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: Light Weight Wheels - Kosei K1


micropro_wright
02-23-2001, 11:47 AM
The Kosei K1 16x7.5 wheel is a nice looking 15.5# wheel for $159 @ tirerack.com. Does anyone have any good/bad experience with these wheels. I am going to get some new tires & lightweight wheels & these seem to be a good value for the $$.

MaxzillaSC
02-23-2001, 03:47 PM
I got them at discount tire. http://www.tire.com
I don't think they advertise them on their page but they
matched tireracks price.

Discount carriers nittos where as tirerack doesn't.

1BADDSM
02-23-2001, 04:12 PM
I'd just like to point out that most of the weight in your wheels are in the tires. Also, our OE rims are really light compared to most. I remember somebody saying that they could actually run a couple tenths faster with their OE set instead of his "lightweight" aftermarkets.

harry99GSX
02-23-2001, 04:19 PM
A friend of mine has them on his Civic. I dont think there quality/durability is much different then most of the other lower/mid priced wheels out. I would think that they would be fine for most purposes.

fatass92
02-23-2001, 04:37 PM
I have the 16x7.5 kosei's on my car. I am very happy with the Kosei's, over my stock rims(stock AWD 16's) they really seamed to help the handling, and made the car feel far tighter. Just for comparison, I was using the same tires on the stock wheels and then switched them over to Kosei's. I now run them with AVS S1's and it works pretty damn good. For $657 you can't really beat them. One problem is that the don't include or make center caps for the wheels, so the axle nuts will show. Another wheel you might want to check out is the Advan Racing RG- I looks pretty cool, is available in a bunch of colors and is just a hair lighter.

-JOHN

DSMTSI
02-23-2001, 04:43 PM
I just bought some for my 90 Talon 3 months ago
I like them so far.
Check out the photo on my webiste:

http://www.geocities.com/cadakr/DSM.htm

micropro_wright
02-23-2001, 05:41 PM
I ask about a number of the suggested street tires(205/55-16) for the Kosei K1, and the tire weight went from 21.5 # to 24 #. Can I run larger tires safely with this rim, ie 225. I suspect there are racing tires much lighter, but I need a all around tire at this point.

AWDDOHC
02-23-2001, 06:37 PM
Vplk TE-37's are only like 11 pounds for 16s

1BADDSM
02-23-2001, 07:45 PM
Can I run larger tires safely with this rim, ie 225.

My talon has 225s on its factory rims which is supposed to hold 205s, no problems.

fatass92
02-23-2001, 08:49 PM
I run 225/50/R16 AVS S1's with my kosei's they look perfectly square on the wheel, so you could probably go larger than that. AWDDOHC- The 17inch Te37 I looked at were 11.75 lbs each, and about $1900 for a set, yeah I wish I could afford that, but I would still rather spend 1900 on the engine than the wheels.

-JOHN

Brett GSX
02-23-2001, 09:18 PM
i got a set from tire rack for my winter set. threw some blizzaks on them.....no complaints. but the 16" K1's w/ tires are about 4lbs heavier each than my 18" CP10's w/ toyo t1-s tires.

i scored a used set of wheels from tire rack. $110 each, they were display models with only 1 tiny mark on them.
woody at tirerack was my rep, very cool guy, great help and scored me a nice deal

brett

AWDDOHC
02-23-2001, 11:02 PM
yeah, they are expensive, they don't look that bad to me since my next engine mod after the new turbo will be a whole new motor. Then again, that is forty pounds of rotating weight. I couldn't imagine that not giving you a noticable difference in ET

talontsiawd
02-25-2001, 05:52 PM
Does anyone have pictures of the k1's on a 2g talon or eclipse. I was also looking at these wheels and a picture on the car would help me make a decision.

NINJA7
02-26-2001, 02:08 PM
I just went to the store today to look at some wheels.
light ones of course. racing hart cp-035 9.5lbs @ $435 per wheel *sighhhhhhh*
I don't think so!
but I am still looking for light 16" wheels Forged or Titanium.
you guys have any sugg. let me know...I have some BBS on now but they are too soft.

micropro_wright
02-26-2001, 04:15 PM
http://www.tirerack.com lets you put up a picture of your car, select a color and put various wheels on it to see how they look....neat !!

talontsiawd
02-26-2001, 08:00 PM
Yeah, i always thought the tirerack picture was a cool feature but i want to see some different angles.

Endless
03-03-2001, 05:25 PM
actually the TE-37 is 9.71 pounds for a 17" wheel..and they're forged magnessium which means they wont bend..... and are very hard to break but they will chip becasue they are magnessium

AWDDOHC
03-04-2001, 10:49 AM
thank you for the info, endless. I was going off memory on that one, now that I know they are that much lighter I really want to get a pair. That would be almost 60lbs of rotating weight off the car, can't beat that.

Nick 92 TSi AWD
03-05-2001, 01:12 AM
Stock wheels weigh about 21lbs

Other options:
Enkei RPO1s
SSR integrals
SSR competions equal or just as light as the TE37s

K1s are a good wheel and yes you can run 225s just fine on them. I have 225s on my 16x7.5" Borbet type Es and my 16x7" Konig Tuners.

BoostLE
04-16-2002, 09:22 PM
People with 16x7.5 wheels, what offset are you running? I have a 98 gst and might be picking up a set of K1's tonight.tia.

BoostLE
04-17-2002, 11:07 AM
turns out they are 16x7.5 with 225/50's and a 32mm offset :( would i need some fender flares for it to work?:rudolph:

Radian
04-17-2002, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by BoostLE
turns out they are 16x7.5 with 225/50's and a 32mm offset :( would i need some fender flares for it to work?:rudolph:

Originally posted by talontsiawd
Does anyone have pictures of the k1's on a 2g talon or eclipse. I was also looking at these wheels and a picture on the car would help me make a decision.

I bought a set from Tirerack... Had to go round and round with them on the offset. For some stupid reason they still think our car's need 32mm offsets. I had to actually send them a picture of the wheel on the car to show them how far out the 32mm offset was. Eventually they sent me "custom machined" Kosei K-1's with 43mm offset. These fit great. The stock rims have a 46 mm offset. The maximum they said they could do with the Kosei K-1's was 43mm.

The downside was they can only machine the silver ones. I really wanted the white ones.

Anyway, I bought them with 225/50-R16 Kuhmo tires.

You can see a picture of my car with these wheels on my website

www.gate.net/~radian

99mmcgsx
04-17-2002, 04:48 PM
www.wheelweights.net

check it out....there are many other rims out there that are cheap and as light as the K1's, the K1's just seem to be popular, I think because tire rack always puts them in their ads.

Also, don't neglect tire weight. Its possible to get a light rim and a heavy tire and end up weighing the same total as before.

And yes, you'll notice the difference, trust me. (went from 30lbs to 14.5lbs each)

J

BoostLE
04-18-2002, 05:05 PM
so they took the 32mm wheel and machine the mounting surface to make it 43mm?

I ended up buying the K1's the other night. $300 for all 4, still in new condition with about 3/16" tread left on the AVS Intermediates.

BoostLE
04-18-2002, 05:15 PM
other light 16x7.5's are TE37, cp035s, and advan RG...expensive wheels. K1's are just good bang for the buck...if i can get it to fit.

i do like the rota's too, but the GB's flood the market with them and i hate seeing twins.

terminaltsi
04-18-2002, 08:02 PM
i dont know which stock wheels people are comparing to, but mine are heavy as hell! car was definitlye slower on 16 stock comapred to 17" 5Zigen wheels. K1's seem to be good quality.

Mannai
04-18-2002, 08:37 PM
who makes the widest 16s that would fit on a 2gen eclipse for the front.

some thing that wouldnt require me to order in special offset, or require to roll my fenders?

Pizzy
03-14-2004, 06:56 PM
The 16" K1's that were on my 2G GST rubbed in the rear although not the front. I'm lowered on Prokits and AGX's. I'm pretty sure the tires are 225/50/16. Was it the offset that made them rub or the tires? I'd like to keep these rims if it's just a tire issue, but if even 205s or 215s will give me rubing problems then it's not worth the effort to grind them down or whatever.

reptiles
05-17-2004, 02:42 AM
I just got a set of Kosei K1 Racing with Dunlop SP9000 DSST 225/50/16 from TireRack.

Dispite my concerns, they insisted that they know what offset my car needed... they are the "tire experts" etc.

Anyway, as of this writing, they still won't take them back because it is "just cosmetic" although technically the car shouldn't pass state inspection because the freaking tires stick out more than 2 inches on each side.

Here is a pic:

http://www.bioterrorism.jefferson.org/wheel.jpg

Regards,
Mark

Darksyne
05-17-2004, 06:15 AM
Originally posted by reptiles
I just got a set of Kosei K1 Racing with Dunlop SP9000 DSST 225/50/16 from TireRack.

Dispite my concerns, they insisted that they know what offset my car needed... they are the "tire experts" etc.

Anyway, as of this writing, they still won't take them back because it is "just cosmetic" although technically the car shouldn't pass state inspection because the freaking tires stick out more than 2 inches on each side.

Here is a pic:

http://www.bioterrorism.jefferson.org/wheel.jpg

Regards,
Mark

I was looking at getting these eventually. I thought Tire Rack would only do a 42mm offset. It looks like you got a 35-37mm offset?

shdow92talonNT
05-17-2004, 08:43 PM
I used to have a set of those wheels on my NT Talon....The car looked so Hot, and then one morning my car was stolen. When my car was located the wheels were gone :( I have a couple of pictures of her with those wheels on and I still shed a tear each time I look at them.
Sorry I saw this post and I had to vent.

Dallas J
05-17-2004, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by reptiles
I just got a set of Kosei K1 Racing with Dunlop SP9000 DSST 225/50/16 from TireRack.

Dispite my concerns, they insisted that they know what offset my car needed... they are the "tire experts" etc.

Anyway, as of this writing, they still won't take them back because it is "just cosmetic" although technically the car shouldn't pass state inspection because the freaking tires stick out more than 2 inches on each side.

Here is a pic:

http://www.bioterrorism.jefferson.org/wheel.jpg

Regards,
Mark

Maybe you can take those into a machine shop and get them machined since they wont take them back. But if I was you I would go higher than who ever you talked to last, and if nothing helps then go to the better business buereau. Thats BS that they told you thats the size you needed and it turned out to be that far off...What is the offset, like 10:eek: ... Even 35mm offsets usually only sit about 1/4-1/2"

-Dallas J

Eighty9tsi
05-18-2004, 07:17 AM
Hmm, so I take it that our car needs 43-47 mm of offset for the wheel to fit right? I just want to know in advance before I order some advans later on down the road.

Unrelated question, but do any of the evo's (3,4,5,6,6.5,7,8) have the same bolt pattern as ours? I think ours is what, 114.3? (I'll look it up, that might be the S13 bolt pattern:P ) I just was wondering in case I scored some old skool JDM SSR's or something that fits the evo.

Dallas J
05-18-2004, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by Eighty9tsi
Hmm, so I take it that our car needs 43-47 mm of offset for the wheel to fit right? I just want to know in advance before I order some advans later on down the road.

Unrelated question, but do any of the evo's (3,4,5,6,6.5,7,8) have the same bolt pattern as ours? I think ours is what, 114.3? (I'll look it up, that might be the S13 bolt pattern:P ) I just was wondering in case I scored some old skool JDM SSR's or something that fits the evo.


Im pretty sure all the EVOs have the same bolt patter, but different offset.

-Dallas J

Darksyne
05-19-2004, 06:49 AM
I know for the 1G's you want to keep the offset around 40mm. Stock is 46mm.

Mitsubishi, Toyota, Ford, Mazda all use the same bolt pattern I believe. 5x114.3 or 5x4.5

The Evo 8 rims are 17x8's 38mm offset

Eighty9tsi
05-19-2004, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by Darksyne
I know for the 1G's you want to keep the offset around 40mm. Stock is 46mm.

Mitsubishi, Toyota, Ford, Mazda all use the same bolt pattern I believe. 5x114.3 or 5x4.5

The Evo 8 rims are 17x8's 38mm offset

NO WAY!!!! Are you serious?! WOW, my options are limitless....

greenstreak
05-19-2004, 01:35 PM
Your options aren't unlimited because you will be limited by offset not only bolt pattern.

badboy93tsi
05-19-2004, 11:55 PM
While on topic...I have a few questions regard to Kosei K1's.

1. For street comfort and drag racing, which size is better; 16" or 17"

2. Is there a big noticable difference between the two size?

3. Which size would you rather buy?

Thanks!

95tsiawdgst
05-20-2004, 12:35 AM
I looked at them many times in the past and think 32mm is the lowest offset. I called years ago and they said I had to have 32s because they are 7.5"(or was it 8"?) wide. I didn't like the number so I never bought them. I have 35mm 7x17" wheels now and they are still at the inside edges of the fenders.