put it in the roll cage section of the book. Its in the parachute section of the rules.

I LIKE what you did to that crank. That work increased the effective counterweight, which is good.



Interesting about the chute bar Kevin. When I had the chassis certified they never said anything about it. weird, I will have to look further into that, thanks for the heads up!!

As far as the crank, that was exactly what our thoughts were when doing it. I think it turned out pretty good, kinda scary watching sparks flying everywhere and pieces of the crank being cut off though:eek:

[evil~eagle]

Ok to get back on topic, We got the dash all fitted today, so now it's time to re fiberglass the dash back together and do some smoothing on it and paint it, Amazingly the damn thing looks like it fits right in there with the stock door panels, when the doors are shut the contour of the door panels fit the dash PERFECTLY!! I was shocked to see this and extremely happy with how it's turning out.
The dash is removable by 2 simple large DZUS clips, so I can get the dash out of there in 2 minutes or less if need be to work on the ECU, MSD or whatever the case may be.
The gauge panel will be mounted on the steering column and the dash slips right over it and flushes up with the dash where the gauges would go. (kinda hard to explain but once it's all done I will post pictures of what I am talking about.)

Oh for people wanting to know how much this dash weighs, it's just barely over 2lbs if that. I can pick it up with one finger. Extremely light.

[rustynotch]

nice work, keep it up

[evil~eagle]

Few new pictures I took today at the chassis shop. Dash is fitted in, dash bar is in as well. looks ugly since we had to re fiberglass it back together, so now it's mostly cosmetic that I need to do on the dash, Fits like a dream though. And it's extremely easy to pull out.

We are working on the gauge panel now, should have most of it all done tomorrow then it's off back to our shop so I can wire, and plum the car and do all my cosmetic work I have planed.

The seat still needs some work done, but it's coming along very nicely as well.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008setup008.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008setup006.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008setup002.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008setup014.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008setup013.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008setup012.jpg

[partemisio]

That dash fits really nice. Keep up the good work Jake.

[blue_gsx]

That dash fits like it's oem,good job man.

[GoT 60']

looks good jake.. are you going to run center console

[evil~eagle]

looks good jake.. are you going to run center console


No plans as of yet to run the center console.

[GoT 60']

No plans as of yet to run the center console.

cool cool just wondering..

[BostinSwifty38]

I thought you had to mock up the motor and smim to make the ic pipes..or did you just do the same as your old pipes, but bigger?

-A. Swift

[evil~eagle]

I thought you had to mock up the motor and smim to make the ic pipes..or did you just do the same as your old pipes, but bigger?

-A. Swift


I haven't started on the motor yet, need to get it out of the chassis shop 1st. Motor build is coming very soon. Just waiting on more parts.

[BostinSwifty38]

so how did you make the ic pipes already, with nothing to mock to?

-A. Swift

[pinder91]

so how did you make the ic pipes already, with nothing to mock to?

-A. Swift

It doesn't look like he's welded them together yet. I'm assuming it is going to go together just like his old piping, so it's not hard to pick the right bends.

[evil~eagle]

so how did you make the ic pipes already, with nothing to mock to?

-A. Swift

I haven't made the pipes yet, hense why I said I haven't started on the motor yet. Not to mention the pipes will be exactly how it was before, just polished aluminum this time around, so mocking them up is not an issue at this point and the least of my concerns.;)

[evil~eagle]

Almost done at the chassis shop, car comes back home tomorrow and then I can start on carpeting the car, painting the cage, dash, ect. Should look tits when all done and said.

Got the gauge panel in today along with the ECU rack, the dash slips right over the gauge panel and the ecu rack hiding everything up underneath the dash.
Got the lexan front windshield in today as well, and 18lb saving:banana:

Also got the painless wiring switch panel mounted as well. Can't wait to get started on all the cosmetic stuff, should be posting some more pics here in the next week.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008setup015.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008setup016.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008setup020.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008setup021.jpg

[blue_gsx]

The car is looking more and more scary to ride in. Cant imagine how fast that thing is going to be. I'm also loving the guage bezel.

[projecTSI]

Man that dash and gauge setup looks awesome.

[eagle claw]

All of this weight savings and you still havent taken the tar off the firewall?

[evil~eagle]

All of this weight savings and you still havent taken the tar off the firewall?


Tar is off, your talking about the sound deadener, thats coming off too. Patience my friend, patience ;) :D

[beaugt]

Why such a huge e brake handle?

[evil~eagle]

Why such a huge e brake handle?

What are you talking about?:confused: There are 2 hand brakes there, one is the bone stock e-brake and the other is a hydraulic staging hand brake for launching the car (I use it to pre-load the drive train) I kept the stock e-brake in there for exactly it's purpose.

[blue_gsx]

Why such a huge e brake handle?


That's not the E-brake.

[beaugt]

Ok I see, when I seen the first pic it looked like it had two knobs onw on top of the other.

[b00stedtalon2]

Looks good, your interior and everything reminds me of mine. When you do your sound deadening, be sure to get some dry ice; it comes right off with that stuff. Although I'm sure you already knew that.

[eagle claw]

Tar is off, your talking about the sound deadener, thats coming off too. Patience my friend, patience ;) :D
:P

[11secdsm]

Looks like things are coming along very nicely Jake!! Keep it up brotha!

[evil~eagle]

Thanks guys! The car is finally back home from the chassis shop, prepped and painted the dash today along with the cage, turned out 10x's better then I thought it would, you guys are going to love how everything turns out! I think this is going to redefine "fast with class":)

I will post pictures up tomorrow night when I get back from our shop. I'm going to start carpeting the car tomorrow.

[tarantula]

Love your progress. It all quality and not rushed! You organize the setup progress really well.

[turbo_spyder]

Just wondering, what kind of axles and driveshaft are you using?

[evil~eagle]

Just wondering, what kind of axles and driveshaft are you using?


Been using the DSS 3.5"HD driveshaft mated with the shep upgraded t-case. The rear axles are the level 5 DSS axles. Front Axles are stock.

[1slow93turbo]

Hey Jake how are you receiving a vehicle speed for your aem 2 step input?

Thanks,

Jason

[greengoblin]

Man, the car looks good Jake. I'm glad I chose Dennis to build my cage too. Be by to see it when I get back from my holiday trip.
Again, it looks really,really good.:)

Kevin

[evil~eagle]

Hey Jake how are you receiving a vehicle speed for your aem 2 step input?

Thanks,

Jason

I don't use the AEM 2step, I use the MSD DIS2 for the 2step, it's much quicker and keeps the rpm close together between spurts. Unlike the AEM it's too slow and jumps from 100-300rpm. The MSD keeps it within 50rpm.

But for using vehicle speed such as my boost control and such I will be using a 2g electric speed sensor. No cable required for the 2g speed sensor and it's pretty simple to wire in to the AEM.

[evil~eagle]

Man, the car looks good Jake. I'm glad I chose Dennis to build my cage too. Be by to see it when I get back from my holiday trip.
Again, it looks really,really good.:)

Kevin

Thanks Kevin! I wouldn't let anyone else do my cage work but Dennis at blackstone racing. He is a stand up guy. You will be extremely happy with his work.

Call me when you get back into town and you can swing by the shop and check the car out. It looks ALOT better now then it did 2 days ago:banana:

[BostinSwifty38]

Jake, how did you set the 2-step up for the dis 2? I've got a dis 4, but no manual..

-A. Swift

[greengoblin]

Jake, how did you set the 2-step up for the dis 2? I've got a dis 4, but no manual..

-A. Swift

You can get the manual off the MSD website.
Here:
http://www.msdignition.com/1download.htm

[1slow93turbo]

Thanks for the response Jake keep up the good work!!

[evil~eagle]

Been working on the car today and got most of the carpeting done. Dash is done, cage is done, lexan windshield is in, painted cage is done, now I just need to do some more final touch ups on the carpet then I will start wiring the car. Then it's onto the fun part, the motor:D

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008setup026.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008setup032.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008setup035.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008setup037.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008setup031.jpg



:banana: :banana: :banana:

[partemisio]

Nice job Jake. You are getting it done pretty fast.

[URBANRCR]

Nice!

[blue_gsx]

Is that a new carpet?

[evil~eagle]

Is that a new carpet?

Yup, brand new carpet I bought today, 12 feet and it only weighed in at 1.7lbs!!:D Very thin stuff.

[blue_gsx]

Yup, brand new carpet I bought today, 12 feet and it only weighed in at 1.7lbs!!:D Very thin stuff.


Where did you buy it from? looks real nice man!

[french_hustler]

Was it already molded?

[evil~eagle]

Where did you buy it from? looks real nice man!


Just a local fabric store here. $40 for 12 ft. And I need more to finish the back end of the car (hatch area)

[evil~eagle]

Was it already molded?


Nope, just got a huge roll of it and did it all myself, spray adhesive and some stretching and some patience;)

[lg93awdgsxer]

Nice job Jake. You are getting it done pretty fast.

Less than 120 days till showtime.... You are making good time though!!

Carpeting and interior look awesome dude!!

Where did you get the windshield from..... I'm gettin a dash for sure.... Might do the windshield at the same time....Should be easier for the dash with the windshield out....

[evil~eagle]

Less than 120 days till showtime.... You are making good time though!!

Carpeting and interior look awesome dude!!

Where did you get the windshield from..... I'm gettin a dash for sure.... Might do the windshield at the same time....Should be easier for the dash with the windshield out....


we made our own windshield out of lexan, we can get 8'x6' sheets of the stuff, not cheap though.

[lg93awdgsxer]

Here's the Lexan i found...

Lexan Exell D - Polycarbonate Sheet
Lexan Exell D sheet is a transparent polycarbonate with proprietary UV protection, offering excellent weathering resistance, impact resistance and formability for skylights, covered walkways, roof lights, roof domes and barrel vaults. Lexan Exell D can safely be used outside and will not yellow from exposure to UV light.

Available colours:
Clear & Bronze

Available to buy in:
Full Sheet & cut to size pieces: 0.75mm to 12mm thick



Is this not the right stuff, or maybe your not sure..... This is fairly cheap...

[evil~eagle]

Here's the Lexan i found...

Lexan Exell D - Polycarbonate Sheet
Lexan Exell D sheet is a transparent polycarbonate with proprietary UV protection, offering excellent weathering resistance, impact resistance and formability for skylights, covered walkways, roof lights, roof domes and barrel vaults. Lexan Exell D can safely be used outside and will not yellow from exposure to UV light.

Available colours:
Clear & Bronze

Available to buy in:
Full Sheet & cut to size pieces: 0.75mm to 12mm thick



Is this not the right stuff, or maybe your not sure..... This is fairly cheap...


I can't remember what it was, I will have to look at the stuff tomorrow when I go back down to our shop. It was like $270 a sheet if I remember, and the windshield damn near takes up all of it once it's all cut out, the left overs are really nothing that are usable.

[lg93awdgsxer]

This stuff is....75mm thick.. 2050mm x 1250 mm....Which is like ~~47" x 70" roughly?( i could be off slightly on that) .... And its 23 pounds.... British pounds..... Thats around $46...

Maybe shipping is a killer... I'll do some more investigating...


Alot of good pics from you that offer alot of usable info...... Props!!

[blue_gsx]

You sprayed the adhesive on the bare metal of the floor? or did you use some type of padding underneath?

I'm really thinking of doing this to my trunk area and back seats. I'm going to look for a grey color.

Thanks for the info man.

[evil~eagle]

You sprayed the adhesive on the bare metal of the floor? or did you use some type of padding underneath?

I'm really thinking of doing this to my trunk area and back seats. I'm going to look for a grey color.

Thanks for the info man.

I just cleaned the snot out of the floor and sprayed it, I didn't want to layer padding in there to keep weight down to a minimum.

[91TSiGuy]

Looking really really clean. But you gotta paint those door jams. :P

[evil~eagle]

Looking really really clean. But you gotta paint those door jams. :P

Thanks man, and yeah I know, like I said, still need to do some touch ups on it, it's far from done!:P

[11secdsm]

Damn you work fast!!! :) Amazing how clean everything is turning out!

[k1tty]

Does your car have a red tint in the paint? It almost looks black cherry in the one pic.

Interior looks really nice other then the ratty steering wheel.. lol

[evil~eagle]

Does your car have a red tint in the paint? It almost looks black cherry in the one pic.

Interior looks really nice other then the ratty steering wheel.. lol

No red tint, might have been the lighting, and about the steering wheel, it's just dirty from all the fab work around the car. Lets not get too picky here, like I said, it's far from done!;) And I'm not going for a "show car" it's a race car lol. Most race cars don't look like this.

[beaugt]

What is bar for in the middle of the windshield?

[evil~eagle]

What is bar for in the middle of the windshield?

It's a lexan windshield, so at high speeds the bar keeps it from buckling, without it, it will cave in at high speeds.

[greengoblin]

That switch panel is NICE!!

[Chadillac2000]

Awesome build so far man, can't wait til i'm as far along as you.

[pinder91]

You going to cover the door panel bottoms in the same carpet so it all matches?

[evil~eagle]

You going to cover the door panel bottoms in the same carpet so it all matches?

I think I'm going to leave those the way they are since my aluminum seat is being upholstered as we speak in a dark grey, So I think it will offset it nicely. If not then I am going to change it to black like the carpet.

[1990 Dsm Gsx]

I think the only thing we have in common is the Evo Shift Knob. :D


Looking Good Jake. Keep up the good work, and when you come out to cali for next season, I'll be there hopefully.

[kiggly]

Wow Jake, the interior turned out really nice! I didn't realize the dash would fit in that nice with the OEM door panels.

Kevin

[evil~eagle]

Wow Jake, the interior turned out really nice! I didn't realize the dash would fit in that nice with the OEM door panels.

Kevin

Thanks Kevin, I thought it turned out pretty nice with the stock door panels, but man what a pain in the ass! Had to cut the dash in 3 spots and shorten it down some for the door panels to clear the ends of the dash. I think we have over 20 hours into the dash alone cutting and fitting it then re glassing it back together ugh:wall:

[french_hustler]

I was thinking... You changed the whole interior, besides the steering wheel. Ever going to swap that out?

[evil~eagle]

I was thinking... You changed the whole interior, besides the steering wheel. Ever going to swap that out?

I'm not sure yet, right now the steering wheel fits around the gauges just right, if I end up going to a smaller steering wheel it will be right in the line of sight of the gauges. It's a toss up right now.

[greengoblin]

With the all the work you have done to the interior and how nice it looks I think a new steering wheels is in order. If a smaller one would block the gauges I'd just get one that is close to the same diameter as your stock one.
Just my opinion. I really think it would complete the package though.

If you want me to powder coat that shifter base for you just let me know too.

Kevin

[1slow93turbo]

Jake what flywheel bolts did you use on the QM?

Thanks

BTW car is looking good.

[badas93tsi]

Im guessing its not gonna so much of a DD anymore? Either way, its an awesome car. Do you control your n2o with AEM? Im trying to wire mine up and cant find any pinouts to tell me how to do it.

[evil~eagle]

Jake what flywheel bolts did you use on the QM?

Thanks

BTW car is looking good.

I used 2g 7 bolt flywheel bolts. They are a bit shorter then the 6bolt ones.

[evil~eagle]

Im guessing its not gonna so much of a DD anymore? Either way, its an awesome car. Do you control your n2o with AEM? Im trying to wire mine up and cant find any pinouts to tell me how to do it.



I still drive it 2-3 times a week for shit's and giggles. But I don't drive it like I used to.

As far as the AEM nitrous control, it's easy. You need 1 available switched ground input and 1 available switched ground output.

The diagram is in the AEM pro user guide PDF. page #156

[badas93tsi]

I still drive it 2-3 times a week for shit's and giggles. But I don't drive it like I used to.

As far as the AEM nitrous control, it's easy. You need 1 available switched ground input and 1 available switched ground output.

The diagram is in the AEM pro user guide PDF. page #156


Thanks Jake, full of useful info as always.

[10_seconds_2luv]

I still drive it 2-3 times a week for shit's and giggles. But I don't drive it like I used to.

As far as the AEM nitrous control, it's easy. You need 1 available switched ground input and 1 available switched ground output.

The diagram is in the AEM pro user guide PDF. page #156 Have you ever got pulled over in this car on the street? If yes, what did the cops say about the car? Just curious :D

[evil~eagle]

Have you ever got pulled over in this car on the street? If yes, what did the cops say about the car? Just curious :D


To my very surprise I have yet to be pulled over. I have passed a few cops and the look on there face is priceless, honestly I don't think they even know what to think of it. They see the chute on the back and 4 hoosiers and have this funny look on there faces lol. Now that I have said that I'm sure I'm going to get pulled over now LOL. I doubt I will be driving it much on the street when it's all done, with a lexan front windsheild, no speedo, fiberglass dash ect. I don't wanna risk it.
I will however goto my "testing road" to do some tuning pulls thats only 2 miles away from my house like I always do. It's pretty funny pulling into the gas station, I never can get out of the gas station from people always asking questions about the car. It's cool at times, but after awhile some people get on my nerves with the idiotic questions I get.:rolleyes:

[wishihadatalon]

To my very surprise I have yet to be pulled over. I have passed a few cops and the look on there face is priceless, honestly I don't think they even know what to think of it. They see the chute on the back and 4 hoosiers and have this funny look on there faces lol. Now that I have said that I'm sure I'm going to get pulled over now LOL. I doubt I will be driving it much on the street when it's all done, with a lexan front windsheild, no speedo, fiberglass dash ect. I don't wanna risk it.
I will however goto my "testing road" to do some tuning pulls thats only 2 miles away from my house like I always do. It's pretty funny pulling into the gas station, I never can get out of the gas station from people always asking questions about the car. It's cool at times, but after awhile some people get on my nerves with the idiotic questions I get.:rolleyes:
Where is the other half of your motor? :D

[badas93tsi]

Those AEM wiring schematics for the nitrous are screwy. Its showing something totally different from the NX instructions. If you get some time(ha) could you send me a pm explaining how you did it? I want to use the AEM as a window switch, but still have the wot micro switch.

[Revolution]

Jake the car is looking killer can't wait to see you break the 8 second barrier this year. Couple of questions? How thick was that Lexan you used? Are you NLTS that dogbox? If so what are you using to unload the tranny? (aem 2 step, msd etc..) Also are you 1/2 hard blocking or full, and I'm guessing if full that well be the end of any street driving?

[The_EE]

It's pretty funny pulling into the gas station, I never can get out of the gas station from people always asking questions about the car. It's cool at times, but after awhile some people get on my nerves with the idiotic questions I get.:rolleyes:

Does your car have a blow off valve?

Can you make it do that Psssh sound whenever you want?

My, thats a big shiny radiator!

[evil~eagle]

Jake the car is looking killer can't wait to see you break the 8 second barrier this year. Couple of questions? How thick was that Lexan you used? Are you NLTS that dogbox? If so what are you using to unload the tranny? (aem 2 step, msd etc..) Also are you 1/2 hard blocking or full, and I'm guessing if full that well be the end of any street driving?


Lexan is 1/8th" thick. As far as the dogbox, I haven't been able to mess around with it much, we put it in at the end of the season for the last event of the year, so I only have 5 passes on it. I was lifting on the shifts, but the more I get used to it I'm sure I will set it up as NLTS.

I think we are going to go with another full wet block, I don't think I need to fill the block at this point. I figured out why the block cracked on me, it was due to too much pin flex and forcing the piston to the side of the wall with the off the shelf ross pistons. I was pushing the limits of those pistons so I am going with the wiesco 1400hd pistons with the larger pins this time around.

[Revolution]

Thanks Jake!

[1slow93turbo]

I used 2g 7 bolt flywheel bolts. They are a bit shorter then the 6bolt ones.

Thanks for the response Jake... did you or do you think switching over to a 7 bolt style rod utilizing a larger .866 pin instead of the .827 is necessary even in the tool steel? I was thinking about ordering 7 bolt rods this go round just for the larger pin diameter. Thanks in advance for you input.

Jason

[evil~eagle]

Thanks for the response Jake... did you or do you think switching over to a 7 bolt style rod utilizing a larger .866 pin instead of the .827 is necessary even in the tool steel? I was thinking about ordering 7 bolt rods this go round just for the larger pin diameter. Thanks in advance for you input.

Jason


You don't need to order 7bolt rods, simply have the the small end of the 6bolt rods machined to fit a 22mm pin. Or even the bigger pins that some have been running lately 23mm:eek:

It really all depends on what power level you plan on being at. anything over 700whp I would highly recommend 22mm+ pins. Although I did run mid to low 9's on the 21mm pins, but towards the end of the season as I was making more power, I started to get some pin flex going on, in result some bent pins in the long run.

[1slow93turbo]

Okay just wanted your opinion. I should have around 800 crank hp by february and currently have around 600 hp now on this motor but next year I should have around 950 crank. I tend to overdue things but thats only because I have a 34-3500# car and drive it alot on the weekends when weather permits.

Thanks again

[dsm614]

Loving the build, keep post pics!

Ill get a thread up eventually with my car, but it's a quest.

[Revolution]

Jakes build almost made me rename my build!:eek: I don't want to say GT42R Killer around him to loud!:D

[hand1222000]

Damn that dash is clean as hell along with the interior.

[dsm614]

Lexan is 1/8th" thick.
Did you see the NHRA rules state that you need a 3/16 lexan front windshield?

Thats where I'm at in my project right now.

[evil~eagle]

Did you see the NHRA rules state that you need a 3/16 lexan front windshield?

Thats where I'm at in my project right now.


I would have to ask my chassis builder again what thickness he used, I could have sworn he used 1/8th" thick lexan, I could be wrong though. He goes by everything in the rule book, so I'm sure I could be wrong.

[dsm614]

I hate that fricken rule book, but thats just me! haha.

[evil~eagle]

Thought I would update this thread alittle bit. Just getting all the parts gathered together then the motor build will start, just need to order pistons then off the block goes to the machine shop to get bored and honed.

In the meantime some parts are making it's way to me. My turbo made it back home today from Forced Performance after a nice freshen up job they did for me:D So the turbo is ready to rock and roll once again.

The car on the other hand I have been rewiring the entire car using painless wiring. The entire car is going to be controlled by a painless wiring switch panel. Man wiring takes along time, but it's coming along very nicely. I hope to have the car back up and running by march. Our track opens up here on March 31st. so that is the goal so we can get it out there and start our testing.

Just a few of pictures of my collection lol.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build001-1.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build002-1.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build003-1.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/evil_eagle/2008build004.jpg

Stay tuned!

[k1tty]

Nice Loony Toon pillow :)

[french_hustler]

Dude has a bed for his parts.

[evil~eagle]

Dude has a bed for his parts.


HAHA! thats our spare room, the bed is mostly there for "looks" I've pretty much turned into my "clean new parts room" haha!


Nice Loony Toon pillow


Hey! Don't dog the loony tunes!!;)

[TSimage]

How boutcha sell me one of those heads... :P

No seriously. Don't be greedy... Hahaha.

[Die-Civic-Die]

That's some serious hardware

[Sbstar]

I wish my spare room looked like that and I do have parts strewn out in there. Just not parts like those!

[greengoblin]

Wiring FTL. I'm doing some of that now. It's really not bad but very, very time consuming for sure. Last night I did some and thought I'd been at it for a hour or so and looked up to see it had been three. It certainly makes time fly. Looking good Jake. That sure is a lot of heads.

[Revolution]

What head are you running this year?

[evil~eagle]

What head are you running this year?

Same head that I ran last season, those other heads you see in the pic are just spare heads that I have had.

[GotARed]

Hey Jake, did you ever check those aluminum rods to see if they where in spec?
I picked up a set and was curious to see how they looked after a season of 9 second passes. I remember earlier looking at the bearings and they where great. Now how did the rods hold up?