Recipe for 300whp...

[bsmart82]

I am picking up an '06 Evo MR tomorrow and need a short list to 300whp. It will be my dd and I don't plan to go crazy with it since I have my Talon for the track. Car currently has 3" turbo-back, open air filter, boost gauge, wideband, and manual boost controller set @18psi. Any input appreciated...

[turbofonz]

This is a DSM forum, not an Evo forum.

With those mods, and a little more boost and a reflash I'm sure it'll do 300whp no problem. 9's make damn good power.

[Asmodeus]

21psi and a tune will see you over 300whp on a mustang dyno.

If you aren't already.

[Sean485]

This is a DSM forum, not an Evo forum.
DSM forum with an evo sub-forum ;)

[Don Boosted]

DSM forum with an evo sub-forum ;)

Pwnt! :)


From what I understand, Evos are all about an ECU reflash. But then again, I don't know much about Evos. Check out EvolutionM.net, it's a pretty good forum.

[punisher]

Yeah 300 is easy in an Evo9. You have everything you need just get a tune and a little more boost.

[Marq97GSX]

Pwnt! :)


From what I understand, Evos are all about an ECU reflash. But then again, I don't know much about Evos. Check out EvolutionM.net, it's a pretty good forum.


..And DSMLink..:D

[bsmart82]

Thanks for the help guys... I'll get some pics up today when the weather clears up.

[frankozz]

I saw on import tuner a stock evo 9 that pulled 261hp and 244tq, and with an XS Engineering reflash, Apexi gt 3.74 inch exhaust, Hks evc set at 20.5 psi it pulled 299hp and 270tq.
MSRP of parts used was $1844 though :eek:

XS reflash ecu programing $395
Apexi gt spec exhaust $799
HKS evc VI boost controller $650

[Don Boosted]

But still, 1800 to make 300hp, thats about as much it would cost us. Unless you're a bargain hunter and buying stuff used :)

[gSx-LeX]

I saw on import tuner.......

I read on Import Tuner, that Sasha Singleton liked guys that were funny and that she didn't care what they looked like. In reality, this is not true (at least not when I tried to talk to her at SEMA 2006).

$300 whp is very obtainable with what you already have. I would agree with everyone else with the "Ecu reflash". Bro, just please don't go to DynoFlash (Bro).

[11secdsm]

I read on Import Tuner, that Sasha Singleton liked guys that were funny and that she didn't care what they looked like. In reality, this is not true (at least not when I tried to talk to her at SEMA 2006).

$300 whp is very obtainable with what you already have. I would agree with everyone else with the "Ecu reflash". Bro, just please don't go to DynoFlash (Bro).


DUDE!! I <3 Sasha!!!

300whp is VERY easy to get...and cheap. A reputable flash and some boost will definitely get you there. If you're feeling spendy throw in an exhaust and filter.

[Chicago_DSM]

If you having tuning experience, ECUFlash combined with EvoScan is a very user-friendly program.

[bsmart82]

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq270/bsmart82/Evo/IMG_0032.jpg

Thanks for the replies, I think 20psi and a tune will be my starting point.

[Asmodeus]

DUDE!! I <3 Sasha!!!

300whp is VERY easy to get...and cheap. A reputable flash and some boost will definitely get you there. If you're feeling spendy throw in an exhaust and filter.

I am picking up an '06 Evo MR tomorrow and need a short list to 300whp. It will be my dd and I don't plan to go crazy with it since I have my Talon for the track. Car currently has 3" turbo-back, open air filter, boost gauge, wideband, and manual boost controller set @18psi. Any input appreciated...

He's already GTG. Just needs tuned for moAr boost.


So anyway... looks nice OP. Now how about giving me those wheels? :)

[11secdsm]

He's already GTG. Just needs tuned for moAr boost.

:o See what happens when I don't read everything??? :P

[Asmodeus]

^ Yeah its not every day I get a chance to 'captain obvious' you Chris.


I'll admit, it was fun.

lol!

[STikillinTsi]

There is good maps for free on evolutionm.net

[Asmodeus]

There is good maps for free on evolutionm.net

His car needs a custom tune. He has a wide band. There is no reason to use some off the shelf map. And the posting of vendor maps on evo M is not allowed. So there are no real semi tuned maps available, he could just flash and not have to work with considerably.

There is no replacement for logging and tuning on a car by car basis. Not all email flashes work out as intended. If he springs for a $90 flash cable and evo scan he's basically got what he needs to learn how to tune the car himself. Which is what he needs to do.

[bsmart82]

I'm definately going to do alot of Evo tuning research. I am very familiar tuning with DSMLink in the Talon. Where is a good place to get a cable?

[Green Machine]

thinking of picking up one for myself within the next year or so let us know how it works out. ur mr is a beauty i dont see to many reds on the street

[Asmodeus]

www.tunertools.com

Don't expect it to be DSMlink easy. All the calculations, and data manipulation has already been done for you in DSMlink. Initially, you will be changing a thing here, or a thing there. But when you REALLY get down to tuning the evo, and want to be up to speed on everything. Its a lot of time. A lot. You will be doing a lot of xml editing to get the ecu to spit out the data you need. Then revising calculations in the logging programs you use to arrive at the precious data you need to tune the car.

Its easy. But its not simple.

Buy the cable, download the rom with ecuflash and figure out what rom ID the car is. That's step #1.
Step #2 is narrowing your search on evoM to <just> the ecuflash forum, dumping the rom ID in, and hours upon hours upon days of searching and reading 400 page threads on how to incorporate all the extra's they've deciphered from your rom.
Step #3 is implementing them all into the rom, picking a patched rom that meets your needs, supplying all the corresponding tables into your rom's xml file. And making sure they jive with whatever logging program you are using.
Step #4 is learning how to use it all.

Don't bite off more than you can chew at once. But get it over with quickly so you are up to speed. Being able to change your rev limit is cool. And making smiley faces in your fuel map looks neat. But it is not PSI based boost control with a 3 port, run off the stock ecu with map switching.

Its out there. And its basically free. You wouldn't believe what the user support has contributed to the evo tuning corner. And FYI... the good stuff, is NOT coming from vendors. Most of them won't touch it with a 10 ft pole because it is not conducive to time = money / money = time.

Ecuflash has temporarily surpassed DSMlink's abilities. Pending a version 3 release... but even then, its constantly evolving every day, where DSMlink is dependent upon 2-3 guys to push out new features and abilities. The sooner you catch up, the sooner you will fall behind again. Avoid that forum for a month and you'll wonder what planet everyone moved to.

Get the cable, and get on the ball with it. Basic tuning concepts still apply, it will just seem quirky akward at first. However, you have much more control than you ever did with link if you want it. If I could run a DSM on an evo ecu instead of using DSMLink now, I would. The evo ecu itself is better, faster, and more capable. And it shows in day to day driving under varying conditions. The issues that cause the dsm to have a personality... are probably 50% or more to do with the ecu. That is just not present on an evo. And thank god. I for one have had enough of my car being crankier than me.

[JayRolla]

We have people here making 380-420whp with evos and hardly anything done.

Here is a 380whp recipe.

Exhaust
Intake
255lph FP
1000cc injectors
MBC
e85 and reflash

They are usually running 26-28psi on e85 with nice timing. Through a set of cams in there and you have 400whp.

[Asmodeus]

Your talking out of people's estimates from logging programs, or your dyno reads about 35hp high. 345-385AWHP I might believe on E85.

But sorry bud, not on the stock turbo, intercooler, pipes, leaking bov, and definitely not on stock cams in an 8.

You got any dyno charts to back that up?

[JPJ2007]

Sorry to bud in with no useful information but,
Very nice evo. Every time I see one I ask myself why I'm even bothering with my 2G GSX....
Bump!

[93_GSX]

+1, Thats a very nice looking car. Congrats on the purchase, keep us updated on the progress!

[JayRolla]

Nope no dyno's to prove it. This is just what people have done at the local dyno shop and yes it was a dynojet I believe so numbers are elevated a little. Also we have higher correction factor due to altitude so that could come into play. Im talking about 9's or 8's with the 9 hotside and a 9 bov. E85 is crazy stuff. I can run my 16g at 32psi spike at 27* timing with no knock.

Anways at this altitude they are usually low 12 to mid 12 on stock turbos. I think one guy with a 9 ran 11.6 on the stock 9 turbo but he had a lot more little bolt ons. He dyno's 345 on a dynojet I believe.

[Asmodeus]

Nope no dyno's to prove it. This is just what people have done at the local dyno shop and yes it was a dynojet I believe so numbers are elevated a little. Also we have higher correction factor due to altitude so that could come into play. Im talking about 9's or 8's with the 9 hotside and a 9 bov. E85 is crazy stuff. I can run my 16g at 32psi spike at 27* timing with no knock.

Anways at this altitude they are usually low 12 to mid 12 on stock turbos. I think one guy with a 9 ran 11.6 on the stock 9 turbo but he had a lot more little bolt ons. He dyno's 345 on a dynojet I believe.

32psi spike on a 16g? Why?

27* timing? Why?

Time to buy a real turbo.

:dunno:

[bsmart82]

Thanks for the compliments. I'm really going to keep the Evo mild for awhile, because if I start modding I can't stop. The Talon still needs a lot more to be where I want it, and I broke a rear axle at the track Sunday(4bolt swap in progress now). I would be all over E85 for the Talon, but it has not made it's way to my area yet.

[Asmodeus]

Do what I did. Run methanol. A lot... of methanol. It doesn't take much, my content doesn't even break 45/55 meth/h20. Typically in the 42-44% range methanol by volume. But volume, I just use a lot of it. Typically as much as I can squeeze in without upsetting things. A gallon reservoir still lasts a long time, weeks with typical day to day driving.

It does what E85 does for the most part, except, its LESS strain on your fuel system instead of more. The more methanol you add, the more fuel that comes out. So no $600 double pumpers, and 10AN lines... and 1600cc inj. And all the resultant fun idle tuning, and everything else that comes with having 30% more fuel system than you should need. Plus the gas mileage goes positive the second the meth light comes on. All that heavy part throttle stuff that makes a fast car fun to drive around town, I still get highway mileage instead of... well like 12.

E85 is in my area, but not plentiful enough to make it worth the needed expenditures for the fuel system, and 20mi out of my way just to fill up. I run 28-29psi @ 12.2-12.5-1 with 24+* of timing. On a GT3076R every day. Hot/warm/cold/raining/snowing/humid/dry. No knock ever.

I haven't touched the tune since August. I fill up the reservoir when it gets half empty with a bottle of heet. And top it off with WWF. Costs me $5-6 to make 2 gallons of 40ish % methanol / water. And that lasts about 2 months.

I'm not even pushing the system hard. There's plenty of room still. I just don't even care to find the limit. It's fast enough / and requires no more upkeep than topping off fluids.

Run methanol. It makes everything else easy.
:dunno:

[GSXbeast]

I was at a dealership a few months ago with cash in hand to buy an EVOVIII with a nice mod list. I test drove it and I didn't even realize I was going 120mph. I think the guy from the dealership pissed his pants a little bit. The only thing that stopped me was the insurance, Geico wanted 2400 for 6 months. I opted for an 03 350z instead. I ended up selling it at the end of October for my dream car, 2G GSX with 50000 miles on it when I bought it. It's not as fast as the 350, but it will be within time. I had to have a turbo car, might as well be AWD at the same time. I love my baby EVO.

I know I shouldn't have posted this in this forum but it is somewhat related to the OP.:)

[bsmart82]

Do what I did. Run methanol. A lot... of methanol. It doesn't take much, my content doesn't even break 45/55 meth/h20. Typically in the 42-44% range methanol by volume. But volume, I just use a lot of it. Typically as much as I can squeeze in without upsetting things. A gallon reservoir still lasts a long time, weeks with typical day to day driving.

It does what E85 does for the most part, except, its LESS strain on your fuel system instead of more. The more methanol you add, the more fuel that comes out. So no $600 double pumpers, and 10AN lines... and 1600cc inj. And all the resultant fun idle tuning, and everything else that comes with having 30% more fuel system than you should need. Plus the gas mileage goes positive the second the meth light comes on. All that heavy part throttle stuff that makes a fast car fun to drive around town, I still get highway mileage instead of... well like 12.

E85 is in my area, but not plentiful enough to make it worth the needed expenditures for the fuel system, and 20mi out of my way just to fill up. I run 28-29psi @ 12.2-12.5-1 with 24+* of timing. On a GT3076R every day. Hot/warm/cold/raining/snowing/humid/dry. No knock ever.

I haven't touched the tune since August. I fill up the reservoir when it gets half empty with a bottle of heet. And top it off with WWF. Costs me $5-6 to make 2 gallons of 40ish % methanol / water. And that lasts about 2 months.

I'm not even pushing the system hard. There's plenty of room still. I just don't even care to find the limit. It's fast enough / and requires no more upkeep than topping off fluids.

Run methanol. It makes everything else easy.
:dunno:

When the Talon was still rocking a 14b and trying to squeeze every last drop out of it, I had a Snow Performance meth kit spraying 50/50. I guess it's time to put it back in.

[mrtalon20]

Love the evo just got my evo 8 about 2 mos. ago and I should be making about 500+ on pump and about 580+ on race gas I hope.

[Asmodeus]

When the Talon was still rocking a 14b and trying to squeeze every last drop out of it, I had a Snow Performance meth kit spraying 50/50. I guess it's time to put it back in.

I'm running something fairly similar. It works extremely well.

[JayRolla]

32psi spike on a 16g? Why?

27* timing? Why?

Time to buy a real turbo.

:dunno:

Because thats how you make power on a 16g and yes I want a new turbo. Once I have the money a hx35 will be going in, but dsmlink is first on the list. I have been tuning 1200cc injectors on just a maf-t/safc setup. It works real well but I need some timing control.

I have ran so much timing since I dont have timing control. At base timing I see 27-28* peak. So I run 0-1* base and see 22* peak.

The reason you want to spike the 16g that high is so it will hold more boost to redline. Going from 24psi to a spike of 32psi is like night and day at higher rpms. The air/flow may be maxed at 24psi but whats the point if the turbo only pushes that air for a few seconds before dropping off.

If I run 24psi it will fall to 20psi bye redline. If i run 32psi it will fall to 24psi bye redline. People that have ran 10's on 16g's usually spike to 35-40psi and hold 30psi to redline.

I dont care what anyone says, the 16g is a potent turbo when done correctly. I would take any 50trim that came my way.

[95EagleAWD]

The 16g is not efficient AT ALL at 40 pounds.

You're wasting your time trying to run the turbo that hard.

10's on a 16G?? Where and when? I've never heard that being done... 12s, sure, but 10s? That's a long way for a tiny, tiny turbo like the 16G.

[95EagleAWD]

And yeah, I see 10s now. Guess things have moved on since I've last had a DSM. :eek:

[JayRolla]

LOL the turbo is not efficient at 40psi but is around 30psi. With good fuel and a good intercooler you will make more power spiking at 40psi falling too 30psi than you would spiking 30psi falling too 22.

People have dynoed 500whp on a 16g and making 10 sec passes. Just amazing.

[95EagleAWD]

I'm sure you can make 500 whp on a 16G.

You'll never convince me it's a good idea.

[JayRolla]

Yea thats not a good idea, but 400 or a little more whp is very attainable with good fuel. People say its a good turbo for spool, just think of 400whp with all the tq real low in the rpm band. Very fun compared to a larger turbo making the same power.

[turbofonz]

People have dynoed 500whp on a 16g and making 10 sec passes. Just amazing.

I think that's one extreme example though. Curt Brown, 499whp on a VERY well setup car. I don't many people will get near that power... 400whp is quite a lot on that turbo. I don't think he was running anywhere near that much timing or boost either, I may be wrong though.

edit - fail twice in this thread... i'm not sure on evo 8+ 16gs, but I'm talking evo3.

[JayRolla]

Curt Brown was holding 32psi to redline with a conservative timing around 19*. On e85 with light mods people are hitting 350-400whp on e85. With a high compression build, large cams, SMIM I think 500whp mark gets a lot easier. Just not too many people build a full race, high compression motor with all the goodies and through a 16g on.

[K_Mans_TSI]

One person has dynoed 500whp on a 16g and making 10 sec passes. Just amazing.

Fixed for you.

Oh, just in case you forgot, your name is not said person above so stop talking like you know everything about making a 500whp 16g car unless you OWN a 500whp 16g car.

[Chicago_DSM]

Extra washers on the WGA = High boost 16g. A local here was running 40-41psi, falling to mid to low 30psi on his EvoIII 16g. Ended up running 10.90's on C16 in street car form. Another buddy of mine runs 37psi falling to 30psi, with the same wastegate mod and race gas.

[JayRolla]

Fixed for you.

Oh, just in case you forgot, your name is not said person above so stop talking like you know everything about making a 500whp 16g car unless you OWN a 500whp 16g car.

How do you know I dont?? I am only saying this because I have been tuning a 16g car for a long time now at 30+psi boost levels making a good amount of power. Before I get my hx35 on, I will be hitting the dyno and welding the wastegate shut hoping for 40+psi (holding 30-32psi) like stated above. Hopefully I can get close to 500whp on a dynojet.

[dannyrampage]

Nice looking evo. Just reflash & turn the boost.