Has anyone ever gotten a four wheel burnout??

[DiamondsR4EVR]

I've always wanted to see a DSM do a four wheel burnout.
I also wanted to do one in my car someday :D Has anyone ever seen this done? Is it possible? About what horsepower/torque level would you have to achieve?

Jesse
99 GSX

[ecoli]

I can get all 4 of my tires to spin, but I don't exactly stay still and do a burnout.

[DiamondsR4EVR]

Originally posted by ecoli
I can get all 4 of my tires to spin, but I don't exactly stay still and do a burnout.

Hey Ecoli, those wouldn't happen to be SSR Integral rims on your car would they?

[ecoli]

Nope, they are Lenso VPDs.

[Peter 92TSI]

Usually it takes a large amout of power to break all 4 wheels free.

With an act 2600 I can the front tires to start spining on my friends GSX. :D

[Junior]

I get smoke and wheelspin buti only sit in the same spot for a sec or 2.

[DanGSX]

The only time I've been able to get all 4 wheels spinning was when it was raining out.

Of course no burnout then, but it was freakin cool. Some idiot in a Chevy Camaro SS was trying to race me. I was going 60mph and in third gear before he even made it all the way through the intersection... :)

[WhatsADSM]

I dont get it... I can spin the tires for a split second in my 91 GSX which doesn't have many mods and is an AUTO! I just break torque and torque stall at like 3200 let of the break and I fell and hear them all break for a split second (fronts break first).

Well actually just a week ago I spun them all for about a block, but I guess the snow may have had something to do with that =].

____________
Murray
My car (please let me know why I can get them all to break for a split second): small 16g unported - unclipped, 2g Exhaust Mani, plugs/wires, K&N cut box, 3' Thermal cat-back, Extreme UIC w/tb elbow, AVC-R set at like 14.5 psi.

[EclipseGSX99]

ye that kind of sucks that GSXs cannot do burnouts like FWD or RWD can do...damn, if there was a way that you could change from FWD to AWD that would rule, but hey, AWD is for great launching right? and it makes sense that you couldn't stay still and have all 4 tires smoking...but I wish I could see that (at least on the video)

[DSMing91]

Originally posted by rix
The only time I've been able to get all 4 wheels spinning was when it was raining out.

Of course no burnout then, but it was freakin cool. Some idiot in a Chevy Camaro SS was trying to race me. I was going 60mph and in third gear before he even made it all the way through the intersection... :)



yeah i had something like that similar happen to me. mine was against my friends 300Z thats now being made into a project car. it was pouring rain outside and we where sitting at the light waiting for it to change. he rolls down his window yelling "lets race from the light". so i was like "ok". anyway light turns green and my car took off while he just sat there spinning. i thought he backed out, but later tells me he was there spinning the whole time LOL. he wouldn't budge abit. gotta love an AWD turbo car;).

[sab4you]

Originally posted by WhatsADSM
I dont get it... I can spin the tires for a split second in my 91 GSX which doesn't have many mods and is an AUTO! I just break torque and torque stall at like 3200 let of the break and I fell and hear them all break for a split second (fronts break first).

Well actually just a week ago I spun them all for about a block, but I guess the snow may have had something to do with that =].


Probably have crappy/worn tires...

[97TSiAWD]

Hehe, AWD in the snow. Part of the excuse I used to get my parents to buy the '97 TSi AWD was that it would be safer on snow. HOw wrong I was. :) Instead of spinning the front wheels like on my old Grand Am, I just spin all four. Fun stuff and at least it is controllable (somewhat).

Snow would be MUCH better if it didn't include this "car-uglifying" rock salt. My Talon looks like sh-- right now.

Jon

[turbo=good]

4 wheel burnout?
.....Na, I got a FWD. But I think I could pull it off with a hard brake along with the E-brake.

[gsxalex]

i do a 4 wheel burnout nearly every time i race. I haven't had any luck getting consistent launces by slipping the clutch, so i usualy dump the clutch from 5500 and set the tires ablaze for maybe a second. I get fairly consistent 1.8 60fts in my high thirteen second car. I would unduobtedly do better if i could slip my clutch. Oh well. People go nuts when they see me break all fours.

Just a word of caution, make sure your driveline is nice and tight before you try this. i usually pull my e-brake while staging to ensure there is no slack that could slam together and break something.

[DSMing91]

you guys have me curious now. tell me this. when you do a 4 wheel burnout, do you hear your tires screetch? i mean, i've done plenty of "off the line lounches" and all, but when you hear your tires screetch, does that mean i did an AWD burnout? or are those just my fronts screetching???
don't the front tires spin more harder then the back??
just asking cause i'm not sure i did an AWD burnout yet.

[DiamondsR4EVR]

Well I can scratch off alittle bit, but a real burnout is when you aren't going ANYWHERE and there is smoke pouring out of your wheel wells. I'm talking about a real torque monster burnout. I was just wondering if its possible.
Wouldn't it be cool to light all four tires at the local street scene and fish tail alittle bit. I wonder if Syclones/Typhoons have problems doing this too?

Jesse
99 GSX

[ecoli]

Its really hard to stay still with 4 tires spinning and no e-brake to hold you still. Hell, I once accidentally did a GTech 0-60 run with my e-brake fully engaged, it was still in the 5s... I did wonder why the car felt so slow, and slowed down so fast during the 1-2 shift. I have tried to talk people into standing infront of my car and holding it still so that I can try to do a burnout, but they never help.



[Edited by ecoli on 12-09-2000 at 08:33 PM]

[DanGSX]

I don't think you could convince me to stand in front of your car either Shane :).

[DSMing91]

Originally posted by DiamondsR4EVR
Wouldn't it be cool to light all four tires at the local street scene and fish tail alittle bit.
Jesse
99 GSX

Now that would be sick as hell.

[EclipseGSX99]

I think you could do a 4 wheel burnout, ONLY if you had enough power. After all the kool upgrades that you guys list I still can't figure out why you can't spin those 4 wheels!

[ecoli]

We can spin them. We just take off and hit 60 mph within 4 seconds while they are all spinning too.

[EclipseGSX99]

4s? that's close to Viper's 0-60.
SWEET!!!

[ecoli]

I know me and Krish are in the 3s. Any AWDs running the 1/4 in low 12s is probably in the 3s 0-60.

[EclipseGSX99]

3s!? damn, I just can't imagine how quick that's gotta be.
it prolly pulls your body to your seats big time huh?
what do you have in your car to get your acceleration SO FAST?

[ecoli]

I have a T3/T4, FMIC, AFC, ACT 2600, etc, and a bad driver. I think Krish has a 16G, etc and a good driver...

[Disinfo]

I got a Honda so I probably don't know anything :D

I've seen a 4 wheel burnout - the car was a heavily modded R32 Skyline GTS-4 (I think it has the RB25DET). It was amazing, the car sat in the middle of the street and burned out, didn't move far at all.

I've also seen an early 90s VR4 Galant do the same, except it wasn't nearly as spectacular. I'm fairly sure both cars had already fried their tyres, as it was quite late in the night :)

It's definately possible, it just takes heaps of torque :)

Oh, and before someone calls Bullshit I'm in New Zealand, both these cars are very common

[EclipseGSX99]

thats KOOL, if you find any videos about that let me know

[mavisky]

i know its possible. i saw TOmmi Makkinen's EVO do it at some rally in thailand. he celebrated the win by dumping it at what sounded like about 5000 and threw the wheel all the way to the left. the car just spun around its center and layed down some serious smoke and tracks. coolest thing i've ever seen. and he id it on street slicks.

[NosLaser]

Quick question... Besides the fact that it may "look cool" why would you want to do an AWD burnout? Isn't that why you got an AWD, to NOT spin your tires? Man, I wish my car didn't spin...but alas it's fwd. I can do a burnout at 80mph in 3rd gear..does that count? :)

[Junior]

Originally posted by NosLaser
I can do a burnout at 80mph in 3rd gear..does that count? :)


PHATNESS!!! That must be real kick ass to pull up to someone on the highway and do a burn out for them! PS. what do you run?

[NosLaser]

Hehe...people are usually pretty surprised when my bone stock looking Laser pulls up next to them, and rips the tires loose. The car is a small 16g car hailing out of the DSM Shop (www.thedsmshop.com) and also runs an 80 shot of NOS. I have yet to pull off a good pass (I only ran the car once) but it went 12.80 at 116 letting off the gas at the 1000 foot mark because I had leaned out the AFC a bit due to fuel cut on a cold night, and it started to run a little leaner than I wanted so I backed out. The list of cars I have beaten on the street is long though. They include (but are not limited to) a Lambo Diablo with NOS, he ran 11.2 at 126 we went from like 70-140 and I put almost 3 cars on him, A supercharged Viper, I don't know what he ran but it was faster than the Lambo, I beat him by about a car and change from the same speeds. We are guestimating the car to run in the mid-high 120's...it's simply a matter of getting the traction limited fwd to make a full hard pass on the slicks. On the one pass I made, I missed 2nd gear, granny shifted, and let off in the beg of 4th gear and coasted to a 116. It ran 91 mph in the 1/8th mile and I usually pick up 30-32mph from the 1/8th to the quarter. I will keep everyone posted as I make a full pass..I just installed 660's so I'm tuning (again). Did I mention this is my ONLY car? My daily driver. And it's also a small unclipped 16g with the STOCK SIDEMOUNT IC and STOCK rubber intercooler piping. :) If you want your DSM to run like this, you are welcome to contact the DSM Shop for full details. I can't WAIT till the TSO4 and front mount go on :) For right now, I'm chasing the fastest 16g mph...Dave Buschur currently holds that record with a 121.83 on a 100 shot in an AWD. I know I have more mph than that, but I need to run the car and make it official. The car also has full interior, AC, power steering, CD player, etc.

[rallytalon]

Ok you pump the gas pedal and you DROP the clutch at 5500 rpm. My car was able to do awd burnouts and eaven donuts on dry tarmac. I had a centerforce clutch and it held very well. Also worn tires! Andy

[WhoaTed]

I know me and Krish are in the 3s. Any AWDs running the 1/4 in low 12s is probably in the 3s 0-60. I clicked a 3.9 on the street before I got rid of my GTech.

[97TSiAWD]

Got rid of the G-tech? Why? It's so much fun. :) Try it on different roads, after different mods. I may even try it on a snowy road once (if I have the balls). :D

Jon

[nukefission]

Just be careful of dumping the clutch at 5.5k, so that what happened to this guy doesn't happen to you:

http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=2411

;)

[WhoaTed]

Got rid of the G-tech? Why? It's so much fun. I got rid of it last year when I was going to the track regularly. I really wanted it just for 1/4 mile and when you can get a timeslip why bother with a Gtech estimate?

One of the last times I used it, there was a cop hiding in a spot on my 1/4 mile test strip :) where I had never seen one before. I roared by, external wastegate open, and slammed on the brakes when I saw him. He didn't pull out, not even a flash of his lights. That was another reason I got rid of it... I decided keeping the test and tunes at the track was a better idea considering my dmv record. :)

[Speaker]

what kind of boost are you running on pump gas?

when does that big hybrid of yours spool? is it one of the ceramic ball-bearing varieties?
i'm trying to decide on a turbo... i want something to put me in the 11s... no NOS... pump gas... if thats possible

[ecoli]

I try to keep it at 20psi on the street, sometimes hard with a manual controller. I don't know exactly when it spools, but it is pretty laggy. If I had the .48 A/R turbine side instead of the .63, it would probably spool much better. It is not ball bearing.

[Speaker]

any extra work needed to put the T3/T4 on?

that sounds absolutely badass... what size injector are you running/would you suggest for a turbo that big

[EclipseGSX99]

ecoli, what is the quickest 0-60mph 2g GSX Eclipse that you know or heard of? The fastest I've heard of so far was you. How quick can our GSXs go that are heavily modded?

[ecoli]

A T3/T4 requires a little bit of custom installing. I had to visit the hardware store a few times and get a 90 degree elbow welded onto the compressor outlet. I didn't exactly have an install kit. It could still use some work. You do need a special O2 sensor housing though, the stock one won't bolt up.

I run 720s, I would probably recommend 660s. I am close to the edge of tunability. I run about -40 on the AFC on race gas, if I didn't have 3 of the 4 honeycombs out, I might be past the -50 tunable range of the AFC.

Eclipse99GSX, I dunno. I am just guessing at my times from GTech runs and that 0-60 1/8 mile time calculator. I am pretty sure Krish would beat me off the line and from 0-60. Me, Krish, and WhoaTed have all run about 7.9secs in the 1/8th mile, there are alot guys faster than that. Brent Rau has run the 1/8th in 5.9 secs :) I need to make better use of my power and get into the mid 7s. Traction starts to become an issue even with AWDs at this point though.

[overboostTSI]

There is a video here of a modded 11sec stealth doing a burnout http://www.dynamicracing1.com/Race_Videos/race_videos.html

Also you can do burnouts in an awd if you cut the wheel and pop the clutch(donuts). My brother downloaded some kool videos of Mitsu lancer Evo VI and impreza WrX but I can't find the link now.

[HRC Engineering]

I rented an AWD Suzuki Somethin-or-other while at a race in Gainesville. The only way we could get it to spin all four was to get it rolling in reverse, then punch it and pull the shifter down into drive! This was a source of hilarity for us for a little while, until I got too excited and went too fast from reverse to drive without letting the RPM's climb while in neutral in-between...something gave up (imagine that!), and the crunching sounds made me cringe!

Thankfully, the rental company was nice enough to bring me another car to drive.......

Kids, do not try this at home.

[MoBoost]

Wonna see a DSM do a 4 wheel burn out? Check out the first US commercial for Eclipse (November 1989). Too bad i don't have it anymore - it was on Buschur's shootout tape (199?).
Anyway - the car does 4 wheel spin in the sand (not a burn out - but looks super SWEET).
Hope somebody can capture and post it too!

[2L8ULUZ]

i can get a set of 245 50 zr 16 firehawks to go up in smoke
6250 and side step !!! i stay still for about 3 to 4 sec then it starts to pull forward they spin all the way through first and part of second. will post video in spring car is hibernating for the winter. aka (more mods).

[1BADDSM]

Do you know how many horses your 99 GSX have? I'm waiting for the day my Talon will go 0-60 in under 4s. I think I'll limit myself to about 350 hp since any more than that requires the ACT 2600, I only want a ACT 2100. It isn't a daily driver now (resting in pole barn), but it may be some day.

http://www.geocities.com/baddsm/talon/drvtalon.jpg
sorry pic is so big, need to make a thumbnail.


91 Grand Prix, 92 Talon TSi AWD
My Cars:
http://www.geocities.com/baddsm

[4npower]

Originally posted by nukefission
Just be careful of dumping the clutch at 5.5k, so that what happened to this guy doesn't happen to you:
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=2411;)

hehe, yeah kids don't try to do burnouts at the track, on the street is ok but at the track you will break.

[1QWK4]

Well I was fortunate to do a burn out late last summer when I raced a Turbo 2G Spyder from a stand still from a 4way stop sign. I left a nice 4 wheel patch of markings. Oh and I handed that guy in the 2G Turbo spyder his arse too while his girl friend was talking on her cell phone the whole race. I had to race that guy becuase his car was not stock. His plates said "Playtme" and he was cocky (he would not talk to us after the race). Piece of advice to Dsmers, don't ask a fellow DSMer to ride with you during a race to watch your gauges (EGTs/O2s), because they tend to watch the other guys girl friend the whole race lol. They won't remember how much you won by either, they only remember how hot the girl was. Shane you can ask Jesse (MN-DSMer) about it, he can describe the girl but not the burn out..hehehe.


93 TSI AWD (Storage/Frank3)
92 TSI AWD (Daily Driver)

[ecoli]

Originally posted by 1BADDSM
Do you know how many horses your 99 GSX have? I'm waiting for the day my Talon will go 0-60 in under 4s. I think I'll limit myself to about 350 hp since any more than that requires the ACT 2600, I only want a ACT 2100. It isn't a daily driver now (resting in pole barn), but it may be some day.


I don't have any exact numbers on my HP. Never been to a dyno or anything. I would guess about 400HP to the wheels from the numbers I get using a HP calculator and my 1/4 mile trap speeds.


Shane you can ask Jesse (MN-DSMer) about it, he can describe the girl but not the burn out..hehehe.


Sounds like Norm. :) Has Jesse got a Frank Level 81 for his new car yet? He saw what a babe magnet my car is, I know thats why he had to get the same...

[Z1500]

Its not exactly a smokey burnout, but here is a pic. of my car spinning all four. I'm the black car. You can tell they are all spinning because my 5spoke wheels are just a blur, even though I'm only 6 inches off the line.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1134047&a=8329507&p=40384969

Kevin 90GSX

[MoBoost]

Nice pic man ... very nice :)!!!

[DIRT_RACER]

I did one in 2nd gear once in my old Tsi. I was leaving the Farm show and all the big trucks had coated the main road with mud. Before I knew it the I had the car sideways, scaring the shit out of my girlfriend. I also did on at a dry intersection before, this time intentionally. They spun for maybe a second at the most, still pretty cool.

[Lancer GSR]

My Lancer can do a 4-wheel burn-out, It is no smoke show mind you but all 4 will definetely get goin round, on dry pavement. It is possibly due to the composition of Japanese roads though, the concrete they use is mixed with lots and lots of beach sand which contains coral, VERY slippery stuff. If it rains after a long dry spell, there is a very fine powder build-up and it gets very slick till it washes away.

[SldSnk]

I’ve seen a couple pics of 4 wheel burnouts. One was a supercharged 5.9 jeep jerokee the other was of a F-150 lightning. They looked awesome. The ford was on airport tarmac with the back end strapped to the tydowns for airplanes and they used dish soap on the tires. I imagine the same thing would be possible but that’s a lot of stress on the drive train.

[Boostd4]

Every since I got my ACT 2600, AWD burnouts are no problem.

You know when you're doing one, because the rear end steps out. If you just hear screaching, it's probably just the fronts. When the whole car moves sideways, you know you broke the backs loose :)

I launch out of the toll booths at 5000 rpm with a quick slip and my rear comes out about 1-2" everytime. And that's on some sticky-ass Yok 235's.

FWIW, the ACT makes 2nd gear chirps everytime, as well.

For the guy who only wants 350hp so he can use a 2100 - DON'T BOTHER. The 2600 with the street disc is PERFECTLY streetable. The clutch effort is heavier, but after 1-2 weeks, you don't even notice. Mine doesn't chatter, hop, anything. Engages EXACTLY like stock just a little heavier, but I don't even notice it anymore. In fact when I get into other DSMs, I always get the feeling like the clutch is about to go, because it's so light.

Adam

[Toolvw]

when the center diff went out on my AWD my car was a rear wheel drive car for about 3 days. i think i had more fun in those 3 days! I could peel out and get sideways and hold it through 2nd gear! like a mustang! and doughnuts! oh how fun! then the fun ended with transmission parts on the road.

[SldSnk]

lol what I wouldent give for a rear wheel drive talon.

[miamigsx]

the engine is mounted incorrectly for rwd...it would have to be horisontally mounted wich probably wouldn't leave room for the turbo??? if it would it would be great because we wouldn't need a transfer case and mitsu could have blessed us with stronger driveline parts not to mention less weight

[mavisky]

checkout buschur's talon. not the most streetable thing ever but he got the rearwheel drive thing down. and when i was at the shootout two years ago he laid a nice long burnout that was about halfway down the track on his slicks. real nice looking.

[ecoli]

He should have his new tube-frame RWD 97 body Eclipse at the ShootOut this year.

[SPoOLxExO]

What if you got a 2600, welded center diff, and a one-piece drive shaft, think you could pop the front axles out??? Your ALL gonna tell me i'm an idoit. (I know, I seen the flames in this forum ;) )
This way you wouldn't have to do anything related with re-structuring the engine mounts!!!
I can see it now.....of those who are fairly educated about DSM's......
"Yeah, you can smoke my TT Supra, but you can't smoke 'em, HA HA!"
DSM driver procedes to annihilate rear meats with the fury only a modded 4G63 can deliver....
TT Supra owner (With jaw fully extended) now contemplates (secretly) about getting a DSM......
MwwwWWWWWaaaAAAAAAHAaaaAAAAhHAAAAAAAA!!!

[DiamondsR4EVR]

On Team Rip's website Jon says with the welded center diff you can whip the rear end around fairly easily assuming you have a decent number mods of course. I fish tailed the other night in 2nd gear racing a Prelude b/c I had alittle mud and my tires and I REALLY LIKED it :) Wish I could do it more often!


Jesse
99 GSX

[ecoli]

Move to MN and you can do it 6 months out of the year in the snow. :)

[Toolvw]

when my center diff went and only the rear wheels drove i got sideways as easy as pie. im positive the fronts werent helping at all. it only lasted 3 days until the transmission blowed up but the rear end, xfr case, and everything else held up perfectly fine. i even dumped my clutch a couple from high rpm's. and i dont have a wuss clutch, i have a clutchmasters 4 puck? so knowing this i would say it would hold up for a while! and be a kick ass fun while!

[DiamondsR4EVR]

I would really like to disable my rear wheel or front wheel drive so I could get on a dyno. Can this be done easily?

Jesse
99 GSX

[NosLaser]

<<I would really like to disable my rear wheel or front wheel drive so I could get on a dyno. Can this be done easily?>>

You need a welded center diff and then you can remove the driveshaft from the T case and dyno the front wheels.

[92talonAWD]

right now I think my center diff is busted because in a sharp turn at low speed, the tires sometimes spin a little and than catch, and the car drives like the handbrake is on. Maybe i can do some rwd action :) Originally posted by 97TSiAWD
Hehe, AWD in the snow. Part of the excuse I used to get my parents to buy the '97 TSi AWD was that it would be safer on snow. HOw wrong I was. :) Instead of spinning the front wheels like on my old Grand Am, I just spin all four. Fun stuff and at least it is controllable (somewhat).

Snow would be MUCH better if it didn't include this "car-uglifying" rock salt. My Talon looks like sh-- right now.

Jon Since I live in florida, I used the excuse of rain and "florida ice" (when it rains and the water and the oil on the road get together and make it very slippery)to get my talon awd. My parents think it is too fast for me since it is my first car, and I do also which is why i'm taking it easy and want to go to a driving school to learn how to dive well.

[Edited by 92talonAWD on 03-08-2001 at 10:45 PM]

[Eclipseboy]

http://www.taner.net/movies/Best_Motoring-Mitsubishi_EVO.mpg

http://www.duen.hu/video/DuEnMovie_Polus_Janika_Turi.jpg

[Eclipseboy]

This was not correct, sorry:

http://www.duen.hu/video/DuEnMovie_Polus_Janika_Turi.mpg

[niterydr]

my buddies '91 galant vr4 (#1062 of 2000) can do a awd burnout easily..well that was before he got some decent tires (dam uniroyal tiger paws). now he can only get all four to break out when corning in high rpm's, his galant is farily stock. a good friend of mine can burnout but he moves forward and to the left...its really cool to watch him spin 'em and then move over to another parking spot like 20' up w/o touching the steering wheel :) considering i just got my talon and only got to drive it for one day (engine blew up/yelled at dealer got new engine/get car back monday night; by the way the engine blew up the next day due to mechanical failure, oil filter and pressure, spun bearing, nuked engine, sad me :( ) i had fun with it. since its the 'winter season' all 7 months of it, i could burnout in snow. the best thing to do is to get abunch of turbo'd cars (awd of course) and play 'tag' on the ice. we had josh's talon ('92 tsi awd, older brother of john), john's galant vr-4, rich's '93 stealth rt/tt, and my '93 tsi awd, all on a lake in a huge circle spinning them like crazy chasing each other, now if only we remembered the camera, have to make a video of that next year have one of our friends on shore or something. awd burnouts are awesome, even if its just at the top of gears, especially when its next to a pusstang or a f-body. one thing i don't understand is the 'welded diff thing' im new to dsm's so im still a little shaky on terms. thanks all take care.

[MoBoost]

Last night, they've put too much water in the burn out area and it got splashed all over the staging area.
I did two AWD burnouts thru 1st gear! :)