14b awd 1g vs. 16g fwd 2g

SM00TH976 · Apr 22, 2004

i have seen a guy driving a 2g around with a nice looking front mount on it, so when i got next to him on the highway i really wanted to get a run out of him. we messed around a bit and when the traffic cleared we both opened it up. i floored it in 4th gear, and it sounded like he downshifted to 3rd (little unnecessary at that speed, but fwd's might have different gear ratios than awd). i went almost the whole way through 4th (he had to upshift) and he might have pulled a few inches on me, but that was it. the race was VERY close, and had we gone from a stop, i would have annihilated him. either way, i was still very happy with the outcome of the race:

disadvantages:
smaller turbo
smic
awd drivetrain loss

his advantages:
bigger turbo
fmic
fwd drivetrain loss

it's fun hanging right next to someone with a bigger turbo than you.

2deep · Apr 22, 2004

Good job, but like you said he downshifted when he shouldn't have, so the fuker couldn't drive. But a win is a win.

Stephen · Apr 22, 2004

I've noticed that 1gs like to mod better then 2g's.

SM00TH976 · Apr 23, 2004

oh yeah, my car also has a 2g head on it. (it was like that when i bought it.)

lokmeup · Apr 23, 2004

SM00TH976 said:
oh yeah, my car also has a 2g head on it. (it was like that when i bought it.)

Well, that is NOT the norm.

But a good run, none the less.

Ron

AWDTSi2NV · Apr 23, 2004

good run, do you know what other mods he had???

SM00TH976 · Apr 23, 2004

well something happened to the head when the guy had the car, and he didn;t want to wait for a 1g head, so he just told them to slap a 2g head on there. retarded, but whatever.

i'm not sure what other mods he had. i know there was an exhaust, and he had a vented bov too. his car must have been untuned too because there was all sorts of black smoke when he got on it. he still had the stock injectors and that was what's holding him back.

PoppaSmurf · Apr 27, 2004

whats so retarded about that, 2G heads make the same power and have a torquier earlier powerband...doesn't sound like a bad idea to me...???

I also beg to differ about 1G's responding to mods better, but thats a whole new can of worms.

AXiS · Apr 27, 2004

That's pathetic! A 16g FWD losing a highway race against an AWD 14b? Damn I wish I lived nearby so I could give you a run for your money on my 14b 2G.. I wonder what boost he was running? 3rd gear on a 2G FWD is good up until right at 100 MPH if you redline it, what speed did you race to? If you started out at 60 I would def downshift into 3rd because FWDs pull HARD in 3rd at 60, but anything 70 or over I would have probably stayed in 4th. Good run though.

MindBlowin03 · Apr 28, 2004

Good run man. That guy prolly wasnt a good driver. If you got him from a stop it wouldnt have been close.

Id love to see the average 14b awd hang with me from a roll. Just wont happen. As recent as last Saturday I put 2 cars on a modded EVO from a roll.

SM00TH976 · Apr 28, 2004

i had a friend with a 16g'ed GVR4 and i would pull on him every time.

if i would have raced the fwd from a stop it would have been ugly. the only advantage a fwd car has over an awd car is the lack of drivetrain loss at freeway speeds (well that and less weight). if it was even from a roll, it would have been over the second it started from a stop. but anyways, like i said the guy barely pulled on me... like only inches. i wasn't pulling on him. i don't remember what speed we raced to, but like i said he still has the stock injectors so we were both running around 14-15 lbs. of boost.

i haven't been able to get a good run at the strip. best i have done is a 14 flat, with mph's around 96. if i shifted into 4th the mph would increase a bit, but i bet i'd gain a tenth or two from the extra shift. i can't get a good run because my ACT 2100 is not happy with hard launches. my 60 ft's are typically in the 2.1 to 2.0 range which really sucks for an awd car. i have a 2600 sitting in my room, just haven;t had the time to put it in. i can launch fine on the street, but the clutch slips at the track where the surface is grippier (and my suspension is set a lot stiffer.)

and mindblowin you would definitely pull on me from a roll with that mph.

AXiS · Apr 28, 2004

I trapped 100 MPH before the 6 bolt, the Downpipe and ported 02 housing, and with a full tank of gas. I've yet to go back to the track since then since I also broke my differential that night.

diambo4life · Apr 29, 2004

Nice runs SMOOTH976.

I also had a similar experience months ago. My buddy's 2GB with a super 16G and FMIC and my 1G 14B & FMIC AWD. Race was from a roll..(2nd gear to mid 3rd) we had to shut down due to traffic and I put a car and a half on him easy. My car was trapping a consistent 103mph @ 17psi then.

Nice kill. AWD's can hang too.

Saxrulez · May 1, 2004

About the downshifting

3rd gear is good for ~97mph or so if you shift at 6500 in a 1990 fwd.

My top speed in 3rd gear is an exact 105.10mph

I didnt think I had enough power to be shifting to 4th last time so I was bouncing of the limiter on 2 runs. Got exactly 105.10mph on both.

I'm going to say his car wasnt tuned really well since I'm trapping 105mph with a 14b at 17psi.

Taboo · May 2, 2004

SM00TH976 said:
the only advantage a fwd car has over an awd car is the lack of drivetrain loss at freeway speeds (well that and less weight).

diambo4life said:
I also had a similar experience months ago. My buddy's 2GB with a super 16G and FMIC and my 1G 14B & FMIC AWD. Race was from a roll..(2nd gear to mid 3rd) we had to shut down due to traffic and I put a car and a half on him easy.

I've noticed that it's especially the FWD guys that for some reason believe that their cars are somehow faster from a roll than AWDs. Ask them how much more driveline loss an AWD car has at its front wheels than their FWD cars. The only increased driveline loss AWD cars experience is through the tramsfer case, driveshaft and rear differential - which may possibly translate to 1 or 2% and is very unsignifficant bellow 120 mph. We're talking about parasitic loss of mainly two sets of beveled gear sets here (since the loss caused by the fairly small diameter driveshaft and rear axles is less signifficant than going from 16 to 17" wheels). The "FWD cars are faster from a roll because of less driveline loss" myth is nothing but result of weight difference. If one takes a FWD car, loads some heavy sub box and a couple of fat chicks in order to match the weight of an AWD car of the same HP output, the slight driveline loss difference will play a smaller role than the optimum shift RPM points or speed of the shifts between those two cars.

Stories like this and replies to them also prove how many paople mistakenly believe that just bolting on a bigger turbo and a few supporting mods automatically translate to higher horsepower and a faster car. There's plenty of tools running the latest hype while getting their asses kicked by guys with better matched and tuned setups incorporating much smaller or even the stock turbos. The size of the turbo, fancy JDM shit and less driveline loss simply doesn't mean much - if one can't utilize it to his advantage.

Stephen · May 2, 2004

yeah and 1gs mod better, the end

Saxrulez · May 2, 2004

Taboo said:
The "FWD cars are faster from a roll because of less driveline loss" myth is nothing but result of weight difference. If one takes a FWD car, loads some heavy sub box and a couple of fat chicks in order to match the weight of an AWD car of the same HP output, the slight driveline loss difference will play a smaller role than the optimum shift RPM points or speed of the shifts between those two cars.

I can pretty much agree to that. Weight plays a larger factor than most people seem to realize. I havent decided if the reason my car is so strong on the roll and traps so high is b/c of weight or fwd, but either way, I'm not complaining

Saxrulez · May 2, 2004

Stephen said:
yeah and 1gs mod better, the end

Actually, lasers mod better.

The end

Taboo · May 2, 2004

Saxrulez said:
Actually, lasers mod better.

Lasers were assembled from inferior parts that didn't pass Mitsubishi quality control in order to eliminate waste. They were slapped into rejected 1.8L bodies and sold to Plymouth. Simply, while the Eclipse is the steak, Laser is the Spam and Bologna of DSMs.

(J/K

)

SM00TH976 · May 2, 2004

how much of a factor would weight really play from a 60 mph roll though?

14b awd 1g vs. 16g fwd 2g

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