I'm embarassed for not knowing this.. But I always see threads referring to NT's as 420a's but when I took out my NT engine it was a 4g63 2L. I definitely know that 420a sucks, but im still not sure exactly what it is. Seems like the bottom of the food chain for sure the way you guys talk about it...
I gotta disagree with you on this one. True its not as powerful as the 4g63, but these motors are reasonably powerful. Before I bought my 2g GsX, I has a 98 Rs N/a and for a daily beater I couldn't go wrong. Enough power and less headaches.
They're not terrible motors. Some of their owners do try to glorify them as better than 4g63's, which is why 420a's seem to be looked down upon.
True, but not all of us are like that.
The 420a in the eclipse/talon actually have more in common with the Avenger and Sebring 420a's than the neon 420a's. My eclipse has been the most reliable car I've owned, never had any big problems with it (besides general maintenance: plugs, wires, etc).
Didn't get in before the edit time expired, but there is a guy on DSMTuners building an all-out drag 2GNT so we might actually see some of the 420a's full capabilities as he is planning on putting it on the dyno here within the next month. His name is DSM-ZERO.
The Neon also had a SOHC 1.8 available that was nothing like the 420A.
That engine was seen in export models. The neon engine is actually quite different from the dsm platform; as mentioned above. The heads are reversed between the platforms.
Intake is up front and engine installed where the front is facing passenger side of the car.
I do have to note on the comment about the shadow mentioned above... since I do deal with the old turbo dodges. Not all of the shadows were super slow! My 89 CSX-VNT features a VNT turbocharged and intercooled engine. The VNT (variable nozzle turbo) virtually eliminates turbo lag making for quite a fun car! I'm also working on a tubo setup for a 92 3.0L Mitsubishi V6 powered shadow (6g72). So far I've seen one guy finish his v6 setup and without traction in 1st, 2nd, and part of 3rd gear he ran a 13.9 at 5psi in a shadow.
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