Redline Water Wetter - DSM Forums: Mitsubishi Eclipse, Plymouth Laser, and Eagle Talon Forum: DSMtalk.com
 
HomeForumGalleryClassifiedsAbout UsAdvertiseContact Us

» Auto Insurance
» Featured Product
Wheel & Tire Center

Go Back   DSM Forums: Mitsubishi Eclipse, Plymouth Laser, and Eagle Talon Forum: DSMtalk.com > Parts/Vendor Discussion Area > Parts Talk

DSMTalk.com is the premier Mitsubishi Eclipse Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-19-2001, 07:10 PM   #1
blunttwister
DSMtalker
 
1995 gst
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Phoenix, az
Posts: 204
blunttwister's Gallery
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
what percent on coolant are we supposed to use when adding the water wetter. i will be flushing system and would like the added cooling of the product. the guy at loperz, an american performance shop said not to put in any antifreeze, to use distilled water, a water lubricant of some kind,forgot, and two bottles of water wetter. that was for bigger engines, so he said i could get away with only using 1 bottle.

i live in phoenix, very hot desert.
does this sound right? no antifreeze.
so give me your 2cents
__________________
95GST:16g

blunttwister is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 03-19-2001, 07:59 PM   #2
95GST
Ridiculous DSMtalker
 
1995 Eclipse GST
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: SF Bay Area CA
Posts: 2,501
95GST's Gallery
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Non freezing place the lowest you should go is 20% coolant and 80% water + water wetter
This is just enough to prevent rusting of the radiator..
__________________
95 GST
95GST is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2001, 07:08 PM   #3
welderx
Super DSMtalker
 
'97 GSX+'99 GSX
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: on the river
Posts: 433
welderx's Gallery
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
coolant is required. the higher the %age of the mix, the less effective watter wetter is. still, coolant is required. coolant is not only an anti-freeze but anti-boil too, as well as a lubricant and anti-corrosive agent. the guy at loperz is not so sharp.
__________________
Buschur Sucks.
welderx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2001, 03:25 PM   #4
gsxalex
 
gvr4 X2
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: back in WI
Posts: 729
gsxalex's Gallery
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Water wetter acts as a lubricant! and it protects against radiater corrosion.

Green coolant actually contains silicates and phosphates which basically equate to sand! Sand is a horrible lubricant in my book.

The orange coolant is the only stuff that you should use. It does not contain any silicates or phosphates.

The guy at loperz is not as dumb as these guys make him out to be. You can easily get away without running any coolant if you use water wetter and distilled water. one bottle should be sufficient. But i would recomend using a 180 or lower thermostat. I run a 160, but would recomend a 170.
Water boils at 210 normally, however the water in your cooling system is under pressure, so it boils even hotter.

The only real problem you will encounter is when you shut your car off and the coolant stops circulating it will boil the water in the block. Because of this i would recomend you add about 10-20% coolant to help off-set this problem.
gsxalex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2001, 11:19 PM   #5
welderx
Super DSMtalker
 
'97 GSX+'99 GSX
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: on the river
Posts: 433
welderx's Gallery
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
water boils at 212F./100C. not 210.
silicates are not sand. silica is sand. silicates are mineral salts.
silicates and phosphates are common components in detergents......clean metal is a far better transducer of heat.
water not only boils in the head at shut down but perhaps locally in the head under boost. there have been revisions to the cooling passages in our heads to improve flow and heat transfer, there must have been problems with hot spots.
this is common with other heads too. my sea doo has an additional line in the head to improve flow and break up eddys. stock sea doos are fine but this is required to prevent detonation in modified motors.
if your coolant boils heat transfer stops.
are we talking about a street car or trailer queen?
i agree on the 20%. watter wetter is as adjunct, an additive,i'd doubt the anti-corrosive and lubricant package in the product is designed to carry the load for the entire system.
calling redline would be my suggestion. greg
__________________
Buschur Sucks.
welderx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2001, 12:02 PM   #6
gsxalex
 
gvr4 X2
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: back in WI
Posts: 729
gsxalex's Gallery
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
silicates are not sand. silica is sand. silicates are mineral salts.
After flushing my cooling system i had LOTS of sand/silicate/salt, or whatever you want to call it at the bottom of my drain pan. It covered the entire bottom of the pan in a pretty thick layer.

I agree that clean metal will conduct better, that is why i only use distiled water, water wetter and a bit of the orange stuff.

Incedentally, coolant is a horrible heat conducter compared to pure water. Not only is its thermal conductivity bad but it also has a much lower specific heat capacity, meaning it absorbs and holds much less heat energy as it circulates. This means that it can't possibly transfer as much heat into the radiater.

The bottom line is that the only thing "coolant" is good for is raising the boiling point and lowering the freezing point of the real coolant- water.
gsxalex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2001, 12:24 PM   #7
welderx
Super DSMtalker
 
'97 GSX+'99 GSX
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: on the river
Posts: 433
welderx's Gallery
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally posted by gsxalex
"Incedentally, coolant is a horrible heat conducter compared to pure water. Not only is its thermal conductivity bad but it also has a much lower specific heat capacity, meaning it absorbs and holds much less heat energy as it circulates. This means that it can't possibly transfer as much heat into the radiater."

"The bottom line is that the only thing "coolant" is good for is raising the boiling point and lowering the freezing point of the real coolant- water." [/B]
well yeah..... it does reduce the effectiveness of water as a transducer, that's why the recommendation was for a 20% mix. and yes the purpose of coolant is both anti-freeze and anti-boil, exactly why i recommened it's use.
__________________
Buschur Sucks.
welderx is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:42 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© AutoGuide