4g6fiero's quest for greatness and kidney failure due to excessive consumption of Dew

[4g64fiero]

I thought I'd share my Saturday morning with you guys.

Right now I got every wire out of the engine bay, doing a wire tuck, and by wire tuck I mean I dont any wire to be visible when you pop the hood. :D I'm also doing this because I plan on putting a stand alone in and I need to know what wires go where due to the fact I wont be using a maf and other modifications. Ofcourse, this car will be street legal in the loosest sense of the word. It wont have a a heater or ac in the future. It doesnt have one now, so thats convenient.

Also gonna put an awd setup in since I'm gonna replace the fuel tank with a fuel cell anyways. Heres where I'm at now. Ive been waiting a long time to have my own garage and money to spend on my dsm. This is a dream come true for me.http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/c027.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/c028.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/c029.jpg

[4g64fiero]

Heres where I got to today:
Wired up the fuel injectors/throttle position sensor/knock sensor/crank position sensor/camshaft position sensor/front o2 sensor/coilpack/transistor/starter/starter solenoid.

I drilled a new 1 1/2 inch hole through the firewall to run the wires through. The hole is right above the k member so you cant see the wires.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/c043.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/c042.jpg

[silver bullit]

Lookin good but id enjoy better pics...

Nice build though.

[4g64fiero]

Heres a better pic of where I'm running the power and sensor wires for the engine. The transmission wires will be ran through the fender and under the frame so you cant see them either.http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/c047.jpg

Close look:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/c046.jpg

My coil pack relocation bracket:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/c048.jpg

Today I got around to connnecting the rest of the sensors such as the iacv and such. I'll try to get the rest of the wiring done in the engine bay including the tranny sensors/solenoids and such today. Then all i'll have left is to wire up the ecm and relays in the cab.

[Got Insulin?]

That's goinna be so sweet. Good Luck on that, man.

[4g64fiero]

That's goinna be so sweet. Good Luck on that, man.
Lookin good but id enjoy better pics...

Nice build though.

Thanks for the compliments!

Finally settled on a standalone for my project! I just ordered a MegaSquirt II ECU kit v3.0 (http://www.glensgarage.com/catalog/megasquirt-ii-ecu-kit-v30-p-31.html). I'm pretty excited for it to get here.

[123abc]

Good to see you go the different route with MS.

[b00stedtalon2]

You'll like the MS. I have it as well.

[4g64fiero]

You'll like the MS. I have it as well.
Its an AMAZING value.
You can control boost electronically with a 15 $ solenoid and program what boost you want to run at certain conditions, run 8 injectors for streetability, use speed density and individual fuel injection is in the works as well as a non wasted spark system. Oh, if you dont like something about, theres enough info out there to change it. You can borrow schematics people have used for other setups theyve created.

I'm sure I will!:D

[fatalshock]

MS is the shizzle. I just wish I was a better tuner. I really wouldn't know what to do with it, but every one of my customers that has had it says it is by far better than most standalones ten times more $. Congrats man. It's coming along.

PS: PM me some recent pics of the fiero. Hows that puppy coming along? You done yet?

[4g64fiero]

MS is the shizzle. I just wish I was a better tuner. I really wouldn't know what to do with it, but every one of my customers that has had it says it is by far better than most standalones ten times more $. Congrats man. It's coming along.

PS: PM me some recent pics of the fiero. Hows that puppy coming along? You done yet?
I went into the military and my fiero got towed while I was in basic.:mad:

But I finishied the wire tuck!

I put the old setup in, I know its ugly, but my s472 isnt here yet.:D
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/prototypeenginebay.jpg

[fatalshock]

Awe, that blows. Couldn't have gotten it back?

Wire tuck looks sick. I must say, your coming along nicely.

[4g64fiero]

Awe, that blows. Couldn't have gotten it back?

Wire tuck looks sick. I must say, your coming along nicely.

Fieros are a dime a dozen in south dakota, I didnt realize they would be so rare here in FL. I love this state, though. I love living 50 feet from the beach. Kinda a dream come true.
And thanks on the compliment!


Its gonna get shaved ASAP. All holes in the firewall are getting welded shut now that I know which ones I need. Then the engine bay will get painted. I'm not sure what color, I'll prolly go with black. Sound good?

[4g64fiero]

Heres (http://www.dieseldistributorsusa.com/Borg-Warner-S400-p/s400.htm) the turbo I bought for it.

[fatalshock]

Huh. So what made you go with that snail? I'm really not familiar with that turbo at all.

[4g64fiero]

Huh. So what made you go with that snail? I'm really not familiar with that turbo at all.
I wanted a turbo I could rebuild, plus it spools like a ball bearing gt42r of a similiar trim and a/r and flows more. I think I can deal with that!:D

[4g64fiero]

I finally got done with all that wiring mess. I'm gonna start the car today and make sure everything is still good. After that I'll assemble the mega squirt.
Anyways, time for pics of my cat! She is always in the garage and she meows repeatedly if I leave the garage until I come back.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/c057.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/c058.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/c059.jpg

[Seanaynay25]

That set up with a stock i/c? :(

[4g64fiero]

That set up with a stock i/c? :(
Hah yeah, thats um, just there because I'm waiting on parts.

Lookin at air to water intercoolers right now. I just want this car to be as fast a possible and still be a sleeper.

[4g64fiero]

Man the wiring is really kicking my ass.

The mpi relay gets 12v from the ecu for the fuel pump and injectors but there is no power output from the mpi relay for the fuel pump or the sensors/injectors it powers. I'm pretty sure theres a short somewhere. The schematics I have from mitchells on demand software have been proven wrong a few times.

I've spent about 50 man hours trying to sort this all out.

[4g64fiero]

She runs!11zorzzzzzz111!!!!:D :beer:

Now I have to get her running right, lol.

[turbolover]

Looks clean! My cat always keeps me company when I'm working on my car too lol...

[4g64fiero]

AHEMhttp://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/c.jpg

As you were!:D

[Jk's97DSM]

Borg's answer to the GT42 nice! I gotta come down and meet you after I get off of cruise again.

[ManInBlack]

Borg? Resistance is futile?

[4g64fiero]

Borg? Resistance is futile?
Borg warner schwitzer s476 extended tip t6 with twin scroll.:cool:

[16G_tsi_awd]

How fast are you gonna spin it?

[4g64fiero]

How fast are you gonna spin it?
I guessing somewhere around5k. I'd like a power band from 5k to 10k so I can stay out of boost on the street and run a lean burn tune. Some might say"jesus rice thats alotta lag" but, I drove my car without the turbo on it around for a couple months. I sorta got used to it. For the strip I'm running a high stall converter and a two step or similiar system.

[Got Insulin?]

Couple of sorta newb quickies:
1) How hard is the MS to use (assuming you've used it before), and what exactly has to be installed in the car to use it?
2) I kinda get the gist of T3/T4 setups.....What's T6, or was that a typo? If not, is there a T5 and so on? Or is that diesel specific seeing as you're using the Borg?

Thanks man.

[4g64fiero]

Couple of sorta newb quickies:
1) How hard is the MS to use (assuming you've used it before), and what exactly has to be installed in the car to use it?
2) I kinda get the gist of T3/T4 setups.....What's T6, or was that a typo? If not, is there a T5 and so on? Or is that diesel specific seeing as you're using the Borg?

Thanks man.
1)Ms is easy to use, its just the initial process of getting it to work on our cars that can be a pain. As far as I can tell its best to buy the unassembled version because there are things that have to be left out in order to use some of the features of the stock ignition system.

Also, you have to mod the board to use a 1g cas, and that is the only cas mega squirt will work with as far as dsms go that I'm aware of. This means if your a 2g guy, that you need to use a 1g cas. All the instructions to get ms running on the car(dsm) are on the internet and easily sourced. I believe you will have to change the water temp sensor and air intake sensor for gm units. Both of those together shouldnt cost more than 20$.

2)Imagine two t25 flanges side by side-thats a T6.

[Got Insulin?]

That's cool. Thanks for the info!

[4g64fiero]

Well I got the megasquirt assembled and functioning properly, time to put it on the car. I already have the old ecu out and the wires sorted so it shouldnt be too hard.

I also have a set of eagle rods and wiseco pistons on the way. Theyre used but theyll work until I get my pauter rods and heavy duty wisecos or mahles (big differance between the two, I know) I wanted.

Hopefully I can get the car running well enough to get down to the local dyno and get some baseline runs with the t25 so I can see what state of health everything is in on the stock configuration(minus bolt ons). Then I will pull the engine to rebuild it and the A/T FWD tranny.

This is all about budget. I chose the A/T FWD simply because they are 300usd a piece at most. They are also very consistant with shifting and can be built strong enough for what I need for cheap. No worrying about a 900usd clutch that is required for the power I am after.

Lets add up what I've spent so far:
100 usd evo 3 intake manifold
200 usd tubular exhaust manifold I got from nomiezvr4-??? I dont remember it was part of a package deal, I'd say 200 usd?
300 usd ms2 v3.0 pcb -300usd with everything assembled and installed
17 usd 1g n/t throttle body
80 usd hard intercooler pipes
200 usd 880cc injectors
14 usd 1g steering wheel
669 usd bw s476
100usd on a set of 3 forged pistons and rods lol
~1800usd so far with no extra hp to show for it.:mad:

But I'm getting there.

[Red1991TSI]

I'm gonna dump a bucket full of beach sand in your tank! ;)

Keep going with the build up. I can't wait to hear when she's running.

[hawaiifiveoh]

So this is staying FWD?

[4g64fiero]

So this is staying FWD?
Meh for now due to the fact I know I will destroy things if I buy an awd setup. I want to learn by breaking relatively inexpensive parts. Stock a/t trannys are 1/3 the price of awd manual trannys. When I am comfortable with my skill of handling a 900hp car I will upgrade to the faster awd setup. Ofcourse I will probably end up buying an lsd for the fwd setup, but that is because I know I can use it in the awd tranny as well AFAIK hopefully.

[lasthope05]

congratulations, nobody knows that you have wires now.

[4g64fiero]

congratulations, nobody knows that you have wires now.
I'm not sure if your hating, thats sort of a general statement. Doesnt really contribute much unless you meant it in a positive manner, in which case, I say thank you!:really:

[rpc91GSX]

Very nice!! I'm jealous!! :D :D So what are aims as far as horsepower and times going to be?

[4g64fiero]

Very nice!! I'm jealous!! :D :D So what are aims as far as horsepower and times going to be?
Mid 9's/800hp+. I've actually sourced alot of the parts I need already for under 2k:rockon:

[4g64fiero]

Well my car came stock with a sunroof.

I dont want a sunroof.

Goodbye, sunroof. Goodbye.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/carpart006.jpg


I also polished the shit out of my stock lights and painted the inside of them black. They look pretty good. I will make home made angel eyes next weekend for them.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/carpart007.jpg

[lovefordsms]

How did you take the head light apart.

[4g64fiero]

How did you take the head light apart.
Like it fucking owed me money. I was drunk, getting wasted and working on my car. It was pretty friggin fun. Thats the only way I had the patience to deal with the stubborn ass glue.

You take all the clips off, then you can slowly pry with a chisel or flat head all the way around the headlight till it comes off.

[Red1991TSI]

Next time you need to do it. It helps to stick them in a warm oven.

[4g64fiero]

Next time you need to do it. It helps to stick them in a warm oven.
I guess I'll take them to the beach tomorrow?

Think thatll help?

[Red1991TSI]

Oh, you're just cruel!

[Loner]

Wow your car is looking nice, that snail is just huge. How come you got rid of your sunroof?

[4g64fiero]

Wow your car is looking nice, that snail is just huge. How come you got rid of your sunroof?
Weight. Also trying to make the car look as base model as possible. I believe most turbo 2g's came with sunroof. I always look at the little details like that. I want to be able to trick everyone into thinking the car is a gs. I wont put a gs sticker on it though, I'm trying to keep it cleeeeean.

[Loner]

Well if you want it to look like a GS, how about we switch cars.lol

[4g64fiero]

Well if you want it to look like a GS, how about we switch cars.lol
Trust me I thought about it. I had to reweld the mounts on my tiburon and it only took an evening. It would be effortless for me to switch a 4g63 into a gs or rs chassis. RS and GS chassis' are cheep as hell for clean rollers.

[Loner]

Damn sounds like someone gots some serious welding skills.

[4g64fiero]

Damn sounds like someone gots some serious welding skills.
I bout a 350$ mig welder from harbor freight and bought a book on how to weld and read it. I've been practicing for a couple months but not alot. Its not hard to pickup. Just takes practice and you have to match alloys to the wire and gases you use. You also have to pay attention to how hot your weld is getting. A good welding book should explain those things.

[destroydsm]

You got a gas welder for 350$.??? How dose it weld compared to a lincoln, or miller.

I Have a Lincoln flux core welded. Flux core suck balls. lol. And am looking for a cheap but good gas welder to finish my cage.

[4g64fiero]

You got a gas welder for 350$.??? How dose it weld compared to a lincoln, or miller.

I Have a Lincoln flux core welded. Flux core suck balls. lol. And am looking for a cheap but good gas welder to finish my cage.
It didnt come with the cylinders or regulators. I'd say its as every bit capable as the licoln and miller welders but it has no warranty and I dont foresee parts being easy to come by. Its incredibly powerful, I have to set it to its lowest setting to weld 22 gauge sheet metal. Even then I have to be careful. On its highest setting, it will weld through 1/2 inch iron. Thats more than I need.

[4g64fiero]

Here are some more pics of the prep and body work.

I'm pretty dissappointed in how welding the sunroof turned out. I made a n00b mistake and didnt let the metal cool down in between welds. This resulted in me having to heat the metal with a torch and cool it down with a towel soaked in ice water to shrink it. It got much better but not perfect. I dont know how to fix it short of cutting it and rewelding it. Even then I cant garauntee that I wont warp the metal again. I will just have to deal with it which is a shame because I have formed the rest of the body into a masterpiece of straightness(it looked really good before I touched it, lol).

Must press on!

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/carpart009.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/carpart006.jpg

REAR BUMPER
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/carpart014.jpg

FRONT BUMPER ON REAR OF CAR WITH CUT OUT WHEEL WELL
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/carpart013.jpg

WHOLE ROOF
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/carpart011.jpg

Roof close up after work
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/carpart010.jpg

[Got Insulin?]

Lookin' good, man.

[dsm614]

I'm defiantly digging the work so far... just keep at it... even when it pisses you off a little...;)

[rpc91GSX]

lmao, what did you write on your back windshield?? :P :P

[4g64fiero]

lmao, what did you write on your back windshield?? :P :P
fuqt

;)

[Red1991TSI]

Have you tried any dry ice and heat gun or torch?

[jazzybeats]

I dunno how I missed this thread but great build you got going on man. With the sunroof gone are you gonna have more head room? I have never taken out the headliner and dunno how it all works up in there...
Sick build though man.
-Jason

[4g64fiero]

Have you tried any dry ice and heat gun or torch?
I was using regular ice and a torch. Dry ice is a damn good idea........

[4g64fiero]

I dunno how I missed this thread but great build you got going on man. With the sunroof gone are you gonna have more head room? I have never taken out the headliner and dunno how it all works up in there...
Sick build though man.
-Jason
I eliminated the sunroof strictly for weight purposes. But yeah theres about 1/2 and inch or so more headroom.

[jazzybeats]

You gotta post some pics of that when its a lil more complete/clean, thanks man. You are a glutton for dsm punishment it looks like... You ever decide on a lighter chassis for a 4g or are you gonna stick with this monster?
-Jason

[4g64fiero]

You gotta post some pics of that when its a lil more complete/clean, thanks man. You are a glutton for dsm punishment it looks like... You ever decide on a lighter chassis for a 4g or are you gonna stick with this monster?
-Jason
Its coming, I just want it to be epic. I need to figure out some things first without the headache of learning how to tune/drive a 800hp-1000hp car. I will probably drop the FWD a/t and built engine into a clean fiero sometime after it has attained the power I am looking for. Then I will convert my eclipse to rwd if I dont sell the shell with a supra tranny(billsautofab makes bellhousings for the conversion) and whatever the most stout rearend I can find is.

Its a long term plan lol. Until then, its just another car. But seriously, I'm getting super tired of driving a 85 crx around and I've only had it for 2 months. My wife drives the tiburon I built and painted. Built is a loose term in the tiburon world. Its not fast at all. Anyways, time to dream.....

[4g64fiero]

Well, I bought dupont "hot hues" matte clear and their black as well as some dupont black primer. It was only 320 dollars for all of it and I bought an extra quart of everything.:D

Fuck sherwin williams.

[Red1991TSI]

Fuck sherwin williams.

Why is that? I was looking into SW automotive paint when I do my repaint.

[4g64fiero]

Why is that? I was looking into SW automotive paint when I do my repaint.
Twice the price here locally. Plus, I've never even seen a car painted by sherwin williams paint. Dupont, half the price, and I've used it before.. Actually it was a 1/4 of the price AND I bought extra.

[jazzybeats]

No rush... We want it to be epic too...
So is it going to look satin or flat? Both are boss...

[4g64fiero]

No rush... We want it to be epic too...
So is it going to look satin or flat? Both are boss...
Matte black. As far as I know it will be slightly flatter than a satin finish.

[4g64fiero]

Well all I could get done is spraying some primer on the car itself and some body panels. I wanted to get the entire car done this weekend but it looks like it will wait till next weekend or so.

Here are pics of the progress:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/carpart018.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/carpart017.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/carpart016.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/carpart015.jpg

[XTAGEX]

Progress looks great!

Keep it coming!

[dsm614]

Looks like the neighbor's crx needs your help!

Great progress...:)

[4g64fiero]

Looks like the neighbor's crx needs your help!

Great progress...:)
Thats mine lol. Its the daily.

[dsm614]

I understand, I hate putting money into the daily drivers too!

[tarantula]

Looking good.

[4g64fiero]

Looking good.
Your lookin good honey buns!;)

[Got Insulin?]

Hey 4g64, I remember reading that you had run all of your engine harness into a single plug that you could just disconnect if you wanted to drop your engine....Details?

[4g64fiero]

Hey 4g64, I remember reading that you had run all of your engine harness into a single plug that you could just disconnect if you wanted to drop your engine....Details?
The db37 connector is the connector used for megasquirt. Its ussually used with older computers but you can still buy the cables. I bought the cable from cablewholesale.com I imagine you should be able to do the same with the stock computer as long as you solder the db37 cable into the stock ecu plug harness so you can use the stock ecu. Beware, this isnt a weekend project on a stock car. You will really have to know what every wire does and where it is supposed to go. There are wires that go places that dont make sense immediately. Some larger gauge power wires wont fit in the db37 like the power wire that goes to the resistor box for the injectors from the fuel injection relay. I bypassed that issue by leaving the resistor box inside the cabin with the ecu and relays. Let me know if you have anymore questions, I will be happy to help.:tree:

[Red1991TSI]

I want to see the pics of you welding a hull on that fucker!

[Got Insulin?]

The db37 connector is the connector used for megasquirt. Its ussually used with older computers but you can still buy the cables. I bought the cable from cablewholesale.com I imagine you should be able to do the same with the stock computer as long as you solder the db37 cable into the stock ecu plug harness so you can use the stock ecu. Beware, this isnt a weekend project on a stock car. You will really have to know what every wire does and where it is supposed to go. There are wires that go places that dont make sense immediately. Some larger gauge power wires wont fit in the db37 like the power wire that goes to the resistor box for the injectors from the fuel injection relay. I bypassed that issue by leaving the resistor box inside the cabin with the ecu and relays. Let me know if you have anymore questions, I will be happy to help.:tree:

I wasn't exactly looking to do it myself, I'm just an avid fan of the build section and saw you mention the plug in another thread. So I asked more out of curiosity than anything. Thanks for the advice though.

[4g64fiero]

Sorry I havent updated this in a while.

I'm in the middle of buying a house(I'm 22, fucking right!).

3br/2ba/2cg, 5mins from some of the popular beaches in FL. And I dont have kids :D .

So the car has been on a backburner but it is still here waiting for its paint to be finished.

[4g64fiero]

Alright, I restarted repairing the roof of the car due to the fact that the rest of the car is perfect and I cant stand seeing the beat up roof of my car. So I cut it out.

Here is a shot of the roof before:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/f003.jpg


Here is a pic of how I measured the cut using string and a metallic marker:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/f004.jpg


And finally, the roof removed:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/f005.jpg


Currently in the process of making a mold for the roof because I am making in out of fiberglass, not sheet metal.

[4g64fiero]

Here is a pics of the fiber glass drying:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/f.jpg

[4g64fiero]

Oh, and also, I drove one of these last weekend:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/f001.jpg

Its my uncle in law's. Its got a 383 and around 500hp.

[MuffinMan7580]

Here is a pics of the fiber glass drying:


Are you sure fiberglass is a good idea? Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but the roof provides a lot structural support for the chassis, and the fiberglass would be prone to cracking. I'm sure you already have seen people do this, but just something to chew on.

[Sean485]

The actual skin is there solely to keep the rain out but there are beams in the roof structure over the tops of the doors that are critical to chassi rigidity. I dont know if "I" would use fiberglass just because of the fact the roof is going to flex some but i've never tried it either...

[4g64fiero]

The actual skin is there solely to keep the rain out but there are beams in the roof structure over the tops of the doors that are critical to chassi rigidity. I dont know if "I" would use fiberglass just because of the fact the roof is going to flex some but i've never tried it either...
Sean hit the nail on the head.

I'm just using the fiberglass to make a mold since I dont have another eclipse. After I have the mold it will be made of a carbon fiber/kevlar fiber mix although I'm sure fiber glass would do just fine.

[Got Insulin?]

Uh, Targa top? Duh?

[4g64fiero]

Uh, Targa top? Duh?
HAHA fuck, maybe I should.....

But I dont no if I can handle it cause I've already tried to outsource making the roof to empie.

[Got Insulin?]

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n116/tjedi1/7-13-05FrontDriver-1.jpg

You want to.

[4g64fiero]

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n116/tjedi1/7-13-05FrontDriver-1.jpg

You want to.
Oh great now you got me seriously considering it. Your an asshole haha but this would defintely solve the whole " my roof looks like ass because I try to be a hero and weld it shut" problem.

[4g64fiero]

Alright, its been a little while but I finally have some sort of an update. I still have all my parts, I havent sold anything and have no intentions of quiting. I will, however, take quite a while to get this project done due to the economy fucking me in the goat vag.

I FINALLY sourced a roof skin locally. This is how I transported it:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/007.jpg




I got the front windshield out of my car by using guitar string (.022 inches) and welding gloves. No mess. It only took 20 mins.

I plan on putting the roof on tonight and tommorrow. After that, the paint will finally get finished.

[Sebba]

No more carbon roof?

[4g64fiero]

No more carbon roof?
Nah, just too much money. Have to make a mold, then lay the carbon fiber. Its the resin thats expensive, though. I'd be lucky to do it for under a grand in materials alone.

Basicaly, I want this car on the road, I can mold a CF roof later once I have a roof on my car to make a mold. So I'm not giving up on it, it just has to come later. I have another 2g but its a spyder, kinda fucked myself on that one haha.

[Sebba]

Fair enough.

I was wondering if that was going to get finished or not.

[slowWdsm]

Nice project! Keep the pictures coming.

[4g64fiero]

There arent to many resources or guides on how to remove a skin on the internet that I have found.

I will try to provide as much info on how to remove and install the 2g roof as I can but this is my first time doing it.

Once you remove all windows and the hatch, Drill out the spot welds.
Here you can see where I cut a line into the a pillar because this is the only place I actually plan on having to cut anything. The original a pillar will stay and the new roof will be put on:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/GEDC0103.jpg





There is a long seam in the back of the roof on the top that goes under the hatch that has to be grounded off. Also, there are many more spot welds to be drilled out:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/GEDC0104.jpg

You can cut those with an angle grinder if you wish. I am done for the day due to the sun going down and my elderly neighbor's husband just died. I dont really wanna make alot of noise right now.

On a side note, removing the windshield and side-rear windows is easy if you just use a .022 guitar string (buy 5 or so, they will break) and welding gloves to hold the wire to cut the glue that holds the window on. You will have to use it like a saw but it works.

[dsm614]

Nice update, I'm sure that was a lot of work!

[4g64fiero]

Finally:
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/GEDC0110.jpg



It was a little victory in and of itself for me. I just want everything to be perfect.

Over all I wasnt sure if I could do it, but looking back it seems easy.

What made it WAY easier is actually using a spot weld remover bit instead of a drill bit. Jesus, after that it went 10 times faster and cleaner no joke, the bit was only 5 bucks but I bought 2. Only needed 2.

Tools I used:
Drill
spot weld remover bit
Angle grinder
chisel
Hammer
flat head screw driver
Wire brush attachment for the drill to remove what was left of the adhesive for the windows so I could get to the spot welds
.022 inch guitar strings (about 5 or so)
Welder gloves

I also had a small phillips head screw driver that I would hammer into the spot weld to center the spot weld remover bit REAL easy. It has a spring loaded pin that trys to keep the bt centered but goes dull quick. If you punch a hole in the weld the its super easy to drill it out with the attachment because your not focused on keeping it centered. Made a big diferance.

[SpyderMan_GST]

Lookin good, got any updates for us?

[4g64fiero]

Lookin good, got any updates for us?
I'm hoarding parts right now with my pay raise.

Still need my air to water ic setup and the radiator as well as a cage and the fuel pump/lines/regulator.

[lazylaser]

Just stopping in to say nice build, good luck, etc. I am very curious about the s476.

You are all irrelevent....Mods should remove all posts other than mine and sticky it. Infact, every thread that I have written in should be treated this way. As far as the threads that I have not participated in, they should be deleted. That way, if someone doesnt understand, they can read my posts repeatedly until something positive rubs off on them.

[4g64fiero]

Thanks, I need the luck.

Some people pm'd me about the alternator relocation bracket I made from the old power steering bracket and ac bracket.

Here it is:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/GEDC0154.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h319/deltasomacon/GEDC0153.jpg

[tarantula]

The pictures are terrible. Get some clearer pics. The ones posted does not show any details on your invention.

[4g64fiero]

My money goes on parts , not cameras. That, and it was taken by me and I cant hold a camera still worth shit. I will weld up a tripod or something

[SpyderMan_GST]

My money goes on parts , not cameras. That, and it was taken by me and I cant hold a camera still worth shit. I will weld up a tripod or something

You are a true DSMer at heart :D

[theblizz]

My money goes on parts , not cameras. That, and it was taken by me and I cant hold a camera still worth shit. I will weld up a tripod or something

Ironic. Look @ alternator relocation "kit." lol.

Great build up though.

[SpyderMan_GST]

Updates?

[lilredeclipse]

What that guy said ^ !! I Know you have new toys!

[darksidegsx]

I can't wait to see the final product, ASS LOADS of attention have been paid to detail. I wish you well with the whole set up.

Good choice on turbo! Borg Warner's are the shit. I got to drive a 911 turbo which was outrageous. I'm not sure what model it is, but they come stock with the Borg's. I appreciate seeing these turbo's on a DSM

[4g64fiero]

I'm doing alot of research on rear suspension setups right now. I was going to go to a solid rear but then I found out that there are dana 60 diffs that can work in an IRS setup. That excites me haha.

[MuffinMan7580]

So you've changed your mind again and going back to AWD?

[4g64fiero]

So you've changed your mind again and going back to AWD?
Nah, RWD with a gm tranny/dana rear end.

I have a couple dsm trannies sitting around in my garage. I know what they look like on the inside, I cant logically justify putting that behind what I have planned for this car. It would be a waste and a futile excersize. I would like to not have to be nice to the car, that and being able to tow 7000 lbs is a plus mwaahahahahahaaa.....

[16G_tsi_awd]

Nah, RWD with a gm tranny/dana rear end.

I have a couple dsm trannies sitting around in my garage. I know what they look like on the inside, I cant logically justify putting that behind what I have planned for this car. It would be a waste and a futile excersize. I would like to not have to be nice to the car, that and being able to tow 7000 lbs is a plus mwaahahahahahaaa.....

LOL. A dana 44 with chrome alloy axle shafts would be plenty for a 4g63. And lighter too. Just a thought...

[4g64fiero]

LOL. A dana 44 with chrome alloy axle shafts would be plenty for a 4g63. And lighter too. Just a thought...

I get conflicting stories on this. I look at what these parts are rated at torque wise, and it makes me want to stick with a dana 60. Their not exactly rare around here. I am really trying to build this drivetrain for 800ft lbs of torque. Will I hit that? Hopefully not, I;m trying to build a high hp car, not necessarily more than 650-700 ft lbs of torque but with over 900 hp. I look at the classes I can race in at boti and the shoot out. Not alot of choices so I might as well go all out. No reason not to now.

I am waiting on DAMNdsm to finish parting out his car so I can use the rear gsx subframe he has to see what has to be done back there to stuff a respectable rear end back there. Once I get that the updates will start again.

[16G_tsi_awd]

Your funny. Ill be the first to tell you what you already know. :P You will never see that much torq. A 4g63 pushing 1000HP is barely above the 600 Ft/lbs. And your gonna try and do this with eagle rods? You'll munch the rod bearings left and right at the 700HP range. Maybe you like taking motors in and out. :dunno:

Can you get a turbo400 to take that kind of RPM's?

[16G_tsi_awd]

A nodular 9inch would be nice to. Then you could buy different 3rd members and quick change them. Imagine being able to put a 1:1 gear ration in that bish. Or puttin 4.10's for the quarter mile or whatever you want. Rather then having to re shim old ring and pinion sets (never works, they have to be new every time or else it howls)

[4g64fiero]

Your funny. Ill be the first to tell you what you already know. :P You will never see that much torq. A 4g63 pushing 1000HP is barely above the 600 Ft/lbs. And your gonna try and do this with eagle rods? You'll munch the rod bearings left and right at the 700HP range. Maybe you like taking motors in and out. :dunno:

Can you get a turbo400 to take that kind of RPM's?

1.Theres a couple guys around with 700ft lbs of torque, albeit they have strokers. I dont want it though.
2. Eagles rods are in there until I get custom aluminum rods made for my destroker. There are details I do not want to disclose yet that I want to try.:P Until then I'll dick around with 550hp getting the chassis setup then move on to the 11k motor.
3.I have a 4l80 already laying around but I'm switching to a mid 90s camaro t56. The rear is probably going to be the irs from a cobra or c5 since youve talked me out of the d60. I dunno. We will see. I really want the c5 rear but the cobra is a nice unit too but the axels dont seem like they would be as strong.

[4g64fiero]

A nodular 9inch would be nice to. Then you could buy different 3rd members and quick change them. Imagine being able to put a 1:1 gear ration in that bish. Or puttin 4.10's for the quarter mile or whatever you want. Rather then having to re shim old ring and pinion sets (never works, they have to be new every time or else it howls)
I ditched the idea of a ford 9 inch when I found out about it having 3x the parasitic loss of a similiar dana unit. But yes I think about 4.10's before I go to sleep at night.:freak:

[Jdog]

What front and rear motor mounts are those? I'm looking to get some next day air to my house because thats the only thing holding me back from getting the car back to the streets.

[4g64fiero]

I only have stock a/t 2ga motor mounts in the pics if thats what your wondering about.

[Jdog]

I needed the manual tranny front and rears :(

[K_Mans_TSI]

Since I just found the link to this thread do an 8.8 from a newer Ranger, it's short, 3.55 gears factory (our gearing) and already has our bolt pattern. If you can't find one in a Ranger you can get the full length axle from an Explorer/Excursion 5bolt pattern.

[16G_tsi_awd]

^ agreed!!! The 8.8 is an great axle. Alot of mustang guys use them. As well as jeep yj owners, since their dana 35's spring perches are only an 1/8th difference. And They have the same lug pattern.

If you find one out of newer explorer they have disc brakes already. I think they even have a traction aid i.e. locker.