Ok just the facts Taboo Speed shop.

Van · Apr 8, 2005

K_Mans_TSI said:
wow i wish i was a member of nabr so i could have my membership revoked for being a member on another board, holie crap u guys are stupid.

Arrgghh!

Off topic here guys sorry. Man, you just misunderstand it. As with anything in life, there is a certain something about your actions on this planet and even your posts on a dumb internet forum. It is called honor my friend. Go read NABR's board and you will not see much off topic post whoring or piss poor grammar. You will see straight up guys posting about DSM's, honorably.

Martin was an integral team member here for a long time. Shit happened and we understand that, but there is now a growing gray area that he needs to address, one way or the other. It's not about nabr vs dsmtalk vs toonerz. It is about honor and Hal has called that out. In my opinion it is up to Martin to answer up or those of us who consider him a friend and his customers will be left hanging. Martin will post because I believe he is an honorable man.

The new owners here have brought on an unhonorable vendor. Alot of people know the history, but it now seems that the dollar is mightier than honor here.

Both situations need to be addressed.

nukefission · Apr 8, 2005

I have taken a stand but it's been in private, only among the admins and mods here, out of courtesy. This is what I was trying to get at earlier. You guys need to understand that I AGREE WITH YOU! Not once have I said or even acted like I "supported" Martin in his recent actions. Now Van has laid it all out and I'm in total agreement with him. The difference between me and the other mods who've retired is that I'm willing to stick it out a little longer, try to rectify these errors in judgement by the new owners, and see if any good can come of this mess. What Hal and some other folks don't realize is that I've been fighting along side them on the issues in question. The same thing that's been argued in PMs to John and Dan by you guys I've been arguing for as well.

Did it ever occur to any of you that this Vendor Review forum was created to provide a level of accountability not just for Martin but any vendor who's reputation has been called into question? We want Martin to participate and explain himself as much as you guys do. We aren't harboring him or defending his actions, and yes we do worry about the impact his actions are having on his character and the credibility of this site and its moderators.

As for my NABR membership, I value it for the reasons Van mentioned. At the same time I'm trying to do what's right here, be it out in the open or in private.

The issues here are important so I'm leaving this thread open for the time being.

Bazza2541 · Apr 8, 2005

It's embarassing to see you turn a blind eye.

Maybe you aren't NABR material after all?

I have been following the Taboo story for a while now and although I am not directly involved, I feel I have to say something about the above post.
This type of post will get the thread closed and should be deleted.
Dont slag off the mod's they can and will delete you.
Be very careful about printing libilious comments on a public forum.
Shame on you! You really should know better.

ntjoe · Apr 8, 2005

I spoke with ekool via email and he cleared me to chime in from time to time. Martin did come over to vendors-reviewed.com and post an explanation:

http://www.vendors-reviewed.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=113

If you search that site you will see for a number of months there have been posts regarding his lack of communication and lack or order fulfillment. While I have not personnally ordered from him, I run vendors-reviewed with boostedinaz. I set up that site due to the lack of a centralized complaint site for DSMers and other auto enthusiasts. Since I have not ordered from him, I am not going to chime in any personal comments, other than from the threads on my board, he has taken money for some time, up until recently.

If any vendor wants to explain any problem they are having, they can do so on vendors-reviewed.com. I would encourage Martin to step forward and tell the community what it going on completely. I have found that most auto enthusiasts, DSMers included, can be patient if they know what is going on. Communication is key. It can make or break a business very quickly.

Mods, if I have overstepped my boundries here, please feel free to delete or edit my post.

Thanks, Joe

Dsmman · Apr 8, 2005

Van said:
DSMtalk used to have an owner and a mod team that did not like vendor posts or interference and preferred lots of hands on moderating. The new site owner and new self-appointed admins (some are NABR regulars) apparently do not agree with that stance.

Hence a few of us have stepped down or not reappeared or are in disagreement with the new owners and admins. The new owners and admins have also brought on a slew of newer unapproved vendors. In fact, I PM'd one such new admin the other night and have not gotten a reply back yet about the Bullseye vendor situation. I would say that most of, if not all of the former mod team vehemently disagrees with it. So a stand is being made by some and has been made by others. The new ownership here is about money and online arcades, NOT DSM's like the old owners. This new dsmtalk is a fake as far as I'm concerned thus far.

And these are the exact reasons I also decided to step down as a moderator. DSMtalk will take on any vendor as long as they have money. DSMtalk is a business and the new ownership will run it as such, I was told. There is no integrity left. I want no parts of this fucking mess.

Dsmman · Apr 8, 2005

I shold also say, this isn't a shot against Victor or any of the origional moderators.

Lancer14 · Apr 8, 2005

I'm starting to get a different perspective on the mods/former mods over here now.
I ordered my parts in July of '04. After about a month I began emailing to the addresses listed on tss.com with no success at all. All the time Martin was here posting on a daily basis. I finally broke down and tried PM'ing him here. He replied to my first PM, but nothing after that. I had the PM receipts showing that he was reading the messages I was sending until one day I noticed that they had all been deleted. I'm not trying to start more stuff here, but I don't understand how those receipts could've just disappeared. It seems to me that somebody would've had to access my account and delete them. This was by far the thing that pissed me off most about this whole situation.
Before the board went down I was in contact with one of the moderators. He was attempting to contact Martin on my behalf. The one time he got any information it was Martin telling him that my money had already been refunded to me, which is a total lie.
I just don't understand how somebody can mean well when it appears that they're making attempts to ignore or cover up the whole issue.
There's a bunch of parts that TSS offered that I could really use or would love to have, but its so hard to believe that Martin means well when he's had my money for 9 months and counting now.
I do appreciate the fact that this forum was created, and I'm glad that this information is getting to the public. When I contacted Paypal they told me that they couldn't get my money back. I asked them if my complaint would be made public so that others would have a warning before sending their money, but they said that wouldn't happen because of confidentiality reasons.
I also filed complaints with the BBB and FBI Internet Fraud Division, neither of those got me anywhere. I think its safe to say that me and the others who are waiting on refunds or parts are completely at the mercy of Martin.

Chris

anconover · Apr 8, 2005

whos idea was it for this stupid topic forum anyways?

ekool · Apr 8, 2005

Just to clear up alot of lies that I've seen posted in this thread by the moderators who have stepped down.

1. This site is a business, and we will run it as such. This means running the best operation we can run for both the users and the vendors.

2. I was unaware of any previous problems with vendors mentioned, and we are trying to investigate it. So far, the only information we have is rumors. I wont 'assume' someone is guilty because of rumors, sorry if I need more proof then that.

3. If the proof surfaces, and we see a problem with a vendor, we will act. All new vendors are being approved by the admin team, and the current moderation team can attest to that. Sorry that "One" _MIGHT_ have slipped through the cracks.

4. When making accusations about the administrator and moderator team, I would appreciate it if you could stick to ONLY the facts, and not make false statements.

5. We have added this section just for this type of discussion. If we were "all about the money" we wouldnt allow you to say anything negative about supporting vendors. We allow you to because we feel the user community has the right to know. The same rules apply in this section to vendors and non vendors alike.

boostedinaz · Apr 8, 2005

I have never bought anything from TSS because I heard that people were starting to have problems with him and now it has turned into this. Everyone has problems, that is true, but he still had acces to a computer and a phone. He could have easily put a sticky thread up stating what was going on or even used his own page to give a better update than what he did. He could have called someone else to do the same. All of this could have been fixed in a few simple minutes, but he chose otherwise. I have PM'd him to see if perhaps he would be willing to make some sort of a comment on our vendor page to follow up on his first one. I got the same response all of his customers got. NOT A DAMN THING. I could really care less about the politics between boards, but alot of you defending him keep talking about honor, pride, respect, community and how NABR and Talk used to uphold those values. The irony is that one of you highly respected members has show none of those to anyone. He has not honored his request for parts, he has not had enough respect for his cutomers, friends, or the community to say anything but some lame general statement, and yet you continue to defend him and say he is a good guy. I think it is time for HIM to give updates, for HIM to tell everyone why he cant seem to pick up a phone or use his page to give updates, for HIM to come in and defend HIMSELF.

It is obvious that everyone that knows him well could give two shits about what he is doing becasue he is there friend. No matter what facts are brought up, he still gets defended and is still in contact with these people who gaurd him from the people he has screwed. Yeah, all those people are very honorable, respectable, and help the community.

greenstreak · Apr 8, 2005

Some people with their communism and nazi moderating really crack me up. We follow the rules that are set out by the owner/admin of the board. When a member breaks a rule they instantly feel that they have been wrongly corrected, banned, or editted when in fact it was that person who had stepped outside the rules setup for the board. Simple as that. We don't choose when and where to enforce the rules. But of course when you f*ck up and we correct it you weren't to blame. It was the nazi moderators. Grow up and take some damn responsibility for yourself.

In this case we are accused of fronting or sticking up for Martin because TSS threads in the past have been locked or removed. That was the rules reguarding customer service issues or vendor complaints. It happened no matter what the company was but because Martin was is a moderator here people feel that we are making the threads disappear to protect him. Wrong! We were doing our jobs. Now that the rules have changed somewhat under the new ownership we have a forum like this to bring up these very issues.

I have tried to help a few members here with issues reguarding TSS but the fact is non of us have been in contact with him. Personally I think Martin is a good guy but I do think that this is bad business for whatever reasons. He has had hard times, very hard recently, but I think business wise things might have been handled better. Who am I to say though, I am not in his position and won't pretend to know exactly what is going on.

greenstreak · Apr 8, 2005

thimages said:
As an NABR regular you should show that you have some integrity and disassociate yourself from being a moderator here.

Being a moderator here doesn't or shouldn't put our level of integrity into question. All of the moderators have different opinions on the goings on of the board. Many of us don't agree with every aspect of how things are run or what is allowed and not allowed. We do not know everything in this situation so how are we to condemn a man that we have worked along side of for some time without giving him the opportunity to confront these problems in the public eye.

mark93 · Apr 8, 2005

anconover said:
also break your back and try to sit around making parts. I bet its not so easy. Martins had some unfortunate accidents happen that has put him as behind as he is.

How do you know he makes his own parts??
HE DOESNT!!!!!!
How do you know he has a shop??
HE DOESNT!!!!!!!!

Why do I know, because me and Martin were good friends at one time. If you want to know why we are no longer, look at the intercooler on his car..ITS MINE!! I paid 700 for that thing. We put it on his car to see how it would run. I have gave up getting any money from him.
I dont know where he is or what he is doing. And I dont care.
But he is ripping people off period.
Why dont some of you guys who know him by internet only come to Iowa and look him up. You may suprise yourselves.

Iceman21 · Apr 8, 2005

mark93 said:
How do you know he makes his own parts??
HE DOESNT!!!!!!
How do you know he has a shop??
HE DOESNT!!!!!!!!

And what is it that you have stated makes your story believable? I could tell everyone I went to school with Martin and he jacked my intercooler, does it make it true? Hell no, unless you believe everything you read on the intraweb.

How am I or anyone else supposed to know that your intercooler in on Martin's car? Does it have mark93 engraved on it?

Where are the grammer police?

diambo4life · Apr 8, 2005

Iceman21 said:
And what is it that you have stated makes your story believable? I could tell everyone I went to school with Martin and he jacked my intercooler, does it make it true? Hell no, unless you believe everything you read on the intraweb.

How am I or anyone else supposed to know that your intercooler in on Martin's car? Does it have mark93 engraved on it?

Where are the grammer police?

No shit.

...and yet you continue to defend him and say he is a good guy. I think it is time for HIM to give updates, for HIM to tell everyone why he cant seem to pick up a phone or use his page to give updates, for HIM to come in and defend HIMSELF.

Martin didn't tell ANYONE to defend him here or give "updates." I will guarantee you that 100%. Where the hell did you get that piece of info.? That's very unlike him anyway. He fights his own battles and whenever he chooses to address this crap, he will. The people defending him on this board believe in him (partially or wholly,) whether that pleases or pisses you off doesn't really seem to bother us or me in particular.

.

Again, we are still back to square one. All this complaining has yielded nothing really than draw hostility towards different parties which is stupid. I am not downplaying the legitimate people who are still missing their parts or money, they are out there - but we sure do notice the people who pop out of the woodwork just to slime or slander Martin's name since they may have had an axe to grind with him in the past. Who knows? You be the judge.

Turbo98 · Apr 8, 2005

greenstreak said:
but because Martin was is a moderator here people feel that we are making the threads disappear to protect him. Wrong! .

How do you explain these people's pm's disappearing? None of mine are gone from the day I signed up here.

neo2142000 · Apr 9, 2005

Well I also live in Des Moines. Martin does not have a shop, and does not make his own parts. I dont even know if he has owned a DSM as of lately.

JayC · Apr 9, 2005

There are very few people here who can delete PMs and that will NOT be tolerated. I can check the administrator log and trust me, if I find someone deleting PMs, heads will roll.

On the flip side of that, we didnt recover 100% of the former DSMTalk database so it's possible some stuff didn't make it back.

nukefission · Apr 9, 2005

Ok guys, the free ride is up. There were some important issues that needed to be addressed here so I cut this thread some slack. I think by now all the legitimate points that could have been made, have been made.

On the phantom PM issue, no one's PMs were intentionally deleted by any of the current and former mods or admins. Before the board went down last year it was having some major problems so unfortunately that's the best explanation we can give you. There are no cover-ups going on here. If there were do you really think this thread would have been open for so long?

I probably sound like a broken record by now, but this time I mean it. Any post after the period at the end of this sentence that does not conform to the topic - or the rules of this forum - will be removed.

me612 · Apr 9, 2005

I'm chimming in as I too was a TSS victim. My order for the rear camber kit was placed on August 19, 2004. Paid the money paypal. According to his site, it takes him awhile to ship out the stuff. So by the time I decided there was a problem, it was too late to get my money back via paypal. I've contacted the BBB, they gave up. I pretty much consider myself screwed in this situation. I have never heard a word from him. Not 1 email, phone call, nothing. It sucks, but I figure it's a tough $80 lesson learned.

Ok just the facts Taboo Speed shop.

Van

nukefission

Bazza2541

ntjoe

Dsmman

Dsmman

Lancer14

anconover

ekool

boostedinaz

greenstreak

greenstreak

mark93

Iceman21

diambo4life

Turbo98

neo2142000

JayC

nukefission

me612

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