TD04 & TD05H???

1GTalonTSI · Oct 15, 2005

I did some searching and didn't find the answer I was looking for... anyway I was trying to find the difference between TD04 & TD05H. the JDM motor I had installed in me 92 TSI came with a TD04 My old engine has the TD05H and manifold still on the old motor. is one better than the other, the guy that did the install said he put the TD04 because it spools faster than the TD05H. Some of the searches stated the same thing.

Also I was wondering about shaft play how do I know what the limits for this are... 0 tolerance?

If for some reason I decide to put the TD05H on do I need to use the old manifold?

The car: stock except aircan mod. 5Speed Manual

Thanks for any advice...

Bnoland · Oct 15, 2005

That technically is just the intake housing "ID number" so to speak. The bigger thing that you will need to know is what compressior and exhaust wheel is on it. It should flow more air there for it can support more power. You should be able to bolt it right up. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong but I think that is correct.

1GTalonTSI · Oct 15, 2005

what compressior and exhaust wheel..? I will look into it thanks.

Bnoland · Oct 15, 2005

There are a few different mitsubishi turbos that use the TD04 and TD05 compressor housings. The way the fins are cut and angled on the wheels inside the turbo is what makes the big difference in the characteristics of how the turbo spools and how much air will flow through them. Again I think I am correct in how I am explaining this but please correct me if I am wrong. I believe the Evo/big 16G uses the TD05 housing. The small 16g and the 14b use the TD04 housing.

1GTalonTSI · Oct 15, 2005

wow maybe I need to get out there and take the turbo off of the old block.

Bnoland · Oct 15, 2005

I would if I were you. Keep it around even if you don't use it right now. Check for shaft play in and out and up and down. Alittle is not bad, and I mean a very very little but basiclly none is what you want. You can find pictures of the diffrent wheels or if you have a local turbo shop they should be able to tell you which one it is.

1GTalonTSI · Oct 15, 2005

I checked it and there was no movement at all, I am assuming it is the shaft on the intake side. the one that is currently on the car has a little play I noticed a few weeks ago when cleaning the filter. Thanks.

Some numbers I found:

A2 7C 1/0
49178-04410 (raised lettering)
S 9710280874 (stamped) Serial?

Bnoland · Oct 15, 2005

I am not sure what/if those numbers mean anything. Anyone else know??

*edit* I did a search on "49178-04410" and it brought up a web site called turbo masters. It was a long list of turbos listed by numbers like that one. From the loaction of this number on the list I think it was a 16G of some form.

Asmodeus · Oct 15, 2005

incorrect!
TDO4=13b turbo found on auto 1g's with 3hundred something cc/min injectors and less boost stock. See also; suck
TD05=14b 99% of the time with the 16g using the same turbine AKA exhaust housing but with different compressor AND wheel characteristics.

The small 16g uses the "TD05" turbine housing but a smaller variant of the compressor housing. Flows about 50cfm less. Still can throw down 300whp like a sumbitch. Spools slightly faster. Marginal. A properly ported/clipped big 16g will still be fast and potent. See also; Evo III 16g.

Also... your side to side play if minimal is little to worry about unless you plan on pushing the hell out of it. In and out... bad stuff.

SVT Rob · Oct 15, 2005

Bnoland said:
There are a few different mitsubishi turbos that use the TD04 and TD05 compressor housings. The way the fins are cut and angled on the wheels inside the turbo is what makes the big difference in the characteristics of how the turbo spools and how much air will flow through them. Again I think I am correct in how I am explaining this but please correct me if I am wrong. I believe the Evo/big 16G uses the TD05 housing. The small 16g and the 14b use the TD04 housing.

You are incorrect. The 13g, which came stock on the auto DSM's, and whatever size turbo's come on the Stealth's and 3000GT's, I think they are 12b's, are TD04. The 14b up to the 18g are a TD05. There are a lot of differences besides just the compressor housing. On the TD04, the turbine wheel is smaller, bearing housing is smaller, the oil feed and water lines are smaller, it comes with a smaller turbine housing, and the manifold has a smaller opening to feed the turbine housing. You will want to replace the TD04 stuff with the TD05 stuff. This will include the exhaust manifold, turbo, that big water pipe from the back of the waterpump which has the water lines for the turbo, and the oil feed line. You will need all the banjo bolts and copper crush washers also.

Rob

Bnoland · Oct 15, 2005

Asmodeus said:
incorrect!
TDO4=13b turbo found on auto 1g's with 3hundred something cc/min injectors and less boost stock. See also; suck
TD05=14b 99% of the time with the 16g using the same turbine AKA exhaust housing but with different compressor AND wheel characteristics.

The small 16g uses the "TD05" turbine housing but a smaller variant of the compressor housing. Flows about 50cfm less. Still can throw down 300whp like a sumbitch. Spools slightly faster. Marginal. A properly ported/clipped big 16g will still be fast and potent. See also; Evo III 16g.

Also... your side to side play if minimal is little to worry about unless you plan on pushing the hell out of it. In and out... bad stuff.

Nice info! Thanks.. I knew someone would come out of the wood work if I was wrong on it. Thanks for the info and the correction.

Asmodeus · Oct 15, 2005

Me thinks we were both typing at the same time...

Actually the 3KGTVR4 are 11b or 9b's.
way smaller but... you do get two...

Don't know the turbine housing # TD0... on them tho.

Bnoland · Oct 15, 2005

SVT Rob said:
You are incorrect. The 13g, which came stock on the auto DSM's, and whatever size turbo's come on the Stealth's and 3000GT's, I think they are 12b's, are TD04. The 14b up to the 18g are a TD05. There are a lot of differences besides just the compressor housing. On the TD04, the turbine wheel is smaller, bearing housing is smaller, the oil feed and water lines are smaller, it comes with a smaller turbine housing, and the manifold has a smaller opening to feed the turbine housing. You will want to replace the TD04 stuff with the TD05 stuff. This will include the exhaust manifold, turbo, that big water pipe from the back of the waterpump which has the water lines for the turbo, and the oil feed line. You will need all the banjo bolts and copper crush washers also.

Rob

I can see the light now.. It Burns!! lol, thanks for looking out guys. I have learned something today now.

Bnoland · Oct 15, 2005

Asmodeus said:
Me thinks we were both typing at the same time...

Actually the 3KGTVR4 are 11b or 9b's.
way smaller but... you do get two...
Don't know the turbine housing # TD0... on them tho.

Lol.. seems that way doesn't it? I didn't know the turbos went that small!!

Thanks for the input guys. I know he will be swapping turbos very soon now.

1GTalonTSI · Oct 15, 2005

Hmmm I think I recall the mechanic telling me the old one was a 14b and the one from the JDM motor was a 14A (wrong?) I am sure it is a stock turbo... so I would assume it would be a 14b. I just wanted to ID for myself and see if maybe the old one would be better or not...

if you mean "pushing it" as in running the hell out of my car then yes I do... I drive 500mi a week and I very seldon shift below 5k I have been driving the same damn route for 3 year and cruise 80-90mph... except in the snow.

Thanks for the help!

Asmodeus · Oct 15, 2005

No more than likely... if it was actually a JDM motor... it came with something good. Like a 16g. The small one I think? Now I'm speculating... and I just yelled at Bnoland...

They may have come with a 14b... but since there aren't T/E/L in Japan... just evo's... shouldn't it be a bigger turbo... tho even that depends on year.
I wouldn't try and tell what it is from TDO5 4 whatever. Its not specific enough... as you see different turbos can still have a housing in common.

Asmodeus · Oct 15, 2005

I meant running a shit load of boost. Not driving you car alot.

1GTalonTSI · Oct 15, 2005

SVT Rob said:
You are incorrect. The 13g, which came stock on the auto DSM's, and whatever size turbo's come on the Stealth's and 3000GT's, I think they are 12b's, are TD04. The 14b up to the 18g are a TD05. There are a lot of differences besides just the compressor housing. On the TD04, the turbine wheel is smaller, bearing housing is smaller, the oil feed and water lines are smaller, it comes with a smaller turbine housing, and the manifold has a smaller opening to feed the turbine housing. You will want to replace the TD04 stuff with the TD05 stuff. This will include the exhaust manifold, turbo, that big water pipe from the back of the waterpump which has the water lines for the turbo, and the oil feed line. You will need all the banjo bolts and copper crush washers also.

Rob

So the mechanic was blowin' smoke up my

when he said I was better off with the smaller turbo?!?! He just wanted to swap the motor and not all the other turbo parts... hmmm...

1GTalonTSI · Oct 15, 2005

Asmodeus said:
I meant running a shit load of boost. Not driving you car alot.

oh

Asmodeus · Oct 15, 2005

Me thinks he walked off with a $500 16g.

Or atleast tried to. Or he's a fuck-tard. <-- technical term.
And knows SHIT about what he said/is doing.
Makes me worry about your car...
ALOT.

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