No Start!! Bad Ground? Bad Battery? Bad Starter? Magic? - DSM Forums: Mitsubishi Eclipse, Plymouth Laser, and Eagle Talon Forum: DSMtalk.com
 
HomeForumGalleryClassifiedsAbout UsAdvertiseContact Us

» Auto Insurance
» Featured Product
Wheel & Tire Center

Go Back   DSM Forums: Mitsubishi Eclipse, Plymouth Laser, and Eagle Talon Forum: DSMtalk.com > DSM Tech Central > Help! Tech

DSMTalk.com is the premier Mitsubishi Eclipse Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-28-2009, 08:21 AM   #1
TurboJuice
Hardcore DSMtalker
 
TurboJuice's Avatar
 
'97 Eclipse GS-T
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Schaumburg, IL
Posts: 524
TurboJuice's Gallery
Feedback Score: 10 reviews
No Start!! Bad Ground? Bad Battery? Bad Starter? Magic?

Ok, I am in need of some direction. There are a lot of variables here, but please give me your best guess as to what's wrong and what to try next.

3yr old optima red top battery - mounted in the trunk
Brand new autozone / duralast starter
Brand new autozone / duralast 90A alternator
Just regrounded and added additional ground to negative battery terminal


Now the issue is sometimes the car starts and sometimes it doesnt.
Here is what happened last night. I fire the car up after work for a cruise and it starts no problem. Cruise for an hour and i stall it at an intersection. I try to start it and it just clicks. Just one solid click and nothing at all.

I fiddle for 10 minutes before someone offers to push me over. She we push it over and and i figure what thge hell lets try and jump it. Hook up and the jumpers and vroom!

So limp it home and actually stalled it again! This time for some reason it decided to fire up.

I get in the garage, shut it off, then try to start again and nothing. Just a click. I crank it a bunch of time and it just clicks once everytime. Then all of a sudden it fires over. I shut it off again and then it wont start.

I let the car sit in the garage for 2 hours and when i came back out it fired up 4 times in a row with no hesitation.


When i got in the garage i took some voltages.
Battery voltage with the car on is 13.8
Alt voltage with the car on is 14.0
My turbo time on the dash reads 13.0

With the car off voltage at the battery is 12.2
Turbo timer reads 11.8


I am stumped. I thought because i jumped the car, the battery was tired. But i cranked the hell out of the battery in my garage(trying to drain it). But then i let the car sit and it fired up.



I have no idea, Do those voltages look OK? Maybe a bad starter?
Thanks for reading this far.
TurboJuice is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-28-2009, 08:48 AM   #2
Lazer382
New DSMtalker
 
Lazer382's Avatar
 
92 Talon TSi AWD
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: MA
Posts: 98
Lazer382's Gallery
Feedback Score: 3 reviews
Re: No Start!! Bad Ground? Bad Battery? Bad Starter? Magic?

From those voltages I doubt the battery is a problem. Since the car is running fine too I think we can rule out a lack of fuel/spark.

Sounds like the problem is the starter. That one solid click you hear is the relay trying to power the starter but the starter doing nothing. If it had cranked then the issue would be something else.

Good luck.
Lazer382 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2009, 08:58 AM   #3
bmxcolorado
Hardcore DSMtalker
 
bmxcolorado's Avatar
 
Check the signature
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Broomfield-Colorado-USA
Posts: 512
bmxcolorado's Gallery
Feedback Score: -1 reviews
Re: No Start!! Bad Ground? Bad Battery? Bad Starter? Magic?

Starter solenoid or starter. All I can think of.
__________________

1994 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS- Totaled 10/26/09

Quote:
Originally Posted by CrackedDSM View Post
DSM's are a turbocharged sports car meant from the factory to be fast. Honda's are slow shit aluminum blocked gas sipper's meant for daily driving.
bmxcolorado is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2009, 09:25 AM   #4
TurboJuice
Hardcore DSMtalker
 
TurboJuice's Avatar
 
'97 Eclipse GS-T
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Schaumburg, IL
Posts: 524
TurboJuice's Gallery
Feedback Score: 10 reviews
Re: No Start!! Bad Ground? Bad Battery? Bad Starter? Magic?

My mechanic is telling me that my battery in the trunk could be an issue. He says I am losing AMPs / gaining resistance because the battery is in the trunk. true / False
TurboJuice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2009, 09:46 AM   #5
Lazer382
New DSMtalker
 
Lazer382's Avatar
 
92 Talon TSi AWD
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: MA
Posts: 98
Lazer382's Gallery
Feedback Score: 3 reviews
Re: No Start!! Bad Ground? Bad Battery? Bad Starter? Magic?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboJuice View Post
My mechanic is telling me that my battery in the trunk could be an issue. He says I am losing AMPs / gaining resistance because the battery is in the trunk. true / False
Although partially true, I really doubt this is the problem. Still think starter / starter solenoid.
Lazer382 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2009, 09:56 AM   #6
talonryder95
DSMtalker
 
talonryder95's Avatar
 
1995 talon tsi
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: usa,illinois, mchenry
Posts: 178
talonryder95's Gallery
Feedback Score: 12 reviews
Re: No Start!! Bad Ground? Bad Battery? Bad Starter? Magic?

Okay , my battery is in the trunk and never, ever had an slow crank or problem. What i do wonder tho is what size wiring do you have to run from the battery to the fuse box. Also what size cable and how many cables and where do they go for the grounds in the trunk and under the hood?

Sounds like it should be an starter/solenoid problem but could be an small factor with your wiring and fuse/connections.

I have dual 0 gauge grounds in trunk and under hood.Have dual 0 gauge power going to an splitter box and then got a 4 ga going to the fuse box.
talonryder95 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2009, 10:03 AM   #7
TurboJuice
Hardcore DSMtalker
 
TurboJuice's Avatar
 
'97 Eclipse GS-T
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Schaumburg, IL
Posts: 524
TurboJuice's Gallery
Feedback Score: 10 reviews
Re: No Start!! Bad Ground? Bad Battery? Bad Starter? Magic?

I have one 0 gauge + wire from the battery to the stock cluster under the hood.

I have one 0 gauge - from the battery to a paintless tab in the trunk
One 6 gauge - from the battery to a rear seat belt bolt hole, sanded down

one 6 gauge from the trans to the firewall
TurboJuice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2009, 10:22 AM   #8
talonryder95
DSMtalker
 
talonryder95's Avatar
 
1995 talon tsi
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: usa,illinois, mchenry
Posts: 178
talonryder95's Gallery
Feedback Score: 12 reviews
Re: No Start!! Bad Ground? Bad Battery? Bad Starter? Magic?

sounds like your battery in the trunk is fine. 0 gauge is plenty to run the power up there. By means of under the hood, as long as your original grounds are still there and the one that use to run to the battery you grounded to the firewall, i dont see that an problem.

Im sure most people here are going to point you toward your starter/solenoid combo. Your battery seems to be at an good voltage and so does your alternator. I read that when you did have the car able to start, the battery had plenty of power to keep cranking on its own so it still has its cranking amps....

I think the last thing you could try to do is when the car doesnt want to start, try to use an set of jumper cables to connect to both strut towers and connect to the engine and trans. See if its for some reason an bad grounding issue first then look at the starter. The jumper cables will just be both used for grounding- no/not positve.
talonryder95 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2009, 11:44 AM   #9
Gamble
Ridiculous DSMtalker
 
Gamble's Avatar
 
02 Hyundai
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: CHI-TOWN
Posts: 4,637
Gamble's Gallery
Feedback Score: 40 reviews
Re: No Start!! Bad Ground? Bad Battery? Bad Starter? Magic?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboJuice View Post
My mechanic is telling me that my battery in the trunk could be an issue. He says I am losing AMPs / gaining resistance because the battery is in the trunk. true / False
While this is true it's not enough to hardly make a difference, unless you were using like a 10g wire.
And your mechanic is who?!?
Gamble is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2009, 11:50 AM   #10
TurboJuice
Hardcore DSMtalker
 
TurboJuice's Avatar
 
'97 Eclipse GS-T
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Schaumburg, IL
Posts: 524
TurboJuice's Gallery
Feedback Score: 10 reviews
Re: No Start!! Bad Ground? Bad Battery? Bad Starter? Magic?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamble View Post
While this is true it's not enough to hardly make a difference, unless you were using like a 10g wire.
And your mechanic is who?!?
Devin really hates my battery being in the trunk for some reason.
TurboJuice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2009, 11:56 AM   #11
Gamble
Ridiculous DSMtalker
 
Gamble's Avatar
 
02 Hyundai
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: CHI-TOWN
Posts: 4,637
Gamble's Gallery
Feedback Score: 40 reviews
Re: No Start!! Bad Ground? Bad Battery? Bad Starter? Magic?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboJuice View Post
Devin really hates my battery being in the trunk for some reason.
Take the resistance of the short stock wire and the wire you have in there now, there won't be that much of a difference.
Gamble is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2009, 12:04 PM   #12
TurboJuice
Hardcore DSMtalker
 
TurboJuice's Avatar
 
'97 Eclipse GS-T
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Schaumburg, IL
Posts: 524
TurboJuice's Gallery
Feedback Score: 10 reviews
Re: No Start!! Bad Ground? Bad Battery? Bad Starter? Magic?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamble View Post
Take the resistance of the short stock wire and the wire you have in there now, there won't be that much of a difference.
yea, I am really leaning towards the starter being junk.

The only thing holding me back, is why would the starter not turn the car over on its own, but then with the added boost of jumper cables, be able to start?

The throw in the starts when cold but no start(unless jumped) when hot.

Is there somthing internally in the starter that would explain this?

Too many variables to this damn equation.
TurboJuice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2009, 12:09 PM   #13
GotARed
Ultra DSMtalker
 
GotARed's Avatar
 
98 GSX 2.0 E85
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Chi-town
Posts: 1,307
GotARed's Gallery
Feedback Score: 12 reviews
Re: No Start!! Bad Ground? Bad Battery? Bad Starter? Magic?

Matt, We had that exact same problem with the teal 1g that we bought from Devin last winter.

The battery is in the stock location.

It ended up being the starter, we changed in and it never happened again!
__________________
Project "GF's Talon"-in the works AGAIN!

long rod 2.0 l BW s475 l link l1600's l5in exhaust l125shot

Quote:
Originally Posted by Asmodeus
Would you prefer babe, honey or sweet ass? How about the infamous "hey bitch" All of which are better than- hey you dumb fucking cunt come over here. Right?
GotARed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2009, 12:10 PM   #14
GotARed
Ultra DSMtalker
 
GotARed's Avatar
 
98 GSX 2.0 E85
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Chi-town
Posts: 1,307
GotARed's Gallery
Feedback Score: 12 reviews
Re: No Start!! Bad Ground? Bad Battery? Bad Starter? Magic?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboJuice View Post
yea, I am really leaning towards the starter being junk.

The only thing holding me back, is why would the starter not turn the car over on its own, but then with the added boost of jumper cables, be able to start?

The throw in the starts when cold but no start(unless jumped) when hot.

Is there somthing internally in the starter that would explain this?

Too many variables to this damn equation.
You just got lucky and it happened to want to work the same time that you hooked the cables up.
__________________
Project "GF's Talon"-in the works AGAIN!

long rod 2.0 l BW s475 l link l1600's l5in exhaust l125shot

Quote:
Originally Posted by Asmodeus
Would you prefer babe, honey or sweet ass? How about the infamous "hey bitch" All of which are better than- hey you dumb fucking cunt come over here. Right?
GotARed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2009, 12:35 PM   #15
Gamble
Ridiculous DSMtalker
 
Gamble's Avatar
 
02 Hyundai
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: CHI-TOWN
Posts: 4,637
Gamble's Gallery
Feedback Score: 40 reviews
Re: No Start!! Bad Ground? Bad Battery? Bad Starter? Magic?

I had the same issue with my honda. It ended up being the key ignition.
Gamble is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:21 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© AutoGuide