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By popular request, I'm starting this thread (again?). List your craziest losses (and/or closest ones).

No wins, just losses.

I get beat all the time by LS1's on the highway - not for long, but for now. Not very interesting. I'm sure there are much better stories out there.
 
When I had my Talon (still stock at the time), I was playing with a girl in a riced out Integra on the highway, just consistently kicking her ass, and she kept coming back for more. So finally, I look at her and shake my head, and downshift to really put her down. At that time, she purges, and FLIES by me. The little puffs from the exhaust and the telltale smell... I was pissed.

Bitch had to juice to whoop me, but she whooped me bad.

I haven't had a particularly nasty loss in the new car yet.
 
before my car got stolen(98GST), at the weekend races i started to pick on this red 2000+ mustang. Ive beat several GT's really bad but for some reason this one sounded alot meaner. Well we did a rolling start and we were side by side the whole way. I was like WTF!! Then as we are slowing down i look over i see a emblem and it was a COBRA!!! Well this is when i was only running 15psi. If i were running 19psi like i usually did then i would have beat him pretty bad. Also when we got the light he looked surprised that we were side by side. He rolls down his window and asks me "Do you have a supercharger?". I answer "nope just a 4cylinder turbo."
 
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C J said:
How many psi do you have to boost before you start blowing things?
Depends. 90-91 have big rods. These motors have gone into the 10's on stock bottom ends running near 30psi. Of course you have to have ARP head bolts and possibly a SS head gasket but I don't consider <$100 bolts a "rebuild"

The 92-99 engines have tiny rods.. I hear the safe limit is low 12's/high 11's, I'm sure there are an exception or 3 that go faster before they snap/crack/bend a rod, but it's definitely an eventuality.

The actual question you asked, "How many psi..?" really depends on what turbo you are running. CFM/psi is really what counts, along with mods that affect intake charge temp.

(Trying to keep it short and simple)
 
My first experiance with a Tsi... About 6 months ago I was driving around in my Z28 (was running 13.6's at the time) and came across a yellow AWD Tsi that wanted to play. Honestly, and I hate to say it, I though "Haha, this little 4 cyl thinks he can keep up... blah blah". Anyway, he revs it up and I hear the craziest turbo whine, well, that kinda wiped the grin off my face and made me a bit worried. Needless to say he launched and grabbed an immediate 2 car lengths on me and steadily kept pulling and pulling until he let off around 80-85 about 5-6 carlengths ahead of me. I was so shocked I didn't know what to say. I gave the guy a thumbs up at the next like as I looked in awe and disbelief at his car. He smirked and nodded a polite reply and was off. I didn't know what to think of what had just happened and I never underestimated a DSM again. Now, after all this I have a Tsi and plan on doing the same exact thing just to mess with my f-body friends :D.

Allen
 
well my DSM is still stock except my suspension, and even so ive had lots of nice kills (wont get into that here though) but last week i saw a newer camaro come up on me and stay right in my blind spot..he just hovered there for a few minutes so i figured what the heck and downshifted to put some distance between us. After the next light i saw him weave through traffic and come flying by me...so i gave chase...slowly catching him and passing him..my ego was soaring as i had just killed an LS1..too good to be true. i pulled up behind him at the next light and saw the red letters SS hidden within the glossy red paint. "oh crap" i thought to myself and what can i say..the light turned green and after we both made the turn he punched it HARD.. put about 8 lengths on me right away...he let me catch up..we got side by side and did it again..just cause i was pumped with adrenaline. i stayed with him for about 600 RPMs until i shifted to 3rd and he was gone. I told him his car was sweet at the next light and he replied "its my friends car...man your car sounds good..i could hear your turbo spooling"...THEN he wanted to race from a stop!!! im in a FWD by the way.i shook my head no (DUH!!) so he made a right turn and went on his way..and thats my first loss in my stock DSM..after that..im sure it wont be stock for long.
 
I asked the psi question because I am slowly trying to learn more about turbo power. After my warrenty is up I would like to put a turbo on my car. Any thoughts on a turbo for the standard 2.4 liter 4 banger?
 
Z28 vs. SS

Why do u people get all excited when they win/loose to a Camaro SS. THERE IS NOT REALLY A PREFORMANCE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A z28 and the SS.

anyway, i got beat by 91TurboT (91 Laser Turbo) from 60 to 100 about three times, back when i was running 14.1s, i remember him laughing at me :( Thats the day i realized his car was pretty fast and decided that i wont let him get the pleasure of spanking me again :D. Right now i am ahead of him, but once he gets his big 16g i am going to be in trouble :D
 
engine

the stock engine size for a talon, eclipse or laser is 2.0L

the performance difference between the z28 and SS
more of options really
better SLP exhaust, different form of ram air, the hood with the intake on it(ram air) and suspension stuff

these ls1 guys know alot more than I do about it, they'll pipe up on the subject i'm sure :)
 
Got toasted by a Lexus SC400 when my 2g AWD was stock. The road ahead narrowing to one lane so we both wanted in first. We were pointing downhill on a slight decline. I didn't "launch" but I still got a small jump on him. However, he caught up to me and started walking on by.

I've got a few mods now and I'd like to see him try that again...
 
Ok, the differences are: (depending on SLP options bought)
- Exhaust (optional, just as good as any aftermarket cat-back)
- Ram Air (because of the design it's no where near as good as the WS6 ram air or CAI but it's still a lot better than a stock air box)
- Blisten Shocks (optional)
- Progressive rate springs (not sure of ride height or brand and again optional)
- 17"x9" wheels instead of the stock 16"x8"
- different spoiler
- Zexel-Torsen Differential
- Power steering cooler
- Camaro SS Front Grille (optional)
- "Auburn High Torque, Performance Differential" (optional)
- And some other optional interior things like embroidered carpets.

Check out http://www.slpeng.com for details.

That's it. Not much for about $4000-$6000. It's more of a status thing than a performance thing.

Allen
 
Allen's ALMOST right.

Allen93Z28 said:

- Exhaust (optional, just as good as any aftermarket cat-back)
Nope. 2.75 mid-pipe for the standard SS exhaust. The optional SS (SLP) exhaust is restricted at the muffler on some, not on others... but in no way is equal to a Borla, which is the equivalent of a straight-through pipe, or any number of superior systems out there for less money.
- Ram Air (because of the design it's no where near as good as the WS6 ram air or CAI but it's still a lot better than a stock air box)
Nope.
98-up: Both garbage... they suck wind from the bottom of the lid, not the top so the hood does NADA.

Only the 97s and older had a sealed ram air and both the SS and WS6 had it (though the SS had 270* of turns that the WS6 didn't have). Both are unproven to add hp until EXTREMELY high speeds (boundary layers, it's what NASCAR postulated as the cause behind the lack of effectiveness of ramair 30 yrs ago)
- Blisten Shocks (optional)
- Progressive rate springs (not sure of ride height or brand and again optional)
- 17"x9" wheels instead of the stock 16"x8"
- different spoiler
- Zexel-Torsen Differential
- Power steering cooler
- Camaro SS Front Grille (optional)
- "Auburn High Torque, Performance Differential" (optional)
- And some other optional interior things like embroidered carpets.
Optional (not a standard SS item) But the rice crowd claims 50hp for the front set and 25hp for the rears.
That's it. Not much for about $4000-$6000. It's more of a status thing than a performance thing.
$6000 !!! Whew, remind me never to deal with your salesman. Hope you don't think he's your friend... ;)

The rest is ok. But I suspect, since Allen OBVIOUSLY owns a Z28, he's got a case of "SUPER Sport envy". It's ok though... everybody's got to justify their purchase.

[Edited by SS00Blue on 05-04-2001 at 04:28 PM]
 
Re: Allen's ALMOST right.

Originally posted by SS00Blue
Nope. 2.75 mid-pipe for the standard SS exhaust. The optional SS (SLP) exhaust is restricted at the muffler on some, not on others... but in no way is equal to a Borla, which is the equivalent of a straight-through pipe, or any number of superior systems out there for less money.
Ok well, if you want to get technical, yes the Borla (with the wide open plate in) flows a crapload better cause it's just that, wide open. I was making a generalized statement about aftermarket exhausts. But in the case of the Flowmaster and numerous other aftermarket catbacks it's pretty much the same. Besides, the Borla cost twice as much as most other catbacks and on every LT1 that I've seen (and this is just me) it sounds like total ass with the wide-open plate in. I could never figure out how a catback could be so damn raspy yet my cutout and gutted cat isn't raspy at all, it still puzzles me. I've never heard a Borla on an LS1 though, maybe it's better.

Nope.
98-up: Both garbage... they suck wind from the bottom of the lid, not the top so the hood does NADA.
Well, my reasoning here is that since the inlets on the WS6 hood are right up front the air doesn't need to travel near as far, just up over that little incline and then in through the bottom of the airbox. Yet on the SS, the opening is much farther back and has to travel back around front. Therefore, logically the WS6 ram air flows better even though both still suck and I'd take a CAI over either anyday.

Optional (not a standard SS item) But the rice crowd claims 50hp for the front set and 25hp for the rears.
Not sure where that was going and if the comment was aimed towards me or not. I'm assuming not since I'm not a ricer and will skip this one :D.

$6000 !!! Whew, remind me never to deal with your salesman. Hope you don't think he's your friend... ;)
Although I would NEVER EVER pay that much I have seen dealers try and markup SS's that much at least 5 or 10 times around here. It's quite sad, I know.

The rest is ok. But I suspect, since Allen OBVIOUSLY owns a Z28, he's got a case of "SUPER Sport envy". It's ok though... everybody's got to justify their purchase.
Um, not at all... If I had the money to buy a new one I'd just buy a Z28 and mod it out instead. And as far as justifying my purchase... I paid $7000 for my 93 Z28 and with only $250 in mods (my drag radials were bought slightly used from a friend) I'm running 13.3's. I feel perfectly justified already.

Anyway, the point is someone was asking about options so I typed up what I could remember and hit SLPeng.com for the rest without editing my previous info. I didn't figure anyone would rip into me for this of all posts :D.

Allen


[Edited by Allen93Z28 on 05-04-2001 at 06:17 PM]
 
But only a little

Optional (not a standard SS item) But the rice crowd claims 50hp for the front set and 25hp for the rears.
Not sure where that was going and if the comment was aimed towards me or not. I'm assuming not since I'm not a ricer and will skip this one
My bad... It was aimed at the SS floormats you mentioned, I just forgot to include it in the post. Sorry.

Although I would NEVER EVER pay that much I have seen dealers try and markup SS's that much at least 5 or 10 times around here. It's quite sad, I know.
Yeah, it's only because there are knotheads out there that will pay it. My wife is like that. 12 years ago, one month from graduating college, she runs into a Jeep dealer waving a check and singing, "I got a thousand dollars, I got a thousand dollars." Two of the salesmen suffered contusions from tripping over themselves trying to get to her first. If not for these... well, the cars would be SUBSTANTIALLY cheaper. DEAL, PEOPLE, DEAL! Don't just be lambs for the slaughter.

If I had the money to buy a new one I'd just buy a Z28 and mod it out instead. And as far as justifying my purchase... I paid $7000 for my 93 Z28 and with only $250 in mods (my drag radials were bought slightly used from a friend) I'm running 13.3's. I feel perfectly justified already.
OK. Not that I have all that much cabbage, I bought the SS AND modded it out. It just plain looks better to me. I just couldn't get over the plain-jane hood and weenie wheels on the Z (which means $3k to start!) I never had problems hooking up, but you should read LS1.com when the newbies start WHINING about traction. It's one reason I'm part of the DSM crowd now. Even the FWD DSM crowd doesn't whine like the Z crowd.

Don't mean to "rip" you (well, maybe a little) I just like to see the straight facts, not the skewed versions. I used to defend the DSMers, cause they seemed like the underdog (faces), but now I think the F-Bod owners are the real underdogs...

out
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