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Old 05-12-2003, 07:57 PM   #1
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Gm 3in mass Descreen?? take honey comb out?

I just got a 3in Gm maf for my ramchargers translator, should I take the honey comb part out? or will it ruin it, let me know
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Old 05-13-2003, 10:47 AM   #3
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yes you can take it out.
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Old 05-13-2003, 03:00 PM   #4
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I remember hearing there's a type of circlip you remove to get the screen out. Whether that's the inside or outside (in relation to the sensor) I'm not sure.
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Old 05-13-2003, 03:29 PM   #5
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When I bought my car, my honeycombs were all missing... and my didn't run that great.
Since then I've gotten a 2g MAS but I can't tell whether it's running any better cuz my turbos blown
I won't take your honeycombs out tho, you can do it and your car will still run, but frequencies are measured by the honeycomb vibration... your ECU probably won't be able to measure the correct intake without them. Do a search from the DSM links on the homepage to see whether its a good idea or not. Hacking it can be useful, but IMO don't take the honeycombs out
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Old 05-13-2003, 03:47 PM   #6
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He's not talking about our mass air sensors though. The GM maf has an actual screen, similar to what you'd see in a house window in a sense, not honeycombs. Removing it allows 40cfm more flow if I remember correctly. Any changes that may make with the maf calculations can be corrected with the translator though. Many guys run with out the screen.
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Old 05-13-2003, 03:49 PM   #7
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Thats not how it works with the GM maf, I have a bunch of them and already removed all the screens. The combs are just a big restriction, all the Chevy and Buick guys do it. It's only there so straighten out the airflow, and to save GM's ass if some idiot decides to run without an airfilter.
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Old 05-13-2003, 05:09 PM   #8
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So are a lot of people trying the GM mas? is there a real market for it?
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Old 05-13-2003, 05:39 PM   #9
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I know about 5 or so New England DSM people who already have it on thier cars, and about 15 who are compiling the parts to complete the project. The whole GM MAF/Translator is becoming VERY popular, that'd probably be why ramchargers is running out of the DSM translators every other week. I have a few mafs sitting on the bedroom floor waiting to be polished and put on the trader, and I should be ordering the translator sometime soon.

The only problem is mounting it as a blow through setup, I'm really anal about keeping a clean engine bay and don't want to ghetto rig piping for the maf to reach the stock smic. It'd be nice if dejon or brode would take the time to make a pipe that routed back to the SMIC.
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Is there a consensus now on how much the GM MAF improves spool and-or hp?
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Dejon does offer UIC pipes for the stock sidemount location..

http://www.dejontool.com/DSM-1g-SMIC.htm

I think he also offers pipes to accomodate a blow through GM MAF for FMIC's.

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Dejon does offer UIC pipes for the stock sidemount location..

http://www.dejontool.com/DSM-1g-SMIC.htm

I think he also offers pipes to accomodate a blow through GM MAF for FMIC's.

Hope this helps.
Wow that is pretty badass. That along with an RRE FMIC would be sweet.
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i'm thinkin i'll probably switch to the GM after i do my exhaust....


is there any difference in using the blow-through setup, as opposed to keeping it where our stock MAS is? aside from being able to vent to the atmosphere.... (which doesn't have any inherent gains, right?)
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Originally posted by jprescott
Dejon does offer UIC pipes for the stock sidemount location..

http://www.dejontool.com/DSM-1g-SMIC.htm

I think he also offers pipes to accomodate a blow through GM MAF for FMIC's.

Hope this helps.
Thanks, but I already got a set of dejon pipes on the 2G I'm just waiting for someone to make a blow through pipe for the stock smic for the 2g's. That 1g maf piping doesn't look too bad either.
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Old 05-14-2003, 04:43 PM   #15
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i'm thinkin i'll probably switch to the GM after i do my exhaust....


is there any difference in using the blow-through setup, as opposed to keeping it where our stock MAS is? aside from being able to vent to the atmosphere.... (which doesn't have any inherent gains, right?)
I haven't really heard of any factual gains, but a lot of opinions. Most people think blow through would be a better idea becuase the turbo wouldn't have to pull the air through the maf sensor because it'd be a restriction and would cause spool to be slower. Having it in blow through also eliminates alot of metered air boost leak problems.
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