Fastest stock ET and MPH

[DSMRSTPOS]

i ran my car back in april in stock form and the best i could come up with was a 15.56@93.3mph..i also ran a 15.58@94.05 mph once. my question is that for a stock car, my MPH seems pretty high..is this average?? my tires are pretty bad and my 60' on both runs was a 2.6 Horrible to say the least.according the the fastest DSMs webpage..most cars in the 94 mph range are running 14.8...is that possible in a FWD car stock??

Mike

[smithbling]

The problem is traction. A higher MPH means worse traction. Therefore to run the 14.8 you need ethier more HP or some meaty dogs up front like drag radials!

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Turbo Boy

[DSMRSTPOS]

yeah i know my tires are bad..i plan on getting new ones..my question though is whether or not 94 mph is abnormally fast for a stock FWD turbo DSM. with that mph, if i had traction i would be in the high 14's..ive never heard of a FWD DSM running 14's stock.

Mike

[me]

My bone stock 2g fwd autp talon was running 15.5-15.6@101-103 consistantly. Once I did all the free mods and some basic tweaking to the crappy t-25 hair dryer, I got 15.1@91.32. I think I had some huge wheelspin or my car just took a crap. Although my 60' was 2.25 and a .867 rt. That was awhile ago before I spent my life savings into this pig. By the way I ran against a bone stock audi tt. He had some impressive times, 2.04 60', 9.54@72.2 1/8, 15.0@89.2 1/4

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Jonny
Got BOOST? Does a car good.

[PumaGSX]

When I first got my car brand new from the dealer back in 96 I waited to pass the engine break in period and raced the sucker a few months later. I ran it up in Sac and my stock times were...14.1, 14.0, 13.8 which was pretty cool for back then. All I had done was taken out the back seats, spare tire and had a BOV and intake. I consider that pretty damn stock. The 13.8 was after I poured in some VP racing fuel.

[92 Celica All-Trac]

Originally posted by PumaGSX
I ran it up in Sac and my stock times were...14.1, 14.0, 13.8 which was pretty cool for back then. All I had done was taken out the back seats, spare tire and had a BOV and intake. I consider that pretty damn stock. The 13.8 was after I poured in some VP racing fuel.

I'd have to see the timeslips to believe that. :) Even then I wouldn't know what mods you really had...

[greenstreak]

PumaGSX-that time sounds awfully low to me also for a stocker. Not saying you didn't do it but that is the lowest I have ever heard of anyone running *almost* stock. How has your car responded to mods since then?

[DSMRSTPOS]

Puma, when i said i ran my car stock, thats exactly what i meant. You said you took out your seats, had a BOV and intake, and ran race fuel. Even if you did run the times you claim, which i doubt, your car wasnt stock. My car was run stock, as it came from the factory, with 180,000 miles and and bad tires (actually i think the tires are worse than stock..they are T rated...yuck)the timing belt broke before i bought it and everything was fixed, but the car is still stock..i guess once i get better tires i will know for sure what my car can do.

Mike

[4npower]

boy, this is getting outta control. i'll be the first to say it....puma your lying about something. either the times or your mods. there is no way your car with a bov and an intake went 13.8. if it was tube framed i think maybe you could pull a 13.8. i don't know why these guys have to try to be cool and lie. ohh ok you got a mcclarin f1 engine in there. that's more believable....i think :D

bill

[SPOOM]

Here are the times for my 92 Talon TSi fwd 5-speed (80,000 miles) from last weekend:

60 ft 2.277
330 ft 6.358
1/8 ET 9.766
1/8 MPH 71.42

My car has no modifications aside from a K&N filter in the stock air box with the snorkel still attached. This was my first day at a racetrack ever, and these runs were on the crappy stock Goodyears with worn out 205/55/16's. I believe that this translates to a 15.0-15.2 quarter mile time, but I'm not really certain what I would've clicked off if the track had been longer...

SPOOM
http://ptperformance.com/racing8.jpg

[PumaGSX]

First off I wasn't trying to talk shit and say I ran better then you or whatever! There was a question asked and I answered what my times were when I timed my car back in 96 almost stock....sorry I would have had bone stock times for you but I never ran it completely BONE stock. (So I don't know)
Anyway here is the exact list of what I had on the car at that time:
Aftermarket BOV,
Southland 8 puck ceramic clutch,
VP racing fuel,
K&N filter,
Greddy SP exhaust, 2.5" piping if that? Stock DP(<-sorry forgot the shady exhaust)
Real cold day to...after my third run it started raining and we had to leave the track...also 60' times were 1.9 and 1.8 on the three runs.
And I had the spare tire and rear seats removed. I have the time slips to prove it and show the times with the old ass dates..but who really cares. First off I don't think that those are such cool times to brag about and why would I lie? It makes no sence, I'm not some little kid trying to look cool. Anyway if you guys think that those are fast times then I feel sorry for ya...I mean come on!!! 13.8!! I have friends running 12's with NOS'd little Hondas.

And GreenStreak thank you for atleast giving an intelligent comment. And as for your question, the fastes I have got the car to go has been a 12.3 with a large 16G, but I am redoing the whole car now and have purchased a Frank stage 4 which I should be installing in the near future...I hope that will get me in the 11's and then thats it for me...I'll be happy with an 11second daily driver.

[Edited by PumaGSX on 10-31-2000 at 01:14 AM]

[4npower]

Originally posted by PumaGSX
Aftermarket BOV,
Southland 8 puck ceramic clutch,
VP racing fuel,
K&N filter,
Real cold day to...after my third run it started raining and we had to leave the track...also 60' times were 1.9 and 1.8 on the three runs.
And I had the spare tire and rear seats removed. I have the time slips to prove it and show the times with the old ass dates. Anyway if you guys think that those are fast times then I feel sorry for ya...I mean come on!!! 13.8!! I have friends running 12's with NOS'd little Hondas.


13.8 is definitly unbelieveable for me with only those mods, and since you had the stock dp and exhaust i would think that the above mods gave you about 10hp. so basically what your saying is that back in 96, you were running the same times as a 96 toyota supra tt with 320hp,and you would have been faster then a 3000gt vr-4(320hp but heavy as hell), and a 96 300zx tt(300hp). WELL GOOD JOB THEN !!!!
you should definitly make sure you have a 4g63 in there though.

i've had my beddie bye story now.....good night:D:D:D

bill

[Orange Crush]

The fastest I ever got with mine in it's bone stock configuration was 15.29 @ 91.98mph.

Puma GSX. It's not like we are thinking you are trying to impress us. No 13.8 is not impressive. But it's pretty damn unblelievable for stock. Everyone in the world knows that a stock T/E/L runs high 14's and low 15's. I mean, if I posted that I ran 12.5 @ 105 mph in a Geo Metro, would you believe me? No...do I have any reason to lie about it. No...but maybe I was mistaken. Maybe I was riding in a Mitsu Mirage with a 4G63 swap...see. Look at it from our point of view. There is just something fishy about a 13.8 stock T/E/L

[Godflesh]

I didn't run stock. The first day I got the car I removed the boost solenoid. That was it. In reality it was less than stock with no solenoid :)

14.6@92MPH 1/4th mile
9.2@77MPH 1/8th mile
1.88 60ft.
on pump gas

[lee]

pumagsx. i believe your times. i have also run a 13.8 with ONLY a k/n air filter and ignition at 10 degrees. NO free mods. i had the back seat and spare removed also.

91 GSX



[Edited by lee on 10-31-2000 at 01:22 PM]

[PumaGSX]

Running fast ET's stock.
True my car wasn't exactly bone stock but those mods are pretty weak and I don't consider them REAL high HP and money mods. I wish I had complete bone stock times to post but I never ran it that way. There are plenty of people that run 13's with first gen DSM's though. Perfect example is a guy from BADSM....he just bought a first gen Eclipse and only ran a test pipe, manual boost controller and intake and he hit a 13.8!
Joey from BADSM ran a 13.7 with his pretty stock GST even!!!! All he had was in & Out, boost controller, AFC, race gas and BOV!
Now we all know that some cars are just faster then others from the factory, that may have just been the case..who knows!
But I'm not dumb, I have been racing for a good while now and have also ran a performance shop with some friends of mine. We still hold the record for the fastest SC civic at a 10.9 1/4 mile time. I think 13.8 is exactly what a GSX should be running with the mods I had at the time!
I think I would know the difference of what has been done to my car especially when I bought it BRAND NEW with like 25 miles on it! So I know everything which has ever been done to the car! Just go chat on any DSM boards and talk to some guys....I know tons of 1st Gen DSMers that blow my pretty stock times out of the water with less mods then I had!(lee is just one of many) And if this is such an amazing feat or whatever I always have old school time slips and pictures from 97 if you guys want? :)

Also the driver is the most important thing in my book!! Last year there was a highly modified GSX with 16G turbo, FMIC, etc...and that fool hit a 15.0 on his first run and another amazing 15.1 to fallow that run! Just goes to show ya anything is possible!

[4npower]

i'd still like to hear your response to my above post. is it true that you are saying that your 210hp@crank eclipse was as fast as a 96 supra tt with 320hp@crank? as far as mods, you really didn't list anything that would give your car any great hp increase, like i said it adds up to about 10hp.....am i wrong there? as far as time slips, i can send you one where i ran 9.79@146mph on my stock clutch. seriously it says it right on the slip :D
where are you from???

bill

[PumaGSX]

That's why I said I got pics too, and you can see the times on the window at the track and the pics show I don't have any mods. They are old school ass pics too from 97.

As to answer your question? Well I guess I was then, do you not know that much about racing? Answer that question? Do you know that it doesn't matter how much HP you have! It depends what your HP to weight ratio is.
It's like me saying: Do you want me to believe that BamBam's tube fram Miata can beat a Supra when BAM BAM only has 345 HP!! Well the Supra has 320HP so they should be the same right? (Bam Bam runs 9's incase you don't know) Or how about....my Eclipse should smoke a GSX-R 700 because the bike only has 140HP and I have an amazing 210!! So I should win right? See you don't make sence.....a Supra is a fucken heavy ass brick! I have been and will keep on smoking Supra's all day long too!
It just sounds like wherever your from doesn't have too many fixed up cars and you guys are the types that drool over TT Supras and TT 300ZX's! I have never lost to a Supra at a street race or whenever.....so to answer your question..YES I AM and I WAS!

Also did you read about my two friends GST's running 13.7, I have plenty of more people from BADSM that run 13's with no major mods(stock turbos)? I don't know maybe it's the cool sea air over here??? Who knows!
ALso remember my car was pretty gutted with everything in the back removed and no passenger seat!

[4npower]

Originally posted by PumaGSX

It just sounds like wherever your from doesn't have too many fixed up cars and you guys are the types that drool over TT Supras and TT 300ZX's! I have never lost to a Supra at a street race or whenever.....so to answer your question..YES I AM and I WAS!


lol, well to answer that i live about 30 minutes from extreme motorsports and i frequent the shop alot. basically everything i've learned has been with the assitance of them.
as far as drooling over supra's...lol. there is a guy that comes on here that goes by the name of "overboosted". i work with him and use to roll around in his supra tt on the weekends. but now he has a 10 second eclipse and we roll in that occasinally. but my talon is a little more streetable(116mph in the 1/4 so far) then his eclipse so most of the time is spent in it. so i think i know enough to know when my leg is being pulled off.......ouch:D
you can see my friends web site here, feel free to email him
http://home1.gte.net/cpq33642/index.htm

bill

[PumaGSX]

after you said all that stuff it makes me wonder more and more why it's soo hard for you to believe homie!! But it's cool, whatever? Like I said before it's all gravy, makes no difference to me if you believe me or not. Just go ask Sean or any one from Extreme.....what can a gutted GSX with the mods I mentioned hit in the 1/4 mile and they will hopefull enlighten you. Was your times that slow that it makes it hard for you to believe others times?
Also I notice you didn't mention anything about the Horsepower to weight ratio I was talking about? Anyway that's it....no more arguing over something stupid which makes no difference to anyone. Anyway tell your friend he's got a nice car and it's a good thing he got rid of that heavy whack looking Supra. Also did he have any problems with the CF Hood? I have had two CF hoods and they both don't fit exactly perfect(bigger gap on the left side)? Okay Peace out man!

[Orange Crush]

Ok, Screw it, I am gonna lay it all down like this Puma. Yes I am JEALOUS. I have put a lot more time, effort and money in my car and I am still only hitting mid 14's. I don't think that I am that $hitty of a driver. If you actually ran that fast, that kicks ass. Course, the biggest power mod, I still don't have: boost controller. So maybe I will get there with the one I just put in. Peace.

[DSMRSTPOS]

Wow i didnt think my post would cause all this...anyway i think i see the problem here..let me see if i can explain this without sounding like an ass.

Puma GSX first claims: All I had done was taken out the back seats, spare tire and had a BOV and intake. I consider that pretty damn stock.

Then goes on to add: Aftermarket BOV,Southland 8 puck ceramic clutch, VP racing fuel,K&N filter,Greddy SP exhaust, 2.5" piping if that? Stock DP(<-sorry forgot the shady exhaust)Real cold day

Then he says : ALso remember my car was pretty gutted with everything in the back removed and no passenger seat!

so maybe with all he finally claimed he could have run a 13.8 HOWEVER, with the absence of mentioning a boost controller on a stock T-25, i HIGHLY DOUBT a 13.8 was run.
Just my .02 and yeah, i believe driving is a very important part of racing..but those times are still amazing to me, even with the best driving possible.

[Jehu]

Okay, before we get into a convoluted discussion about what is stock and what isn't, I think that most people who find it unbelievable that a DSM could run 13.8 stock is because, well, stock DSMs generally run 15s, high 14s. Now I'm talking about STOCK here, especially this part. STOCK BOOST. Show me a DSM that is stock, including boost, running less than 14s and I'll say you have one heck of a ringer there.
Ofcourse, with a 1G DSM, I could conceivable put some race fuel in, disconnect the wastegate actuator signal and very possible blow up the car, but if the car last for one quarter mile pull I'm pretty sure I'd be in the 13s. Is this car stock? I say no, because one of the most important measure of power in a turbo car, the boost, is NOT STOCK ANYMORE!
By the way Puma, your little discussion about HP/weight ratio isn't quite relevant here now is it? Again, the key thing to note here is the word stock, ie stock weight. Does the 345HP miata has stock weight? Probably not. It's probably a third of the weight of a supra so OF COURSE IT WOULD OUT ACCELERATE A SUPRA. Don't assume that people lack the understanding of HP to Weight ratio when that wasn't even the point of discussion. Speaking of which, why don't you examine your STOCK HP to weight ration and a STOCK supra's HP to weight ratio. A MkIV Supra's curb weight is 3485 pounds, and a stock FWD DSM is probably
around 3200 pounds. Thus a supra weighs about 9% more, but has about 52% more HP, now why should you kick a supra's butt without some serious increase in HP? Ofcourse peak HP is a poor indication of usable power, but I'm sure a Inline 6 TT has a fatter and flatter torque curve than a I4 T.
Bottom line, those examples of fast stock cars you listed are typically not considered by most people as stock. Sure, the engine internals are stock, but most of the "supporting cast" isn't stock anymore. And most importantly, boost isn't stock anymore.

[SPOOM]

I consider a car stock when it is configured the way that it came straight from the factory: That is, no weight reduction, no fancy clutches, no aftermarket BOV's, no boost modifications, etc. When I ran my car at the track, I had a K&N in an unmodified air can. Is this a mod? Technically, yes, since I didn't use the factory replacement style filter. Did it make much difference? Probably not. There are a lot of free mods available to DSM's which can increase power for little or no $$$. Just because a modification is easy or inexpensive (or free) doesn't mean that it "doesn't count" as a modification. These little tweaks add up quickly. Now, having said all of that: Who in the hell wants to drive a stock DSM, anyway? Not me...I was only doing it to get a good baseline for my car's performance. One of the reasons that I bought this car was due to the easy power that is hiding in the 4G63. Do the free mods, do the cheap mods, do the weight reduction, paint a flaming chicken on your hood, as long as you enjoy your car!

SPOOM

[gsxalex]

I believe you 100% pumagsx. But I didn't until you posted the rest of your mods.

I run high thirteens with stock exhaust (w/dummy cat), k&n, modded mas and a fuelpump. My engine is anything but stock, but i dont think it gives me more than a tenth or so at my current HP levels.
Plus I had all my spare and jack and tools and clothes and other junk in my car at the time.

Just that exhaust that you have would put you ahead of me and my stock one.

And just for the record ( 4N-POWER ), my friend has a BONE Stock 96 TT stealth and he has run 13.4's. Actually he does have rims on it, but that is it!

[4npower]

well after reading this entire thread over again, i have to admit that i missed something, puma had an exhaust. now that's more believeable. i even made a comment about him having a stock dp & exhaust but no one corrected me(dammit guys :D ). so puma i apoligize, i totally missed that fact. a 13.8 is very possible with those mods plus an exhaust. what boost were you running?

Originally posted by gsxalex
And just for the record ( 4N-POWER ), my friend has a BONE Stock 96 TT stealth and he has run 13.4's. Actually he does have rims on it, but that is it!

hehe, alex i'm not sure why you posted that. that's believable. that's only .4-.6 quicker then the average stealth tt runs......not a second quicker then the average stealth :D

bill

[PumaGSX]

resolved and we can get back to bigger and better things! :)
4npower that's cool we finally are on the same page. Yes I had a dummy cat and a Greddy SP exhaust. I was running the stock amount of boost...I had the honeycombs removed and the car would hit 15PSI for a split second but couldn't hold it...you know the wonderfull T25! It will hit like 15-16 then drop down to like 12 or so. Also 4npower, is your boy with the white GSX experiencing many driveline issues? Just wondering cause I hope to finally break into the 11's soon when I put the Frank in. I've already destroyed one tranny, one axle and 5 or so clutches, so I wanna know whats in store for me! :)

Orange Crush, just wondering what you have done to your car? Also remember that my car is a GSX, but I have two friends with GST's that hit 13's with their stock T25's. My boy Glenn had a boost controller, BOV,FMIC,clutch, In & Out,race gas,slicks,gutted and he ran a 13.8!

[4npower]

well he broke his center diff and exploded a 6 puck sprung disk that was an experiment disk from clutchnet that extreme was trying out. other then that it hasen't been to bad. there are ways to help eliminate breakage. most people pull up to the line quick and stop quick when they are full staged, but when they do this the gears and axles and everything else goes loose. then when they launch it everything kinda snaps together and the slack in the gears catches up then.......snap!! sh it breaks. not sure if you understand that. all the driveline parts have play in them, well if that play isn't tight when you launch, it snaps everything tight. most of the time it is from people going past the stage beams then backing up till they are staged correctly then trying to launch hard. in that situation all the slack is in the forward direction. so if you happen to go past the lights and have to back up, back completly up and totally restage.
i am going to a test n tune saturday and hope to get close to the 11's. if i can repeat my 116mph trap speed(when i did it before i had the stock clutch in and pulled a 2.5 60' time)then i should be in the 11's but we'll see.

bill

[PumaGSX]

I understand exactly what your talking about. I actually do that when I stage...also keep playing with the clutch right where it engages to make sure everything is tight...hmm that one is hard to explain too, but you know what I mean. Has he ran those times in those 17" stock rims he had in the pic?
Also what have you done to your car 4npower? You must be running a HUGE high lag turbo to be running 2.5 60' times...ooouch! Or was it because of the stock clutch slipping? Hehe...just slap a 40 shot dry system in there to get you off the line quicker, then you'll start seeing those 1.6 60' times! :) Well good luck in hitting 11's and I hope to join you soon in the 11sec club in a few months!

[4npower]

Originally posted by PumaGSX
Also what have you done to your car 4npower? You must be running a HUGE high lag turbo to be running 2.5 60' times...ooouch! Or was it because of the stock clutch slipping?

yeah it was becuase of the clutch slipping. it slipped in every gear and was on the rev limiter in 4th(slipping) going across the line. that's why i was so amazed at the mph. wanna hear sumthin funny, i went 14.2@116mph on the same day. my mods are;
hacked 2g mas w/no honeycombs
modified intake tube
hrc s-20g
hrc upper & lower ic pipes
greddy fmic
type-s
extreme 3" dp w/atr 3" exhaust,no cat
denso 190lph pump
denso 660cc injectors
apexi new super afc
apexi new super avc-r
greddy egt gauge
autometer phantom boost and air/fuel gauges
act #2600 clutch w/street disk(installed 320 miles ago)

i think that's all. over the winter the head is going to get done and stuffed with web or hks cams and mated with a extreme sheetmetal intake manifold. might even step up to a haltech if funds(my wife :D )allow. you can view pics of my turbo here http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=720
what are your mods???

bill

[PumaGSX]

DAMN! A 14.2@116mph...that's some major clutch slippage!
As for my car right(current setup)I have:
Full Koni suspention,
Apexi S-AFC
Apexi FMIC
Apexi N1 3" exhaust & Test pipe
Exteme K&N filter
Extreme shift kit
Extreme Upper IC piping
Welded adjustable SARD BOV
Unorthodox underdrive pulley kit
HKS EVC4 boost controller
HKS turbo timer
Greddy 60mm EGT
Southland 8 puck ceramic race clutch
RRE Flywheel
RRE SS clutch line
8.5 Magnecores
ARP head studs
Autometer guages & shift light
EFI air fuel meter/ injector duty cycle
Frank stage 4 turbo..
STUFF I'M WORKING ON RIGHT NOW:
Extrude honed head with 1mm oversized SS valves, web titanium springs, Web cam 546/547 grind, Extreme/BRE sheet metal intake manifold, Extreme tial wastegate and 02 adapter.

Old setup (Sold all these):
Large 16G clipped & Turbonetics Deltagate
Garrett T04E & custom exhaust manifold
RRE Denso in tank fuel pump
RC 550cc injectors
Extreme manual boost controller
Greddy SP exhaust

And I have all the usuall ricer stuff: body kit, paintjob, CF hood, 17" Racing Hart M5's, and I also went chrome and polishing happy!
Now I'm just debating on what fuel and spark products to run with the new setup? Any suggestions 4npower?




[Edited by PumaGSX on 11-02-2000 at 03:35 AM]

[4npower]

well i wouldn't get anything smaller then a 720cc injector. i'll probably be maxing out my 660cc's after i get the head done. it sounds like your gonna be maxing out your engine pretty soon.....like me. anything over 400hp on the stock internals and your asking for catasrophic failure. i assume you are running the stock internals since you didn't list pistons etc..maybe a small rebuild is in order. not a $4000 rebuild like everybody wants to sell you but maybe $1500 and that's if you can do it yourself. that would include pistons, rods, and arp studs on everything. after that i'd look at a stand alone like the haltech or maybe even a pms would work but i personally don't care for those. over 400hp and its gonna get real hard to tune the car with an afc and a itc. i know what your thinkin....damn that's alot of money to make 450hp, but believe me i'm in the same situation......"gotta pay to play" or you can risk your entire engine and turbo and not do it.

good luck though
bill

[Orange Crush]

Hey Puma, sorry I didn't reply sooner, didn't realize there was a second page, I kept looking, and I was like "hey that post was the last one last time!"

Anyway, what I am running on my car is this:
Tenzo R Cone filter
Injen Intake
RRE UIC pipe
1G BOV
Magnecor wires
RRE 2.5-3" downpipe (w/ test pipe)
Apexi RS 3" exhaust
Apexi S-AFC
Solenoid Restrictor mod

I think that's it. I suppose it could boil down to being a front drive on street tires. My 60ft's are 2.2XX for the most part. I know most faster times are in the 1.9XX arena.

You can check out my times at http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/nicksdsm/timeslip.htm
maybe you can tell me something from that info.

Peace :D

[DSMRSTPOS]

OK everyone, just to reply to the first post in this thread, i took my car to the track last night..my best previous run was 15.5@94 like i said, but last night my car ran 14.9@95! i am more than extatic. my car has 183000 miles on it and about 2000 after the rebuild. It is still pretty stock.. i have a K&N, no aircan, BCS restrictor removed, stock MAS (still have honeycombs and silencer, on the 15.5 run i removed the silencer and lower honeycomb) 3 crane cams 8mm wires and one stock one ( i swapped it and forgot to swap it back before going to the track..oops)and thats it. well valvoline synthetic gear oil if you count that as a mod. i ran a 15.1@93.9 my first run and that was the best one until i added 2 gallons of 100 octane unleaded..only because i was about to run out of gas. after that i ran a couple 15.0's and a 14.9 on the last run of the night...i think it would have gotten faster if i had more time to get runs in. ok enough rambling..in conclusion, i believe that an engine rebuild, synthetic tranny fluid, 100 octane gas, and 6 months more of driving a stick will shave 6 tenths off a 1/4 mile time..yeah i know a 14.9 isnt all that great but i think its pretty good...so many people came up to me all night and asked me what kind of boost controller i have and how much psi and all that...one guy in a civic ran 14.8 and was happy to beat me and then he came over to my car when i had the hood up and you should have seen the look on his face when i told him it was stock.. I love DSMs!!

[Godflesh]

4NPower,

What times are you running? I doubt your are maxing your 660's.

[4npower]

i'm not maxing them yet, but over the winter i plan on getting the head ported and running a sheetmetal intake with a really big(3") throttle body. then i'm gonna throw in some big ass cams. after all that, my 660's will be getting pretty tired. i'm already running 116mph in the quarter and after this next round of mods i hope to be around 120mph in the 1/4. they probably won't be at 100% but anything over 70% and i'll be upgrading. i feel alot safer that way. but then my rods will be getting pretty stressed so i guess it time to spend some money :(

bill

[Godflesh]

I have a friend that is running 11.4s at 122MPH on 550s. You have plenty left in your 660s.

[cveclipse]

I just got a 15.1 @90.2mph bone stock with exhaust mani leak. sounded like a diesal. by the end of the season I was at a 13.68 @102.5 mph.

Every thing I ran at the end of the year for the 13.6 is custom cmvrc parts exhaust, uicpipe, boost contoller.
except boost gauge

[Tractionless in PA]

Hmm, ok. My 98 GS-T w/ a manual boost controller and Greddy cat back ran a 14.5 at 94.xx w/ a 2.2 60' time. Just my $6.83, a box of macaroni and some lettuce. (note to self, don't let the cat scoot his butt accross the carpet)

[4npower]

Originally posted by Tractionless in PA
(note to self, don't let the cat scoot his butt accross the carpet)

ewwww, that's why i don't like cats :D

bill

[greenstreak]

LOL, I thought only dogs did that crap.

[DwayneRacing]

To put things into perspective, at a 3200lb race weight w/ a 13.8, the car would be making about 250hp at the flywheel(about 60 more hp than stock). Of course this is an approximation and w/out knowing the MPH is less accurate, but you get the picture.