i ended up with the cdr9's, bought em today. Ya price is way better on em too, and that did kinda help sway me. I juss never seen them on an eclipse b4, only juss sittin on the shelf, and it really helps to see em on a car to tell if i like em, so i was juss seein if maybe sumone else who HAS seen them on an Eclipse could give me a lil insight cuz it's obvious when rims look like sht and i wasn't gunna get em if tons of people told me they look like ass. and i like how the M5's look also, but i really can't compare cuz no one has pics of cdr9's on their cars it seems like. i went thru pretty much the whole gallery. anyway, i had a few people tell me cdr9's look good and i like how they looked on the wall so i guess ill find out for sure how good they look on friday when they get here. and ill get a pic of em so anyone else who wants to know can see. plus i juss want a clean lookin car, and the M5's are prolly a lil more fancy than i wanted, i juss wanted a clean lookin rim with not a lot of excess pieces for show, if that makes any sense. So thanx for the replies.