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Old 01-27-2009, 08:41 PM   #1
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More power out of Non Turbo

I have a non-turbo 2.0 Eagle Talon and am looking to pop a few more ponies out, atleast 200hp if not a bit more. I own a TSI as well, but this here is my all motor daily driver. So far I got an intake and a two inch catback.

All suggestions will be looked into.
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:59 PM   #2
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Re: More power out of Non Turbo

Sell it and use the money towards your TSi.




J/k.Do some searching, someone made a good thread about this a while back.
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Old 01-27-2009, 09:05 PM   #3
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Re: More power out of Non Turbo

A header, High Flow cat, cams, 55mm TB. Thats all I can think of that isn't going to kill your bank.
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Old 01-27-2009, 10:54 PM   #4
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Re: More power out of Non Turbo

200 HP? Good luck....and thats coming from a 2GNT driver. Are we talking 200 at the crank or wheels. And is this Auto or Standard? That will make a huge difference. Im building my GS as a DD car that has some beefy power to it, but Im not shooting that high. You will want:

Full CAI
Header, 4-1 recommended
UDP
MSD coil pack/wires if you want to spend the extra cash
Exhaust, nothing bigger than 2.5"
Higher flowing muffler.
As loner said, a 55mm, or if you want to spend the big bucks get a MPx 60mm billet aluminum TB. I just got one, and holy fuck ass did my car wake up.


I also bought an F1 Racing stage 1 clutch, easy pedal feel with awesome engagement.
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Old 01-27-2009, 11:02 PM   #5
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Re: More power out of Non Turbo

Pretty much what me and Turbobrick is all the basic things you can do, unless you want to do internals.
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Old 01-28-2009, 05:00 AM   #6
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Re: More power out of Non Turbo

Whats a 55mm TB or MPx 60mm billet aluminum TB? What does it do?
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Old 01-28-2009, 05:20 AM   #7
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Whats a 55mm TB or MPx 60mm billet aluminum TB? What does it do?
It's Short for Throttle Body. 55 millimeters. 60 millimeter throttle body by MPx.
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Old 01-28-2009, 05:46 AM   #8
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Re: More power out of Non Turbo

you can also do a jeep 60mm TB, cheaper, but they require some modification.

UDP and the throttle body will most likely be your best bets. LIGHT rims will also help
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Old 01-28-2009, 06:29 AM   #9
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Re: More power out of Non Turbo

The OP never really specified if the NT was a 1g or 2g, if it is a 1g the stock throttlebody is 60mm and flows plenty for far more power than it will ever make. Without the aid of forced induction or a bottle you will not get 200hp for less than 8k.
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Old 01-28-2009, 10:38 AM   #10
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Re: More power out of Non Turbo

Thanks for the input so far. I have a 1992 non-turbo Talon. Automatic Transmission. Haven't found a car with a tranny I wanted to tear up trying to teach myself standard.

Now to address money issues
I am planning to build this and have capabilty to save for what is needed, problem is I am unsure what I need.

I am but a noob mechanic so from the info I got from Turbobrick & Loner.
Cams: I have been looking for performance n/t cams. No luck. If you know where let me know.
Headers: I know what they are, though what does 4 to 1 mean?
CAI and UDP I need elaboration here just to know what is being spoken of.
Wires/Coil: I have stock coil pack with magstar wire.
Exhaust: So a straight up 2.5 inch exhaust the whole way would be best?

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Old 01-28-2009, 11:30 AM   #11
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Re: More power out of Non Turbo

Cams:I thought I heard of some cams for a N/A, maybe only custom grind, or people were putting turbo cams in N/A's or something but there should be a non-stock option out there. Your going to have to do some research here.

CAI = Cold Air Intake
I believe UDP = Underdrive Pulley

A 4-1 Header have four pipes into a single collector with just one pipe out. A 4-2-1 header would be four pipes into two, then those two into one. BTW you will only have a header, not header(s).

Its hard to say what will be "best" for an exhaust. Do you want more bottom end or top end? Generally speaking, a smaller size pipe will make more bottom end and a larger pipe would make more top end. As stated, if you do go up in size I woulden't go over 2.5 inch. Also if your state laws dont require it, toss the cat in favor of straight pipe.
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:20 PM   #12
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Re: More power out of Non Turbo

Exhaust wise, I got a 2.5 Cat-back, no resonators, mandrel bent up to the end, where there is a sport muffler. Like stated above, top end increased quite a bit. You will be surprised how much opening up these engines helps.




And people still put cams on N/Ts.

200 sounds like a bit too much on a N/T 4G63. Simple mods like an intake, full exhaust, balance shaft free, and no A/C if you want will help, but no 200. It will just make it peppier.

Not sure about the auto thing though. I have driven a few cars, same models, but one auto and one manual, and I have found that autos are a bit more sluggish. Never driven an auto DSM though, so I wouldn't know for sure.
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Old 01-28-2009, 08:00 PM   #13
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http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showth...sepower&page=3

Check out post #45 on Page 3.
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Re: More power out of Non Turbo

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I am but a noob mechanic so from the info I got from Turbobrick & Loner.
Cams: I have been looking for performance n/t cams. No luck. If you know where let me know.
Mitsu made NT cams(i.e. 94 Galant GS), they are 260/264 and their come with either 10mm/9.5mm or 9.3mm/8.5mm lift.

Mitsu also made a 170hp NT 4G63, it probably not that hard to squeeze out another 30hp.
Use a 92 Galant GSR ecu(MD172575), its Eprom and has knock and made for 93+ octane.

But seriously, go with a G4CS block and G4CN head with cams, Galant GSR ecu, and your regular I/H/E if you really want 200+hp.
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Re: More power out of Non Turbo

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I have a non-turbo 2.0 Eagle Talon and am looking to pop a few more ponies out, atleast 200hp if not a bit more. I own a TSI as well, but this here is my all motor daily driver. So far I got an intake and a two inch catback.

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I'd expect a NA 4G63 built to make 200 hp would drive like a Honda without the low RPM torque. 100 hp per liter means you'll have to rev it like crazy to get it there; a turbo motor would have a more street friendly powerband. Not to mention pairing better with an automatic transmission; you might need a high stall torque converter to make good use of the powerband on a high winding motor.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned trying to use a 4G64 block to build a stroker motor.
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