If Mitsu made a 3G with turbo + AWD would you buy it?

[AWD Terror]

If Mitsubishi made a 3G with turbo + AWD would you buy it? (Maybe it would be called a 4G? :D )

[shott17]

who in the hell was the person who voted " who needs turbo + awd"

Yeah first one to reply

[mcxroot]

3g hahaha lol just my opinion but they are some of the dumbest looking cars ever made. i would take a kia over a 3g. its not that i havnt tried to like them but 1. there body style is somthing out of a magizine for granpas. 2 engines are really weak and 3.they are very uncomfortible to sit in. all in all i think POS sums it up in one word. if i ever met the guy who ok the design of it id hand him a bag full of dog poop on fire and run for my like hoping he doesnt screw that up to. lol 3g lol

[GPTourer]

MY2004 will be the last year for the current 3G bodystyle. Its will probably be largely unchanged from this years style.

Details about the 4G are still a well guarded secret, but here is what we know about the next (9G) Galant that is due later this year.

There will be two engines, a 230hp 250lb/ft 3.8L SOHC V6 (6G75) and a 160hp (torque unknown) 2.4L SOHC MIVEC equipped 4-banger.

The trend of Galants and Eclipses sharing drivetrains is likely to continue, but since the Endeavor exists (same platform) with an AWD setup, a V6 AWD setup could be very easily done. Of course, I doubt we'll ever see a 4G63T powered AWD Eclipse as long as the Evolution exists. Perhaps V6 AWD or 4G63T FWD?

[DSMturbo2]

maybe of they redisigned its image all except for the rear end. of course mitsu would have to do some sincere apologizing for all the party, rave, dance girl marketing that they did. then i would consider it.

[Jazzie604]

I said I would get one, but with the EVO out there it would be pretty difficult to persuade me to get the 3G over the EVO. but if they had a V6 AWD.....torque and traction..... now theres an idea

[BigBADGSX]

i wouldnt even waste a penny on that thing, first gens/2g's/galants/evos are the only thing i would drive from mitsubishi! the 3rd gen looks like its been raped buy a mustang and a group of spider monkeys:cool:

[Spoolin113]

Originally posted by BigBADGSX
the 3rd gen looks like its been raped buy a mustang and a group of spider monkeys:cool:

you took the words right out of my mouth:puke:

[turbofwdtsi]

Wasn't the conceptual one they showed a few years ago supposedly come with AWD/Turbo? I think i saw it in SCC about 4-5 years ago. But a fuzzy brain is a terrible thing to waste.

Rob

[Palashia99GSX]

It doesn't make any sense to make a new model eclipse since Mitsubishi already brought over the Evo:tree:

[AluH20]

Yes, I'd buy it IF they changed the appearance drastically and added turbo + awd. Even though the EVO is out in the USA now, I still would rather take a 2 door coupe than a 4 door car you could still be a dad and keep. If I could only get my hands on an S15 that'd be ideal for all I could look for in a sports car.

[sickfast2ndgen]

Originally posted by Palashia99GSX
It doesn't make any sense to make a new model eclipse since Mitsubishi already brought over the Evo:tree:

sure it does. think about it... mitsu has nowhere to go with the evo except upmarket. in the next few years we'll probably see a higer horsepower (displacement???) version of the evo to combat the sti. it'll have all the goodies like driver controlled diffs and all the electronic stuff. the price is going to climb also. Now what's left to deal with the regular wrx? A new eclipse with AWD and turbo with a 4g63 (or a detuned version of a larger displacement engine from the evo) for about $10 grand less would fit the bill perfectly. I think they're stupid if they dont listen to the enthusiasts and build us a real eclipse again. nothing beats cheap speed. :D

[GPTourer]

Originally posted by sickfast2ndgen

I think they're stupid if they dont listen to the enthusiasts and build us a real eclipse again.

I agree, but Mitsus sales and analysts don't. The 3G outsells the 2G by significant margins. There aren't enough "enthusiasts" to justify it (it being a turbo AWD Eclipse). Unless you bought your turbo DSM new, you weren't really there helping Mitsu when they were hemorraging cash.

Still, a detuned EVO powered Eclipse would be awesome, I just don't think the coporate beancounters would allow it. I don't even think it will allow for a V6 AWD one. Although we scorn it, the 3G has done well. It humbles the Celica and RSX in sales, and it had a strong hand in putting the Prelude and the Cougar and perhaps even the GM F-bodies out of business. It has continued to be the best selling sports coupe in its class with 2001 being the peak year.

[herostar]

if they made it turbo awd and changed the body style wouldn't it be a 4g? hell if they did that I'd probably get one

[kev94gswi]

I would not buy one, even if it was a return to the AWD/turbo setup, unless Mitsu showed me, in a big way, that they have regained their soul somehow. The spirit that gave birth to the original DSM's. The Eclipses of late are nothing but big, bulbous poser vehicles with marginal handling and blase acceleration. (not to mention crappy or nonexistent upgrade potential!) Ever since Chrysler sold Mitsu their share of the DSM pie, quality has gone downhill and the spirit of the original DSM trinity has been eroding away! Rim recalls, crankwalk problems, stupid stuff that only comes from cutting corners have been prevalent problems. To Mitsubishi, since the dissolution of the DSM partnership, it's all about IMAGE and not SUBSTANCE. Take the new Lancer commercials, for instance. They say, "We created a car...little did we know we were giving birth to a RELIGION" What a bunch of BS. The 1G and 2G's are a religion among car enthusiasts, because they had outstanding handling, acceleration, and styling right out of the box, and are easily and cheaply customizable to be supercars in all respects. Mitsu just doesn't get that. They think it was all about the styling and image. That's what they are trying to sell now, like snake oil, because that's all they have left. The original formula which has made this car into the legend it is today is gone. Mitsu needs to cut the horses#it, wake up, and realize what gave them the image they have today, then come up with the goods. A car that is way ahead of its time, kinda like the '90 GSX was.

- low weight
- low drag coefficient
- high horsepower
- 4WD turbo
- turns on rails
- easily modded and tuned
- simple but effective and you could actually afford one!

Instead we get the Lancer. I'll stick with a REAL DSM, thank you very much!

[Jazzie604]

One thing I think that no one ever talks about and that makes a HUGE impact or this issue is this: at the end of the 90s, Japans market went straight to hell. anybody that had anything invested in japan, along with all of the japanese automakers, lost their ass when the market fell. has anybody else noticed how the supras, the skylines, the rx7s, and even the lowly eclipse either vanished or dropped in quality at almost the same time? the fact that mitsu was even able to keep something like the eclipse going is because it was able to be sold to american girls who wanted a cute car. occasionally I wonder if some people get out of the box they are thinking in and realize what all goes on outside of making faster cars.

[mnbv]

I think it might be because there is not a large market (people buying) of the dsms that kev94 is talking about. Ethusiests (sp?) are given the evo. although pricey, it is the smartest choice for mitsu.

[Palashia99GSX]

Honestly, I probably wouldn't buy one, 4G that is.
I have a DSM now and so far it's been good to me. Someday I'll retire her...by that time the Evo will have come down in price and I'll snatch her up to play with:D

[GPTourer]

Originally posted by kev94gswi
Ever since Chrysler sold Mitsu their share of the DSM pie, quality has gone downhill and the spirit of the original DSM trinity has been eroding away! ...... Take the new Lancer commercials, for instance. They say, "We created a car...little did we know we were giving birth to a RELIGION" What a bunch of BS. The 1G and 2G's are a religion among car enthusiasts, because they had outstanding handling, acceleration, and styling right out of the box, and are easily and cheaply customizable to be supercars in all respects. .....Instead we get the Lancer. I'll stick with a REAL DSM, thank you very much!

you're kidding right? Have you ever driven an Evolution? If anything Mitsubishi's "Soul" as you call it, is right in the middle of the Evo. It is their factory racecar for all of their rallying where they compete and win, surely you've heard of it. The best thing for Mitsu was to get rid of Chrysler and start using all of their own parts, particularly engines and transmissions. The "souless" cars like the Galants of 99+ are much much if not TEN times better then the DSM supplied 94-98's. The new Eclipses are also a lot better quality wise as a whole. Instead of 420A here, 4g64 there, 4g63T here, by simplifiyng the line with just two engines and two trannys all from Mitsu, the car got better as a whole, rather then hit or miss. Quality and owner satisfaction is much better - and so are sales.

The Evolution has a"religion" in Japan, now it is here and will start its own following, it will take time, but there will be just as many rabid fans of the Evo on this side of the pond too. You love your DSM, well that's cool stick with it, but don't say, the EVO is a poseur without even trying it out, or even doing a little research on it first.

[AluH20]

See I agree with how Mitsubishi is getting better sales from the 3G and marketing it as a sporty little coupe to totter around to latenight clubs in.

Yes, it outsells the first two generations by a significant amount, and the GSX unfortunately was I believe the lowest selling trim of the Eclipse towards the end of the 2nd generation. This is according to some articles I read (dad keeps old magazines) from magazines back in 1998-1999 still in my basement when the "new" eclipse made its debut in the mags.

So if the GSX, a two door, sleek, powerful sports car turbo + AWD car is suffering in sales- then why the hell in two years does this sudden crowd of people want to buy a WRX? WTF explains that? It's turbo, AWD, and cheap just like a 2nd gen GSX was (not including this new Sti thing). Does anyone else feel a bit of resentment for this? It just pisses me off to see the GSX (cheap awd speed) die for a car with the same principles (only it looks like a family car).

The only thing I can think of would be marketing. Subaru pushed the WRX for its performance by making those commercials of speeding down the road; if only Mitsubishi pushed the GSX like that.

But we now have the EVO 8 and the dealership down my street (Shelton Mitsubishi) is sold out of all of their orders. Makes me feel good inside :)

[Palashia99GSX]

Originally posted by AluH20
The only thing I can think of would be marketing. Subaru pushed the WRX for its performance by making those commercials of speeding down the road; if only Mitsubishi pushed the GSX like that.

Actually, they did. If I remember correctly they used a commercial with the 2gGST making tidal waves. The new Evo commerical is pretty cool too, but they don't speak of specifications. (At least I think they didn't...I didn't hear any).

[kev94gswi]

First off, I want to apologize for ripping on the Lancer. You are right, the statement was made out of ignorance; I was drunk when I wrote it. I have never driven a Lancer and don't know what they are like. The specs on the Evo look awfully good on the mitsu website, albeit a bit pricey (starts at $29,000) :eeek: I am just pissed at what the Eclipse has become, that's it. Maybe the Mitsu marketing machine has something more than I give it credit for driving it.

As far as the quality issue, I believe that is a judgment call.

Here's the 2G breakdown:


1995 Model Year

Installment Rate

Engine:

2.0-liter 4-cyl (DOHC) 93%

2.0-liter turbo 4-cyl (DOHC) 7%

2.4-liter 4-cyl (SOHC) 0%

Transmission:

Auto 34%

Manual 66%

Body Style:

3-door coupe 100%

Convertible 0%

All-wheel-drive: 7%

Air Conditioning: 93%

Cruise Control: 37%

ABS Brakes: 8%

Power Windows: 63%

Remote/Keyless Entry: 22%

Leather seats: 14%

1996 Model Year

Installment Rate

Engine:

2.0-liter 4-cyl (DOHC) 82%

2.0-liter turbo 4-cyl (DOHC) 10%

2.4-liter 4-cyl (SOHC) 8%

Transmission:

Auto 42%

Manual 58%

Body Style:

3-door coupe NA

Convertible NA

All-wheel-drive: 3%

Air Conditioning: 92%

Cruise Control: 49%

ABS Brakes: 4%

Power Windows: 49%

Remote/Keyless Entry: 14%

Leather seats: 10%

1997 Model Year

Installment Rate

Engine:

2.0-liter 4-cyl (DOHC) 81%

2.0-liter turbo 4-cyl (DOHC) 11%

2.4-liter 4-cyl (SOHC) 8%

Transmission:

Auto 47%

Manual 53%

Body Style:

3-door coupe 81%

Convertible 19%

All-wheel-drive: 4%

Air Conditioning: 98%

Cruise Control: 77%

ABS Brakes: 8%

Power Windows: 77%

Remote/Keyless Entry: 40%

Leather seats: 22%

1998 Model Year

Installment Rate

Engine:

2.0-liter 4-cyl (DOHC) NA

2.0-liter turbo 4-cyl (DOHC) NA

2.4-liter 4-cyl (SOHC) NA

Transmission:

Auto 54%

Manual 46%

Body Style:

3-door coupe 80%

Convertible 20%

All-wheel-drive: 4%

Air Conditioning: 99%

Cruise Control: 79%

ABS Brakes: 5%

Power Windows: 80%

Remote/Keyless Entry: 43%

Leather seats: 18%


Source: AMI Auto World Magazine

looks like 7%-3%-4%-4% on the GSX although I question that '95 data because I doubt that all of the turbo's were GSX's.

[AluH20]

Originally posted by Palashia99GSX


Actually, they did. If I remember correctly they used a commercial with the 2gGST making tidal waves. The new Evo commerical is pretty cool too, but they don't speak of specifications. (At least I think they didn't...I didn't hear any).

I remember the GSX commercial from back in 1994-1995 (which I love- the world spinning backwards from the traction). But I don't remember the GST one. What year was it for?

[sickfast2ndgen]

Originally posted by Jazzie604
occasionally I wonder if some people get out of the box they are thinking in and realize what all goes on outside of making faster cars.

I agree with you, but you also realize that performance and style can save a company. Look at Dodge in the early 90s. When you said "Dodge" back then, people thought of caravans and trucks. Boring. zzzz Then comes along the Viper, and everyone now looks at them differently. Sure, the Viper is expensive and they probably have a hard time making money off of it, but it is a car that showed they could do something different, something exciting... it showed they weren't the same old Dodge. It appealed to the enthusiasts, and the general public reacted positively to it.

You see, its all about corporate image, and what I'm getting from this thread is that Mitsu's is in some trouble right now. Lets just hope the evo can accomplish recreating the company's image on its own.

[GPTourer]

Originally posted by AluH20

So if the GSX, a two door, sleek, powerful sports car turbo + AWD car is suffering in sales- then why the hell in two years does this sudden crowd of people want to buy a WRX? WTF explains that? It's turbo, AWD, and cheap just like a 2nd gen GSX was (not including this new Sti thing). Does anyone else feel a bit of resentment for this? It just pisses me off to see the GSX (cheap awd speed) die for a car with the same principles (only it looks like a family car).


Well, you answered your own question. A lot of the people who bought 1G's and 2G's new (turbos that is) grew up, got married, maybe had a kid or two. The WRX offers something the Eclipse never had (and never will hopefully) and that is two aditional doors. They even have a wagon. Mitsu brings out the EVO, which is NOT designed to do battle with the WRX. At a price point of 30K it puts it out of reach for much of the market that it appeals to. However, when it was up in the air as to what the EVO specs would be, word trickled out that there might be a base EVO coming out that would meet the 23K mark to battle the WRX, most people (at least on the evolutionm.net board) scoffed, saying a watered down EVO would be blasphemy. Even when the specs of the current car were announced, people said the same thing, saying bring us the real deal EVO. Now that the car is here, and the owners and magazines love it (comparos show it besting the "more advanced" STi in most cases) the car is still out of reach of those that love it best. So the question is, should they come out with a cheap EVO or a GSX/T? What would be best from a market standpoint?

[4SFED4]

The 3G bodystyle sucks and the car itself needs to be lighter. I would like to see a more compact style of the 1Gs with a turbo MIVEC and AWD. If they could achieve a 300hp AWD car with a curb weight of ~3100lbs loaded and give us a 6 speed :eeek: for under $40K; I would preorder one. The only better thing they could do is bring back the Talon TSi nameplate :hail: but that will never happen :( And no FWD turbos this time, if your gonna buy the performance model get the real deal, no low cut cars to save $$. The EVO is cool, but I can't get into 4 doors and I don't like the fact they kept the JDM reverse mount engine and trans so we can't swipe them for older DSMs :mad: Hopefully if the do bring the MIVEC in any form to the states it will displace 2L or more and bolt up to 1st and 2nd Gen T/E/Ls or offer an AWD driveline that can be transfered into one without serious modification.

[mcxroot]

i did some car shopping a little while ago. the wrx is the only car i remeber finding rwd or awd with a turbo under 25000. my eclipse was the only thing under 15000 with awd and a turbo. the eclipses are the only ones that have 2 doors and a turbo. now why in hell should i have to pay 10,000 more for 2 doors i dont want plus an extra 300 or so pounds?????
i have nothing wrong with the evo. its sounds like a total badass car but i will never drive one because it has 4 doors. the only car i might consider buying with 4 doors is the dodge magnum. (nothing like 440hp and awd) so unless they release a 440hp evo or somthing to keep up with the 500hp lightning comming out why would people even bother with a 4th door. the evos should be looking for every ounce of weight and hp out of those cars to try to keep up. its pretty sad when your truck pulling the trailer smokes your race car.
but then again the razor i think has a lot of potential granted only 275hp but rwd and only 14,000 no car would come close to that. if mitsu made somthing like that they would own the market from 16-20 year olds. wink wink, like a 4g eclipse with an evo engine but 2 DOORS!!!!! and no fwd options only rwd and awd.

[Jazzie604]

Hey root, id be careful when comparing the evo to some other cars, especially with just hp numbers. Sure the new SRT-10 Rams make 500 hp, but they still only get to 60 in less than 6 secs, while the evo does it in under 5. And have you ever seen a lightning run? tons of hp yes, but theirs is useless. if you want to have a vehicle where you can have tons of fishtailing, wheel spinning glory then get a Lightning(personally id love to play with one). If the four doors isnt your thing, thats cool.
one more thing, what cost 15000 8 yrs ago is just going to cost 20000-25000. thats inflation for you. all youre going to get for 15 nowadays is a Kia, or a v6 stang.

[dsm239]

i personally love the new evo commercials. i think its awesome. i just wish the didnt say something about starting a religon without mentioning anything about the old eclipse's.

i think that the 3g was one of the stupidest ideas ever. funny thing is when they came out, i knew nothing about dsm and that eclipses had turbo+AWD, and i still HATED it.

im also a chrysler fan, it runs in the family, so id like to see chrys. and mitsu. get back together and make a new DSM , that will be that day i would buy an eclipse again. if not then i guess im saving for the new evo!!

[Rembrant1]

As much as I hate to say it.... We've had our hayday. For Mitsubishi to make a GSX or GS-T would be a huge gamble. This is due to the universal law, "Things Change". I would hate for them to attempt to make a car that flops. Further more deflate what we currently have. People give mad respect to our cars. Wouldn't you hate to see something happen like the new Impala, or worse the last Olds 442? Be satisfied in knowing we are part of something unique and special.

No one can take that from us.:hail:
DSM's (1G and 2G) 4ever

[GPTourer]

Originally posted by Rembrant1
Wouldn't you hate to see something happen like the new Impala, or worse the last Olds 442?

An excellent point. I cringed when they announced a GTS priceline for the Eclipse, even the new Diamante VR-X made me shudder.

Anything from Mitsubishi with three letters combining a combination of G, T, S, X, or VR and 4 should be turbo, four wheel drive, or both. I think if anything were to come out now it would have to be compromised to not overlap onto the Evolution. That's why I would think that a FWD turbo platform or an N/A V6 AWD platform are the only things with remote possibility.

But alas, we have already heard from factory reps that there are no plans to bring turbo or AWD back to the Eclipse or Galant line.

[welderx]

oh yeah, another crankwalking mitsu is just what i want

[eclipse2via]

Originally posted by AWD Terror
If Mitsubishi made a 3G with turbo + AWD would you buy it? (Maybe it would be called a 4G? :D )

They already have one. It's called the EVO.

[ztalontsi]

Yes, I'd take a 3G with AWD in a heartbeat. I love the turbo/AWD combination of the 1G and 2G, but would be very happy with the addition of AWD to a 3G. Just put some more horses in the V6, pair it with AWD and that would be just fine.

As far as the EVO goes: a 4 door sedan ain't gonna appeal to me no matter how big a spoiler it has or how many horses it has. Yeah, I like the AWD and turbo option on the EVO, but the body style....nope. Just can't see how people can diss the looks of the 3G and then swoon over the looks of the EVO. Well, I guess that just shows how different our individual tastes are.

Now, if I had a family and wanted a 4 door.....that would change my thinking dramatically.

I don't expect turbo or AWD with any 3G (particularly since the 4G is expected in 2005), but I do hope that the next generation Eclipse gets back to AWD...no matter what powerplant they decide to put in it.

[Misundaztood]

No. No matter how much power it would have I could never get over that styling...:puke:
Now if Hyundai came out with an awd turbo Tiburon, I'm game.:D

[Spyder1gdsm]

Originally posted by Misundaztood
Now if Hyundai came out with an awd turbo Tiburon, I'm game.:D

Hell yeah!!! :rockon: I love how they look.

I would rather drive an AWD 3g than an Evo, they are fugly IMO. If i had a 3g I would fill in the ribs on the side and mold some headlights from a different car that aren't fugly like a 3g's.
But a v6+awd shouldn't be called an eclipse. It deserves a better name...cough 3000gt cough

[whitepony]

when is 4g coming out?

[GPTourer]

Memorial Day Weekend.

[shekky]

A mitsu rep at the Toronto auto show told me that the "EVO" 4g Eclipse will be coming out a little under a year after initial launch. AWD turbo...I think she said 2.4 mivec.

I don't mind the look of it, but the rear needs some work. The interior will need to have the rice harvested too.

[dmoto92]

Tough question! Being I've had 2 transfer cases fail while I was driving - I'm on the fence. Love AWD and the turbo. Hate to say, but the new Legacy turbo is lookin' real good. . .

[ralliartist]

if they would have done a 3g like that i would have, now if they will stick to their guns and make that new 4g eclipse ralliart. that would be the shit!!!

[hopper]

im kinda torn on the topic, i dont think its going to happen just based on the fact that it would a an evo anyways, because they arent going to design a whole new awd system and a new engine for a new car, if they got one that gets such great reviews already, to me it would feel like a parts bin special and it would take all of the soul out of the vehicle. but id buy one if they were cheaper than evos i guess but i dont see that happening either

[Turbo_AWD_DSM]

I much prefer the looks of a 1g or 2g, but I'm sure a Turbo AWD version would have increased sales more!

[silvercoupe97]

I like mine, so....no. I hate the styling of the 3g anyways. My neighbor has a spyder and his girlfriend has a 3g spyder, the 2g is just sexier IMO.

[Boorail85]

3g's originally didnt do it for me.. but I have seen a bunch of really clean ones.. So, if they came with turbo and awd.. hell yes I'd buy one! especially if it was the old 6g72.. a tt 3.0l!

[Darksurfr]

as long as it gets comparable gas mileage, but at that point, why not go EVO? Body style is the only real downfall from the DSMs but that will change with the EVO X

[Struckanerve]

yeah i hate the 3gs and the 4gs they look to girly. as for the the 4 door sedans i actually dont mind them to much i have drivin both a sti and evo and both still felt sporty in side. also with are talosn and eclipes u can fit max of maybe 3 hots girls in your why with the 4 door u have endless possibilities haha

[AluH20]

as long as it gets comparable gas mileage, but at that point, why not go EVO? Body style is the only real downfall from the DSMs but that will change with the EVO X

... also isn't the EVO X going to be automatic? (with that tip tronic/manu-matic... whatever you wanna call it)

[dougdeez]

So it could be even heavier? I'm all set.

[QuasiMondo]

Why are we bringing back old dead threads?

[dougdeez]

It's a poll, why should it die?

[QuasiMondo]

Because the 3G is no longer in production.

Because people have asked the same thing about the 4G.

Because this thread was started three years ago.

[Turboeagletalon]

ok now if Mitsubishi would get off this evo bit and go back to tthere roots and realease a 4g turbo all-wheel drive. well i guess i dreally don't have to say mutch more

[dougdeez]

Because the 3G is no longer in production.

Because people have asked the same thing about the 4G.

Because this thread was started three years ago.

It could still be hypothetical.

[DeadLast]

what i like is having a car that is 'rare'. To what i've seen there are only 3 GSXs in my area. Others may have been debadged but most are riced out.

If mitsu were to bring back a GSX and make it cheap again....do you realize how many would be roaming the streets....it would be like a 3g craze all over again.

I like driving a rare car...although it sucks to find parts around here...but i like it.

I don't know bout your cars but mine went for 23k. Sunroof..cruise...LSD..etc.

but yea...i'm not much for the family sportsters.

"take your family from point a to point b faster than you have before" yea no. don't think so.

[Morpherex]

First off, I want to apologize for ripping on the Lancer. You are right, the statement was made out of ignorance; I was drunk when I wrote it. I have never driven a Lancer and don't know what they are like. The specs on the Evo look awfully good on the mitsu website, albeit a bit pricey (starts at $29,000) :eeek: I am just pissed at what the Eclipse has become, that's it. Maybe the Mitsu marketing machine has something more than I give it credit for driving it.

As far as the quality issue, I believe that is a judgment call.

Here's the 2G breakdown:


1995 Model Year

Installment Rate

Engine:

2.0-liter 4-cyl (DOHC) 93%

2.0-liter turbo 4-cyl (DOHC) 7%

2.4-liter 4-cyl (SOHC) 0%

Transmission:

Auto 34%

Manual 66%

Body Style:

3-door coupe 100%

Convertible 0%

All-wheel-drive: 7%

Air Conditioning: 93%

Cruise Control: 37%

ABS Brakes: 8%

Power Windows: 63%

Remote/Keyless Entry: 22%

Leather seats: 14%

1996 Model Year

Installment Rate

Engine:

2.0-liter 4-cyl (DOHC) 82%

2.0-liter turbo 4-cyl (DOHC) 10%

2.4-liter 4-cyl (SOHC) 8%

Transmission:

Auto 42%

Manual 58%

Body Style:

3-door coupe NA

Convertible NA

All-wheel-drive: 3%

Air Conditioning: 92%

Cruise Control: 49%

ABS Brakes: 4%

Power Windows: 49%

Remote/Keyless Entry: 14%

Leather seats: 10%

1997 Model Year

Installment Rate

Engine:

2.0-liter 4-cyl (DOHC) 81%

2.0-liter turbo 4-cyl (DOHC) 11%

2.4-liter 4-cyl (SOHC) 8%

Transmission:

Auto 47%

Manual 53%

Body Style:

3-door coupe 81%

Convertible 19%

All-wheel-drive: 4%

Air Conditioning: 98%

Cruise Control: 77%

ABS Brakes: 8%

Power Windows: 77%

Remote/Keyless Entry: 40%

Leather seats: 22%

1998 Model Year

Installment Rate

Engine:

2.0-liter 4-cyl (DOHC) NA

2.0-liter turbo 4-cyl (DOHC) NA

2.4-liter 4-cyl (SOHC) NA

Transmission:

Auto 54%

Manual 46%

Body Style:

3-door coupe 80%

Convertible 20%

All-wheel-drive: 4%

Air Conditioning: 99%

Cruise Control: 79%

ABS Brakes: 5%

Power Windows: 80%

Remote/Keyless Entry: 43%

Leather seats: 18%


Source: AMI Auto World Magazine

looks like 7%-3%-4%-4% on the GSX although I question that '95 data because I doubt that all of the turbo's were GSX's.What's really degrading and ridiculous and proves that most american's can not drive, is the transmission type.. I see automatic growing, and growing.

[MR_4G]

i wouldnt even waste a penny on that thing, first gens/2g's/galants/evos are the only thing i would drive from mitsubishi! the 3rd gen looks like its been raped buy a mustang and a group of spider monkeys:cool:
does no one remember the 3000gt vr-4?!?! its one of the greatest cars ever and it never gets the respect it needs!
so sad...

[DSM Loki]

the 3s is beautiful, has some potential, but i would never take one over a dsm.

[AL92]

They already made a 4 g prototype and showed it around with turbo and awd. I would be very interested down the road in a 4g turbo awd. With better quailty than the old 1g and 2gs it would be great car and should easily do near 400 hp with an evo turbo in there.

[DSM Loki]

hks made that, and when asked representatives of mitsu said that they would never again release an awd or turbo eclipse because it would compete against their flagship Evo.

you guys can hope all you want, but it would be a bad business move unless they do away with the evo.

[GPTourer]

ok now if Mitsubishi would get off this evo bit and go back to tthere roots and realease a 4g turbo all-wheel drive. well i guess i dreally don't have to say mutch more

Since the Galant VR-4 came out in '89 in Japan and is their first WRC car and is a 4-door turbo, would that not make it "their roots?"

[endlessMyk]

Since the Galant VR-4 came out in '89 in Japan and is their first WRC car and is a 4-door turbo, would that not make it "their roots?"

Damn... someone beat me to it...

Also... just because the Evo hasn't been around the US all this time, doesn't mean it hasn't been around... what... you though Evo IX was just a clever marketing name for it??? LOL

[DeadLast]

actually come to think of it...if they did make a 4g AWD + turbo...i would not buy it. No way. From what i hear about what car and driver are saying about the 4g i would not go for it. i don't care about the detailing inside or the fosgate stereo. I care about a motor that is not sluggish and a transmission that is not clunky!

The 2ga suits me well.

[silvercoupe97]

actually come to think of it...if they did make a 4g AWD + turbo...i would not buy it. No way. From what i hear about what car and driver are saying about the 4g i would not go for it. i don't care about the detailing inside or the fosgate stereo. I care about a motor that is not sluggish and a transmission that is not clunky!

The 2ga suits me well.
You're confusing what's in it now to what could be in there...the new 4G63, you know, like the EVOs motor.

[GPTourer]

Evos don't seem to have any of the failings that DSMs had. So, if they were to do it all over again, I don't think people would have to worry about the same old problems resurfacing.

I am thinking once the 10G Galant and 5G Eclipse appear on the lengthened GS platform, AWD and turbo will make their reappearance. The PSA platform that the 4G currently rides on is just too heavy as it was deisnged for an SUV (the Endeavor) first and foremost.

[driftnslide]

not a fan of new cars