I don't understand what the big fuss is with the puck clutches. Everyone says hell no. If you have used one i garentee it did not have springs in the disc. Everyone talks about how unstreetable they are, the chatter, how hard they engage, these are all true to the act anc centerforce solid discs, those things suck manor [email protected]#. I bought one of these xtd ceramic/kevlar clutches 2 years ago, and had it in my 350 horse 1g awd up untill i parted it out a month ago. I recently put it in my 2g awd and it still works like the day i bought it. IF YOU HAVE AN AVD CAR ANW WANT TO LAUNCH IT RIGHT< THIS CLUTCH IS PERFECT. You can slip this thing all you want all day long with out overheating the pressure plate or warping it. than when you fully disengage it grabs like no other. I have even side stepped this thing a couple of times in an awd, at 8k rpm's. No slip whatsoever anyone who is a non believer that this is a hardcore clutch that lives in missouri. I will let you drive my 2g as proof that it is a bad manajama.