My late 2008-2009 build and write-up

[1slow93turbo]

As some of you may have known in 2008 I set a goal to run 9's full weight with all luxuries and I did just that (as seen in sig). Well as we all know the next goal is set higher so plans for this coming 2009 year my goals are low 9's hopefully 9.30's-9.40's and still retain A/C. After last season of turning the motor 9500+ rpms I decided to tear it down and check it out. To my surprise everything looked very good, however I noticed the rod bearings were wearing fairly quick since I was using the Eagle/Ross combo so I decided I would change things up a bit. I will start off with the new shortblock pics and info. Bare with me whereas I work on the road alot, but will keep this thread updated.

The purpose for this write up is to specifically talk about the parts used in my build. There are alot of people interested in the aluminum rod motors as well as the Wiseco 1400HD pistons. Plus its winter time and we all love pics!!

First I will post pics then I will list my specs/clearences. **These are what I felt were correct to use after obtaining the best info I could get USE AT YOUR OWN RISK**

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- Wiseco 1400 HD 8.5:1 .020 overbore
- Piston to wall .0040
- Rod bearing clearance .0024
- Main bearing clearance .0026
- Block decked .006 now deck height is 9.011
- Copper o-ring set @ .013, after bolting the torque plate and boring/honing is at .008
- GRP solid beam rods rated @ 1200hp ordered 5.895 length due to re-surface of deck
- Drilled out crank plugs and cleaned, then tapped and re-plugged
- (9) new 35mm freeze plugs
- Clearanced the front and rear main caps ~.25" to clear rods
- Set ring gap @ .019 top and .022 bottom
- Balanced crank and Quarter Master clutch together and marked alignment
- Balanced pistons and rods

All work was done at www.pattersonracing.com this is the first import they have ran through their shop, however the machinst in the back Mike knows 4g63's very well. They are no joke when it comes to making power!! Darren answered every call and called when he promised he would. Could not ask for any better professionalism.

Thanks for looking,

Jason

[1slow93turbo]

I was tired of looking a the parachute cable and nitrous line so I decided to make a 2 piece lightweight cover. The lower supports are a piece of 2x4 screwed to the factory spare tire cover rail and the nut in the middle is obviously the spare tire hold-down wingnut.It took me a couple hours to make this since I had the factory wood pieces to trace around.

What do you think?

BEFORE
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4884/hatchb4vd0.jpg

SUPPORTS
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/6319/hatchsupportfp1.jpg

RIGHT SIDE
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1184/hatchrightwi4.jpg

LEFT SIDE
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5752/hatchleftnh5.jpg

REAR VIEW
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/7505/hatchrearcp3.jpg

BOTTLE SIDE
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/9671/hatchbottlesidert2.jpg

BOTTLE TOP
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9360/hatchbottletopke3.jpg

My car still has a/c, etc and I drive it alot on the weekends so I did what I considered to be a minor weight reduction. I already had the poly seats so I threw them in.

1. Poly race seats 10 lbs each
2. Rear seat delete
3. Rear wiper delete ( getting vinyl to cover spoiler hole)
4. I put on a VIS carbon fiber hood today (will post pics when car is clean)

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[1slow93turbo]

While the engine was out I decided to clean things up some more. I cannot stand getting grease on me when working on my personal cars.

Before

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AFTER

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Bought this in the beginning of 2008. DSS 3.5" driveshaft which I just had re-balanced, DSS big t-case, and DSS Stage 5 axles

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2913/dsspackage1lr1.jpg

Here is what it looks like in stealth mode. This was before I put the big Precision intercooler on.

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[1slow93turbo]

PICS OF CERTIFIED 8.50 CAGE installed beginning of 2008 as well. Its obviuosly designed for complete interior!!

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[11secdsm]

Can't wait to see what the car does this season Jason! Should be a beast (not that it's not already)!

[1slow93turbo]

Thanks alot Chris, without your help it wouldn't be possible! Can't wait for the new intake manifold to show up either.

[i need a dsm]

Did you repaint the bay or are you just really good at cleaning? :)

SICK SICK build man!!

[1slow93turbo]

First of all thank you! I did indeed spray the uni-body rails down with VHT gloss black. I spent about 2 hours cleaning and sanding. I did test wax the upper part and it made a huge difference as well (not shown in pics).

[projecTSI]

Very clean car Jason, you can tell you paid a lot of attention to the small details. Very nice.

[DSM Rook]

I really like the info you posted about the engine. Nice to see some of those details. Car looks really good as well. Nice details and I like how you're keeping all of the stock panels and a/c.

[1slow93turbo]

JMF Drag manifold
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/549/jmf1yq2.jpg

Thats a huge Biotch
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5488/jmf2ol4.jpg

Nice stacks
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Pistons installed
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Rods installed
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Rods close-up
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Turbo kit off a friends evo. PT74GTS Dbb, plans are to run this if everyting clears
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Painted the Shep Stage 4 with ceramic aluminum 1200 degree paint
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Solid mounts welded up by a friend and I
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[turbosteve]

Very nice!!! Looking forward to seeing the new setup in action. Im finally getting ready to use the On-green manifold, thanks for the great price!

[1slow93turbo]

Thank you for the extra funds! I seen your build a couple days ago. Can't wait to see it either. Just waiting on stupid little things to show up so I can fire it up soon.

UPDATE... got the new rear diff in from Jake M. out of the Evil Eagle. Its shimmed tighter and has been polished and de-burred.

[K_Mans_TSI]

What made you decide on copper oring?

[1slow93turbo]

Well, the machine shop build 1400-1800hp comp eliminator motors running 14-17.1:1 compression and they said this is what they run as well as the Felpro MLS. I will try it I guess.

[1slow93turbo]

Skipped a few steps but wanted to do a update. I am going to order a JMF topmount monday whereas this manifold is off a EVO and it wont allow the waterpipe to be used and is too close to the driverside so a downpipe is impossible.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3108/dscn1545za3.jpg

[BostinSwifty38]

You COULD weld a fitting on the waterpipe, and run a 90 deg. fitting off that to bring the line down, and jsut run braided lines to the radiator..that would be cheaper..

-A. Swift

[1slow93turbo]

After inspecting the head we found the exhaust valves warped. There is nothing wrong with the S.S. valves on the intake side so we re-ground them and the seats and I put in Supertech inconel valves on the exhaust side.

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Felpro MLS 1153-1 and L19's ready to hold some power!!

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This most rare part of my car! I want 850awhp and A/C

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[1slow93turbo]

You COULD weld a fitting on the waterpipe, and run a 90 deg. fitting off that to bring the line down, and jsut run braided lines to the radiator..that would be cheaper..

-A. Swift

Yeah I know but the downpipe is the main issue. Even with the forward facing filter its impossible for a downpipe. Thanks though!

[BostinSwifty38]

hmm....and why don't you run the turbo facing the other way, with the comp cover clocked towards the front, and run a 90 deg elbow pointed down? then there's roon for hte exhaust..

-A. Swift

[1slow93turbo]

The pipe by the exhaust housing is the whole problem. I will look closer when I get back in town tomorrow evening but I am sure there is no way around it without cutting up the manifold and its not mine.

Thanks for your input.

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[BostinSwifty38]

sorry, just tryin to help out a fella friend. save money where ya can..and those top-mount manis, while nice, are expensive! so ya..what year did that q45 come off of? I got a same mani, but currently has the adaptor plate to allow a 1g nt tb to be bolted on..but i want to convert to the q45..

-A. Swift

[Sean485]

This most rare part of my car! I want 850awhp and A/C

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/777/dscn1544lv4.jpg

Your motor mount is upside down :P

[1slow93turbo]

^^ Good eye, but I posted above that I caught that. Ha ha that wouldn't have worked very well.

EDIT... just checked and my edit about the mount last night didn't save for some reason.

[1slow93turbo]

As far as I can go without the exhaust manifold.

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[BostinSwifty38]

looks liek yo uare using 2.5" upper pipe? If so, I have a JMF adaptor that allows a 1g tb to be bolted up to it, and I have a 1g nt tb with the ISC blocked off to trade ya...

-A. Swift

[1slow93turbo]

looks liek yo uare using 2.5" upper pipe? If so, I have a JMF adaptor that allows a 1g tb to be bolted up to it, and I have a 1g nt tb with the ISC blocked off to trade ya...

-A. Swift


I was running 2.5" thats going to change to 3". Thanks for the offer!

Jason

[1slow93turbo]

Thanks to Jake M. I got the rear diff out of the Evil Eagle installed and had the driveshafts rebalanced and u-joints replaced with all Spicer parts.

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[destroydsm]

Sweet ride!

[1slow93turbo]

Thank you!

I ordered the topmount manifold today so look forward to some updates in a week or two.

-Jason

[1slow93turbo]

Well made a little more progress today. Got the cold side 3" intercooler piping done except I want to clean the pipe up a little.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/6158/dscn1567rp0.jpg

[BostinSwifty38]

What coupler did you use for the upper part to the tb? jsut a straight 3" and stretch it for the tb?

-A. Swift

[evil~eagle]

I really like this build, great job! keep up the great work man!

[1slow93turbo]

What coupler did you use for the upper part to the tb? jsut a straight 3" and stretch it for the tb?

-A. Swift

Its a Vibrant 3.5" to 3". I can get the part number tomorrow.

Thanks

[1slow93turbo]

I really like this build, great job! keep up the great work man!

Thanks Jake, I cannot wait for some low 9's!!

[rad_dsm]

What size battery are you running there?

[1slow93turbo]

The smaller honda. I thinks it's a 51R series... I think?

[andy4g63]

Good work, man !!! Glad, that you were able to prove that even 1G full interior car can run 9's with AC and everything...

A lot of people thought, that was EVO territory only... Besides the fact, that you are 3300 lbs. , your time and MPH is really good for that weight and HP figure...

Good luck.

[turbosteve]

Did you think about turning the turbo around? It might make it easier to run the downpipe since the altenator is going to be in the stock location. I know the late Wess Hess manifold was like that.

[1slow93turbo]

It wouldn't turn around since the #2 is close to the exhaust housing. Also the flange is tilted very far in toward the tubes. Trust me as I said before if I could make it work for the price difference of a new manifold, I would keep it.

[turbosteve]

It wouldn't turn around since the #2 is close to the exhaust housing. Also the flange is tilted very far in toward the tubes. Trust me as I said before if I could make it work for the price difference of a new manifold, I would keep it.

Yeah i understand, i was thinking with the new manifold also. I guess you could see when it comes in.

[1slow93turbo]

Got this push/pull staging brake from Chad at Modified By KC. It was in one of their old civics. I will be setting it up as a pull type. Going to get the hoses made this week.

DOES ANYONE KNOW THAT THE THREAD PITCH IS ON THE PROPORTIONING VALVE AND MASTER CYLINDER? (The line from the lower left on prop. valve that goes to the front port of master cyl.)

Also should be expecting the JMF topmount this week!!

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3586/dscn1592uj6.jpg

[1slow93turbo]

Looky what showed up!! JMF did a nice job on the manifold. I am going to have to pipe off the wastegate flange closest to the alternator and relocate the wastegate somewhere else since I have a/c and need the alternator up front. I also had to move the passenger side electric fan in front of the condensor and will have to get another 10" fan to mountas a puller by the alternator. So one fan is in front of the radiator as a pusher and one is a puller.

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[yangtech]

3" intercooler pipe looks awesome.

[1slow93turbo]

Hit it hard for half of yesterday and all day today. I will be ordering the 2nd wastegate tomorrow and picking up the j-bends to finish up the driverside wastegate relocation and both dump tubes. The downpipe is a 2 piece design and splits just below the alternator. I was actually surprised how much room there was for the 3" downpipe and the relocation pipe. I will be placing the driverside wastegate next to the front motor mount angled up towards the flange. As for the exhaust its done!

I should have it together and running by Thursday could've been sooner but going out of town a couple days for work.

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Decided to make the downpipe out of aluminumized mild steel since I am always changing turbos :-)

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[turbosteve]

Nice, looks good. What size outlet does the turbine housing have? I was thinking the same thing for my downpipe, i went for straight mild steel for the downpipe fabrication, then im going to get it ceramic coated. Better heat retention, and half the cost of stainless. :tat:

[11secdsm]

It's coming together nicely Jason! Can't wait to see it completed again!!

[1slow93turbo]

Nice, looks good. What size outlet does the turbine housing have? I was thinking the same thing for my downpipe, i went for straight mild steel for the downpipe fabrication, then im going to get it ceramic coated. Better heat retention, and half the cost of stainless. :tat:


This turbo has a 3" exhaust outlet and 3" compressor outlet.

[1slow93turbo]

It's coming together nicely Jason! Can't wait to see it completed again!!

Thanks again Chris! I cannot wait to get it together "again" as well and hopefully leave it alone this time.

[1slow93turbo]

Its Alive!!!

[11secdsm]

Damn! That was quick! :eek:

[1slow93turbo]

Ha ha, yeah when I'm on a mission I'm on kill!! I will try to get some video of it in the near future. Still need to bleed brakes and install 2nd wastegate when it comes in then its tuning time.

Thanks again everyone for the nice comments, Chris @ GV for the great prices, Chad at Modified by KC, Jim and Brent @ JMF for the fast service and beautiful products!

-Jason

[92_TaLoN_DSM]

Just read your whole thread and all I have to say is WOW! Can't believe you are pulling 3300lbs down the track in the 9's. Can't wait to see the video!

[1slow93turbo]

Thank you very much! I have came along way in the DSM world in just 2 years. Took alot of reading and alot of questions, then sorting through the data deciding whats right. When I first got serious on the forums a couple years ago I was called a "newb" and when I said I wanted to run 9's I was in a round about way laughed at, but I knew time would tell. I used that to drive me and thats why I build cars simply for myself and my personal goals. This year I am shooting for consistant low 9's.

Here is a link to my video, this is before I pulled the rear seat and put in front race seats

http://s530.photobucket.com/albums/dd343/1slow93turbo/?action=view&current=JasonCrooksIFOKCCompilationVideo.flv

-Jason

[92_TaLoN_DSM]

Thank you very much! I have came along way in the DSM world in just 2 years. Took alot of reading and alot of questions, then sorting through the data deciding whats right. When I first got serious on the forums a couple years ago I was called a "newb" and when I said I wanted to run 9's I was in a round about way laughed at, but I knew time would tell. I used that to drive me and thats why I build cars simply for myself and my personal goals. This year I am shooting for consistant low 9's.

Here is a link to my video, this is before I pulled the rear seat and put in front race seats

http://s530.photobucket.com/albums/dd343/1slow93turbo/?action=view&current=JasonCrooksIFOKCCompilationVideo.flv

-Jason

That's pretty much where I am at right now. I just got serious into the DSM scene a little over a year ago and am attempting my first complete rebuild this winter/spring. Can only hope I have half the success you are having. Keep it up man! BTW nice video:cool:

[1slow93turbo]

Finally got it on the rollers today and I must say I am very pleased. I knew when it made the same power as last year with 13 psi less and no nitrous it would be a good day, but its even better now that I can ditch the $13/gal Q16 and run the $1.71 E85. I will re-boost leak test it soon and see if we cant get a little more out of it.

Conditions:
71*F
29.24in-Hg
19% Humidity
~1100 above sea level

Settings:
E85
37-38 psi
17.5* timing
11.4:1 AFR
38 psi base fuel pressure

Outcome:
774.24 hp/ 487.65 tq SAE and 760 hp corrected

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/4260/jasoncrooksdsm74mmev6.jpg

[11secdsm]

Is this were you plan on running it or are you going to turn the boost up w/ race gas? Definitely very impressive for E85!

[lazylaser]

Nice update! And nice 9 second pass...Newb, lol.

[yangtech]

Nice numbers and 37-38 psi on E85 is awesome.

[1slow93turbo]

Is this were you plan on running it or are you going to turn the boost up w/ race gas? Definitely very impressive for E85!

Thanks Chris! I might get a little more agressive with the E85 but you know me, I am conservative. This will be by "DD" tune and for now I would like to play with E85 and get a better feel for it. Probably try to get it in the 9's with no nitrous whereas it should. I also put the stock front seats back in so it will be ~3250 lbs this season.

[1slow93turbo]

Nice update! And nice 9 second pass...Newb, lol.

Ha ha thanks, thats the plan and hopefully I can get this pig down the track!

[1slow93turbo]

Nice numbers and 37-38 psi on E85 is awesome.

Thank you! This car has always liked the weird fuel! It also never gives up and always wants more but this it a good start for a completely new setup.

[BostinSwifty38]

Im jealous. Maybe not with the lag so much, but I'm jealous.

-A. Swift

[Die-Civic-Die]

Definately laggy, but that 400hp jump from 6000rpm to 8000rpm is just crazy.
I want to see a run with a spool up shot added

[91TSiGuy]

This came together nicely, Jason. Thanks for the support!

[0lmytsi]

Very nice!

[1slow93turbo]

Thank guys!

Brent I appreciate you and Jim working with me and getting the manifolds out the door! Might hit the track next weekend.

[eagle claw]

No pictures of the finished product?

[Black_ bullet]

Your car has no power under 5500rpms LOL
Nice numbers, and cool that you are running the fuel system out that far with e85.
If you were all gutted out like everyone else whos in the 9s I dont see why you wouldnt be close to knocking on 8's door !!!

Nice build!

[1slow93turbo]

No pictures of the finished product?

It will never be finished ha ha. I've been working out of town and also fixing a few things on the car and if the weather is nice this weekend I will take some more pics.

[1slow93turbo]

Your car has no power under 5500rpms LOL
Nice numbers, and cool that you are running the fuel system out that far with e85.
If you were all gutted out like everyone else whos in the 9s I dont see why you wouldnt be close to knocking on 8's door !!!

Nice build!


I plan on putting in race gas and turning the boost up to 45 psi and spraying it too. It might go high 8's then but it will be hard on stuff. I actually put the stock seats back in because I like the feel of them. I am going to try to get it on the scales again this weekend.

Thanks!

[eagle claw]

What was your old turbo you ran 989 on?

[1slow93turbo]

Turbonetics T72 p-trim .96 a/r, 38-39 psi 50-60 shot. This new engine made 684 @ 30 psi and the old one made 550 @ 30 psi. I am playing with the wastegates now since all I can get with the twin 38's and 21 psi springs is 37 psi. I have the springs to make them 23.5 psi base but I want to try something before I put the stiffer springs in.

[eagle claw]

Ah I see.

[turbosteve]

Cant wait to see the car in action. Update us on the wastegate issue. Its weird twin gates arent handling the boost.

[1slow93turbo]

Weather is suppose to get nicer by Thursday so hopefully I can finish a few things and clean it up a bit. For the mean time I came across another wheel setup!!

Got these locally from a friend. For those of you who do not know these are the FD RX7 wheels powercoated black. The tires are new Mickey Thompson 255/50/16 drag radials.

I might sell the other drag setup which consists of Hoosier QTP's 26/9.5/16 on RSL wheels if I decide to run these.


BEFORE

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1113/dscn1103l.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn1103l.jpg)
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NOW: Sorry weather is still nasty and car is very dusty :-(

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/5010/dscn1656.jpg (http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn1656.jpg)
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[MyBoostedGST]

Those wheels are BEAUTIFUL!!!

Can't wait to see it run.

[BostinSwifty38]

I need traction..

-A. Swift

[turbosteve]

Let me know on your wheel setup! I need something sticky!

[lilredeclipse]

Do you know how many people are refreshing the F/S section waiting for those hoosiers to show up on there now!! :D

I know I am!

Great numbers on the dyno!

[1slow93turbo]

^^ LOL, everything is for sale :-)


Make some offers. I am considering a full blown slick setup anyways. Add 3% for Paypal.

[turbosteve]

pm sent

[1slow93turbo]

Responded, thanks Steve and you have first dibs if I let them go.