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hey I have a question...If you had 2 lets say 1997 manual trans. eclipses both with 0 miles and both exactly the same except for one was a GST and the other a GSX and both cars had equally experienced drivers in driving and launching fwd and awd respectively...which would win in the quarter mile? I know that awd is better at launching but doesnt matter after that and the fwd manual transmissions are 300lbs lighter that an awd, which is 3 tenths of a second. I read on some review that a fwd would win because of it being lighter but I really dont know...any comments?

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Well technically with 0 miles you shouldn't be racing either of them since they still need to be broken in.

But to answer the question I think the AWD would take the FWD. Yeah there is a bit of weight savings but the advantage of AWD is quite alot. Expecially if you don't care about "hurting" the car. Rev it to 7K and dump the clutch. I don't think he'd win by much...but the AWD sill has the edge. Most races are won in the first 60 feet.

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This would be an interesting hypothetical. If 300lbs is equal to 3/10ths then there is a slight advantage. But the AWD launch is worth about 3/10ths also. This would every close, but what difference does it make, this would never happen. In the real world, the AWD is superior because a neophyte can drive it better than they could an WWD.
I think if the driver is prefect, the weight savings would be the most important thing, but we all know that we aren't perfect drivers.
 
another thing to consider is the different gearing of the two, and the awd has more of a power loss from the crank to the pavement. i'd still say the awd, cause i have one.
 
Hypothetically speaking.Doesn't the AWD have some sort of tranny saving device that doesn't let you drop the hammer at 6K rpms.I believe this little device would prevent the AWD from having a great launch and the FWD would win.
You were talking stock cars weren't you?
WWD?I'm offended.
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Anyway I'm glad I have a FWD.Most of my friends with AWDs had to rebuild the tranny at least once.
Mine's still intact.

[Edited by fourg63 on 06-03-2001 at 02:19 PM]
 
That I didn't know. Do you have anymore info on this? What is the MAX rpm you can launch at on a AWD car? It's still going to work to your advantage cause the FWD can't launch very high for he will be spinning the tires and the AWD will hook.

Everyone knows that AWD can be hard on the driveline. It's all in part on how you drive it and "if you did it right the first time".

Seabass
 
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An AWD talon will get a better launch but the FWD one will catch up by the end of the 1/4 mile, and will keep pulling after that leaving the awd talon behind.

Personally i'd like to have two talons, one awd and one fwd. One fore insane launches and another for insane top end.
Theres actually a local guy here who has a fwd talon and has a 17c turbo, fmic and couple other stuff and he managed to chirp 5th gear.... thats right 5th!
He goes by the name "Chirped 5th" :)
We went out yesterday lookin for some races but couldnt find any, i'd love to see him spin through all gears again ;)
 
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5th GEAR!?!?! thats cool...never heard of that..I chirp from second to third now but thats it...but yeah if the fwd would overtake the awd in the end I'm glad I didnt spend the extra cash for the gsx. anyone have any actual times of similar or stock cars to verify anything?

-Aaron
 
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1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T 0-60 6.4 1/4 mile 15.0
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 0-60 6.4 1/4 mile 14.9

Btw theres no need for this wrong wheel drive shit talk, its pretty dumb seeing people argue which car is better when they have basically the same one.
 
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I agree, I just enjoy having a dsm and being able to kill z28s and GTs and still get 23+ mpg...ha ha! Yeah so in the end it looke like you are paying a few thousand dollars for a tenth of a second, hmmph. Ill just spend that on a turbo, turbo back exhaust, etc etc and be in the 12s. Maybe the awd helps if you go off roading in your dsm =) anyways thanks for the info.

-Aaron
 
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both are great cars.. in stock form gsx only has a .1 sec advantage, but when you start making more power, the fwd can't put it on the ground as easily, and the gap widens. However fwd is highway king because it gets more power through the drivetrain, and it weighs less. It will also get better gas mileage. But with a few mods the awd will still do 0-60 in less than 5 seconds.. on gravel. And it is the king of rain and snow, and handles better overall. You gotta love going around bends at 70 when it's pouring outside and every other car can only do 25.
 
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Ok I have to refer back to gearing awd roughly has 4.10 gears stock.The 300lbs sucks,but being geared lower helps accelerate faster. Plus in 500 hp awd, vs 500 hp fwd on a street race from a roll. Both punch it fwd is going to spin those tires and awd start pulling away, at some point FWD will pass it but gearing comes in, assuming fwd got speed limiter cut out. Anytime you punch it, the weigh wants to goto the rear. Ill agree its WWD. It was put in many cars because its easier for inexperienced driver to handle. I got video of my brother lighting up all 4 tires on a 7 psi awd launch, he didn't hook up till part of 2nd gear. He is about 400 hp ish. As for AWD being stupid easy to drive, I doubt it, Yea you can get better 60s than most fwd, rwd (street tire cars), but cutting the low times is hard, i let 4 people drag my car 2.1,2.2,2.0, even 1.9, I get back in my car 1.7-1.6s. The way to go is RWD. Again our cars were main for rally. At least 1Gs, don't know many 2G rally cars. Also as far as drag goes, fwd can do well only with slicks, look at glazer he does cold launches, does same 60s I do, and rest of good street racers do. Slicks make world of difference, do a burnout and you get those tires up to 110 degrees or more and you are off. I was getting owned one day by a bolt on auto LS1, stall, intake,headers,exhaust, with slicks pulling 1.5s the whole time. I run slightly faster traps speeds than slightly modded ones on pump gas.

http://times.dsm.org

look at the 2 rwds, compared to awd race cars, and awd street cars,even 60's of fwd cars etc


I am going to buy another 1G beater raise it 4" with rally shocks, 15" wheels, with dirt tires and go have a blast in desert I live in..
 
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When i had just k&n on my awd and my friend had just k&n on his fwd, he won. Id say we were even drivers as well. I was way ahead of him on the launch but a little past the 1/8th he passed me right up, pretty quickly too. I think fwd is faster until traction becomes a huge issue.
 
Don't be offended by the WWD thing. I have one WWD and 2 AWDs. They are all great. My WWD kills much more modded cars on the freeway, but I have alot of traction problems until I am going over 70. It spins 3rd with just a roll on.
BTW, I registered the domain www.wrongwheeldrive.com for our local DSM club. Our FWD guys like it. We have a domain for the AWD guys (www.gottraction.com) and one for the WWD guys now. We all like it. We have stickers for whatever applies.
 
Ok, I’ll bite..

First off posting numbers is not relevant to this discussion since the criteria (perfect drivers, perfect launches) is not practical in the real world.

In stock form the launch will be very similar. Sure you can rev the AWD to 6k and dump it, but the stock AWD I drove had a tendency to bog afterward since the car didn’t make enough power to continue through with the high RPMs. The AWD will be slightly ahead after the launch, but will be walked down because:

AWD is heavier and loses more power due to friction (more parts)

FWD is going to have better gearing at the top end.

Past the ÂĽ, the FWD will continue to increase distance at an accelerating pace (until ~130 due to the governor).

All that said, If Spyders came AWD, I’d have one..

[Edited by Silver Spyder on 06-03-2001 at 08:59 PM]
 
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