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: Hta 3073


cupa-joe
05-19-2011, 10:59 AM
I emailed fp and talk to them about my goals and he recommended me the fp 3073 which they do not list on their website. So does anyone have experience or info on this turbo?

Looking Into the hta dsm82 but want to keep turbo lag under 4k.

cupa-joe
05-19-2011, 03:27 PM
Okay found out that the fp3073 flows 54lbs per minute. Realistically what kind of power would I expect from this turbo on 93oct, stock block, and built head with 272's?

hawaiifiveoh
05-19-2011, 04:57 PM
205 rwhp.

cupa-joe
05-19-2011, 05:13 PM
205 rwhp.

Thanks for the help. :rolleyes:

CrackedDSM
05-20-2011, 04:43 AM
Not too sure about the HTA3073 to be perfectly honest, but I know that 47 lbs/min is good for 440awhp(friend of mine made that with his 68HTA), so I would guesstimate 54 lbs/min would be good for at LEAST 500awhp? More? Less?

Every setup is different, and no two engines are the same, sadly. So while two engines that have equal mods in every way, one will make more HP, the other will make less, so it really all depends. I'd guess very conservatively 500whp though. But honestly for your setup, I would just go with a 20G, or an HX35 in a BEP bolt on .55 a/r housing. Quick spool, awesome power, miles of top end. I'd go with a bolt on 20G, and some 272 cams, as well as the mods you got right now, with the addition of some 750-880 injectors so you could run some decent boost. With that you'd be making some nice power. :D

cupa-joe
05-20-2011, 06:18 AM
I was thinking the same number as you should be no problem with 54lbs. But since you mentioned the 20g I might go ahead and look into it. Also that turbo would be alot easier for me to get and sooner the better right?;)

Thanks for the advice.

cupa-joe
05-22-2011, 06:53 AM
Not too sure about the HTA3073 to be perfectly honest, but I know that 47 lbs/min is good for 440awhp(friend of mine made that with his 68HTA), so I would guesstimate 54 lbs/min would be good for at LEAST 500awhp? More? Less?

Every setup is different, and no two engines are the same, sadly. So while two engines that have equal mods in every way, one will make more HP, the other will make less, so it really all depends. I'd guess very conservatively 500whp though. But honestly for your setup, I would just go with a 20G, or an HX35 in a BEP bolt on .55 a/r housing. Quick spool, awesome power, miles of top end. I'd go with a bolt on 20G, and some 272 cams, as well as the mods you got right now, with the addition of some 750-880 injectors so you could run some decent boost. With that you'd be making some nice power. :D

I was looking around and this is what I found. The Blouch 20g is bolt on and is $875(Blouch any good?) Then there is the FP 20g for $539 but is not direct bolt on because it is T3 flanged. So I will either have to get a MHI tdo5 hotside or get a T3 manifold. So If could cost me a few hundred dollars unless I find myself a used td05 hotside. So at that rate If I'm already in the ballpark of $8-900 would it be worth looking into the hta68?

Let me know what you think.

cupa-joe
05-26-2011, 01:16 PM
Crackeddsm, you buddy who made 440hp with the hta68 was that on pump?

CrackedDSM
05-26-2011, 01:39 PM
Yeah, 93 octane. Pump gas around here is like race gas, I swear. Another friend of mine runs 36psi of boost off of a 35r, with 12.0 afrs to 15 psi, 11.8 to full boost, and running something like 21 degrees of timing with 0 knock.


Granted, this is all on JACKAL and WEREWOLF SPEED DENSITY. :D ECMLink results not guaranteed. ;)


I was looking around and this is what I found. The Blouch 20g is bolt on and is $875(Blouch any good?) Then there is the FP 20g for $539 but is not direct bolt on because it is T3 flanged. So I will either have to get a MHI tdo5 hotside or get a T3 manifold. So If could cost me a few hundred dollars unless I find myself a used td05 hotside. So at that rate If I'm already in the ballpark of $8-900 would it be worth looking into the hta68?

Let me know what you think.

You realize ANY 14b/16G style hotside will bolt right up to that 20G right? You can take your small 16G's hotside, port it to hell and back and throw it on no issues. That way you'd have a $540 bolt on 20G. It's what I plan on doing if I give up on the HX35. :D

cupa-joe
05-26-2011, 02:13 PM
Yeah I noticed this gas is crazy Im still running the stock sidemount on the gvr4 and not alot of knock.

Yeah I know that I can use the hotside off my s16g. The only problem for me would be that I have to clock the turbo so its forward facing because of the limited space under the manifold its going to need to go over like stock. If I did that I will need to run external wastegate because the wastegate would'nt line up.

I would like to eventually get the ETS fmic kit so I'm trying to make sure what ever direction I go it won't make things harder later.

CrackedDSM
05-26-2011, 02:21 PM
You could keep the compressor outlet facing downwards, and just modify your stock LICP to work with the 20G. You can drill and tap two holes in the compressor housing when you do that, so your actuator would line up. There's a lot of spots on the 20G's compressor housing where you can drill and tap without penetrating the compressor housing, so don't let that worry you.

Gamble
05-26-2011, 03:19 PM
A good rule of thumb is 10hp for every 1lb of airflow. So for example if you flow 30lb/min you are making 300hp. 40lb/min = 400hp.
This is a very GENERAL rule, YMMV.

SLEEPS
05-26-2011, 03:27 PM
...You realize ANY 14b/16G style hotside will bolt right up to that 20G right? You can take your small 16G's hotside, port it to hell and back and throw it on no issues. That way you'd have a $540 bolt on 20G. It's what I plan on doing if I give up on the HX35. :D

He is lying. :P

...I would like to eventually get the ETS fmic kit so I'm trying to make sure what ever direction I go it won't make things harder later.

True, true. You would prolly be good with a evo3 turned up to like 20psi. So, if you do get a front mount, let me know, that "small but large" side mount would like to fit in the truck. :D

19GSX97
05-26-2011, 03:38 PM
I have a borg warner s256 ET and the lag isnt bad at all and it pulls pretty good. Its rated for like 55 or 56 lbs/min. Not too bad on the price either. Gets to 23 lbs at like 3800 rpm's ish. I like this turbo a lot better than my 16g I had... Which is pretty much the same as the t28. I say get that fp turbo, a holset, or even a s256/s258. Or if your really cool get one of the EFR turbos.. They're badass!

cupa-joe
05-26-2011, 06:35 PM
Thanks gamble now I'll atleast have an idea when looking at a turbo.

Sleeps, when I pull that small thing I call my intercooler you will be the first to know.

I'm really leaning towards something like the blouch 20g or hta68 because I could get the ets kit and when I upgrade my turbo it will still be direct bolt on. I just have not heard to much about blouch so I'm a bit unsure.

CrackedDSM
05-26-2011, 07:24 PM
If you are going to spend $900 on a turbo just because it's easier I'm not sure what to tell you. If you spend that $900 on an ETS kit first, next upgrade you buy could be that 20G.

cupa-joe
05-26-2011, 08:08 PM
If you are going to spend $900 on a turbo just because it's easier I'm not sure what to tell you. If you spend that $900 on an ETS kit first, next upgrade you buy could be that 20G.

Well shit I just found another picture with the ets kit and looks like I can get the kit to come with a different inlet that goes under the manifold vs over. So with that said It won't be much harder to run a downward facing turbo. ETS kit + MHI 20g = Lots of fun.

Gamble
05-26-2011, 08:15 PM
I don't see why you guys spend $900 on a 20g when there are by far better turbos out there for that price. I would rather run a 6262 for $820 than a $900 20g turbo or 50trim.

CrackedDSM
05-27-2011, 12:07 AM
I don't see why you guys spend $900 on a 20g when there are by far better turbos out there for that price. I would rather run a 6262 for $820 than a $900 20g turbo or 50trim.



The 20G in question is the TD05H 20G that comes with the T3 housing you can get from FP's website for $540 and use any 16G style turbine housing to make it bolt on. I am against the 68HTA for $900, I'm definitely with you on the better turbos for $900 idea.

SLEEPS
05-27-2011, 02:50 PM
...Sleeps, when I pull that small thing I call my intercooler you will be the first to know.

Sweet. And your car looks mucho' good in person. Loved it. So did all the people apparently. :P

CrackedDSM
05-27-2011, 02:55 PM
Sweet. And your car looks mucho' good in person. Loved it. So did all the people apparently. :P


You bastards met without me?


:mad::chair:

SLEEPS
05-27-2011, 03:04 PM
Im swore I PMed you.

NY 95 TSI AWD
05-27-2011, 06:24 PM
You bastards met without me?


:mad::chair:

Yup :).

Gotta agree with sleeps. The car was nice.

CrackedDSM
05-27-2011, 07:53 PM
We all gotta meet out at holt again one of these nights...

cupa-joe
05-28-2011, 11:35 AM
Yeah haha I'm surprised as many people knew what it was because last week not one person walked over to the car. We definitely need to all meet up at holt soon. Maybe next weekend?

cupa-joe
05-29-2011, 08:02 AM
Thanks for the kind words, glad some people appreciate the grandpa car. :P any of you guys know a place near by that could port the shit out of my hotside and not cost me an arm and a leg.

SLEEPS
05-30-2011, 02:51 PM
Uhhh.... honestly no. The only "good" performance shop I know of round here is Lorang or whatever its called in niceville. There is on shop on race track but they are kinda so so from what I have heard, but I dont know them personally. RPM, its right behind the paint store at the beginning of racetrack next to waffel house.