SBR has some of the shortest piping youll see in an intercooler. Plus its massive. Its considered the highest flowing FMIC for 2g dsms.
I went with slowboy.
I went with slowboy.
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This is not the best question since it's difficult to have someone who has tried both. I have the Dejon kit so I can give you an idea.
Pros:
1. Dave's shipping is super quick. I ordered on a Friday and the FMIC "kit" was right at my doorstep the following Tuesday with my specified BOV flange and the color I requested for my IC pipes.
2. FMIC and pipes were well packaged. No bent fins or stuff like that you hear from other vendors sometimes from shipping.
3. All accessories, mounting tabs etc are provided.
4. Direct fit. No surprises.
5. Since I have the original extrude tube core, it has proved very resilient. Very sturdy. Looks still like new 3 years after purchase.
6. Works great. I could make pull after pull during the summer heat and the FMIC outlet remains cold.
7. Short routed piping.
8. I loved the J-pipe since it allowed me to retain the factory fan. Most kits have an odd looking j-pipe that requires/d a slimline unit.
Cons:
1. UICP flange at the throttle body leaves alot to be desired. It's very thin and has a likelihood of warping after time. I swapped mine for an AGP piece.
2. No instructions are provided with the "kit." However, if you are installing one on your car, I'm hoping you can figure out what goes where.
3. You will need to hack your bumper support or remove it entirely at least on 1Gs. I left mine off. It's a good 30lb+ savings. YMMV.
4. Rubber couplers. They work just as fine as Silicone couplers but they are just not "cool."
**To sum, it up. It's a good kit and I would buy another one again.**
Pros:
1. Dave's shipping is super quick. I ordered on a Friday and the FMIC "kit" was right at my doorstep the following Tuesday with my specified BOV flange and the color I requested for my IC pipes.
2. FMIC and pipes were well packaged. No bent fins or stuff like that you hear from other vendors sometimes from shipping.
3. All accessories, mounting tabs etc are provided.
4. Direct fit. No surprises.
5. Since I have the original extrude tube core, it has proved very resilient. Very sturdy. Looks still like new 3 years after purchase.
6. Works great. I could make pull after pull during the summer heat and the FMIC outlet remains cold.
7. Short routed piping.
8. I loved the J-pipe since it allowed me to retain the factory fan. Most kits have an odd looking j-pipe that requires/d a slimline unit.
Cons:
1. UICP flange at the throttle body leaves alot to be desired. It's very thin and has a likelihood of warping after time. I swapped mine for an AGP piece.
2. No instructions are provided with the "kit." However, if you are installing one on your car, I'm hoping you can figure out what goes where.
3. You will need to hack your bumper support or remove it entirely at least on 1Gs. I left mine off. It's a good 30lb+ savings. YMMV.
4. Rubber couplers. They work just as fine as Silicone couplers but they are just not "cool."
**To sum, it up. It's a good kit and I would buy another one again.
**
I was going to mention that, but there's a solution...AWDwannabe said:
The SBR Fmic is not an SBR original kit...It's a Kinetic Fmic 2g kit, so if you just want to get the SBR/Kinetic fmic but with better customer support and shipping, go get it at EXTREMEPSI.COM...Free shipping also and usually very good shipping and customer service
This is not a diss towards SBR, I have had no personal experience with them, but others have a lot of negativity towards their CS/S&H so I am just giving you another route--
BTW: Spooling95DSM has the SBR 2g Kit and the thing is massive! He hacked his bumper for it, but it is super intimidating and people are always asking him what kind of i/c it is....It looks amazing, go check him out for pics
Please to not talk about what you do not understand, not a dis, just hate people spreading bad information when they do not know what they are talking about.Chicago_DSM said:I was going to mention that, but there's a solution...
The SBR Fmic is not an SBR original kit...It's a Kinetic Fmic 2g kit, so if you just want to get the SBR/Kinetic fmic but with better customer support and shipping, go get it at EXTREMEPSI.COM...Free shipping also and usually very good shipping and customer service
This is not a diss towards SBR, I have had no personal experience with them, but others have a lot of negativity towards their CS/S&H so I am just giving you another route--
BTW: Spooling95DSM has the SBR 2g Kit and the thing is massive! He hacked his bumper for it, but it is super intimidating and people are always asking him what kind of i/c it is....It looks amazing, go check him out for pics
It IS an SBR kit, Kinetic was a company formed just to do all of our fabrication work three years ago before SBR had 23 employees and the means to do our own. The kit was originally built, and designed right here at SBR... We stock 20-30 units, and typically turn around in 2-3 days with the exception of waiting on silicone, etc... Extreme PSI stocks one unit of each, if you think we have trouble keeping up... YIKES!
I spend a week or two a year in Surrey BC at Kinetic helping design and develop new parts, I will actually be there at the beginning of next week. If your in the area, stop into Kinetic and say hi! Kinetic has grown into a nice little business along the way as well, for which I am glad!
Mike Huml
Thanks for the TRUTHMikeHuml said:
I have your 1G FMIC (not installed yet
)To the poster, the 1G FMIC is a high quality unit, pipe and couplings are top notch. I can't speak about the Dejon but they seem to have a good rep
Chicago_DSM said:
We as fellow DSM'rs know the importance of quality customer service and fast reliable shipping, Like mike said This is Our design, no one elses. and yes sometimes we do run out of silicone, If we had the means to make our own silicone couplers and didn't have to wait on outside vendors for such items we could keep these pumped out like nothing else. But unfortunately we cannot, we'll leave that part up to the silicone Profesionals. We are constantly improving the efficiency of our shipping department, always trying to better serve our customers, If someone has some helpful feedback feel free to contact us and let us know how we are doing, not all of us can search these forums for customers griping and try to help each individual's issues. But if you call in and speak with one of us, we will do everything in our power to make sure you had a pleasant shopping experience with SlowBoy Racing. Now I can only speak for myself But I try to treat each of my customers the way, I as a fellow DSM owner, would expect to be treated on the other end of the phone, with prompt replies, kindness, and courteousness.
Just make sure, whatever front mount you Buy, for whatever reason it may be, it's what you want, its how you want it to fit, and does what you want it to do.
Matt LaChance
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Well then I want to sincerely apologize for the remarks on SBR...When I refer to the shipping and customer service gripes tho, I am not talking about the silicone couplers holding back the orders; I am referring to the numerous vendor complaint threads that hold a grudge on you guys...
I, however, have no reason to diss you guys considering I have never dealt with your company for a product; so, I will promise not to spread other people's judgements as my own/
Also, I was aware that the Kinetic's kit and SBR's kit is the same, and that Kinetic makes them for you guys, I just was not aware that they started out based on fabricating for your company...I was just informed incorrectly, so i apologize once again:
I stand by SBR/Kinetic FMIC still though, I think it is a huge, powerful core, and the design with the engine-facing endtanks is very helpful for fitment issue's and sweet looks
Well then I want to sincerely apologize for the remarks on SBR...When I refer to the shipping and customer service gripes tho, I am not talking about the silicone couplers holding back the orders; I am referring to the numerous vendor complaint threads that hold a grudge on you guys...
I, however, have no reason to diss you guys considering I have never dealt with your company for a product; so, I will promise not to spread other people's judgements as my own/
Also, I was aware that the Kinetic's kit and SBR's kit is the same, and that Kinetic makes them for you guys, I just was not aware that they started out based on fabricating for your company...I was just informed incorrectly, so i apologize once again:
I stand by SBR/Kinetic FMIC still though, I think it is a huge, powerful core, and the design with the engine-facing endtanks is very helpful for fitment issue's and sweet looks
Thank you for this post.Chicago_DSM said:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well then I want to sincerely apologize for the remarks on SBR...When I refer to the shipping and customer service gripes tho, I am not talking about the silicone couplers holding back the orders; I am referring to the numerous vendor complaint threads that hold a grudge on you guys...
I, however, have no reason to diss you guys considering I have never dealt with your company for a product; so, I will promise not to spread other people's judgements as my own/
Also, I was aware that the Kinetic's kit and SBR's kit is the same, and that Kinetic makes them for you guys, I just was not aware that they started out based on fabricating for your company...I was just informed incorrectly, so i apologize once again:
I stand by SBR/Kinetic FMIC still though, I think it is a huge, powerful core, and the design with the engine-facing endtanks is very helpful for fitment issue's and sweet looks
As for customer gripes and shipping delays there are many reasons for that. Some we can control, others we cannot. Like anyone, we are not perfect. However we come to work everyday, and put forth 100% effort. If at the end of the day we have not made everyone happy, we appologize. We give 100% whether the order is $30.00 worth of gaskets, or an $8000.00 motor build.
Keep in mind, the 10-20 gripes we may have outstanding this year, in comparison to the over 5000 new customers... well, like I said... we try our best and we are not perfect. We will try harder, thats all we can do!
Yes, IMHO the SBR/ Kinetic kit is by far the best value for the money, and it just simply works very well!
MGH
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