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Gamble said:
Real HID kits have a projector housing so you get a sharp cut off line, if you just put in you get a glare which distracts other drivers.

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the catch to getting pulled over is when you have those annoyiung deep blue n purple shi*'s that cops love to see hitting them in the face when they're setting up speed traps thats how you get bagged. But if you get the 4300k retrofitted or not, it wont be as bad for uncomming traffic. When I had my 6k ones the were fine, the cut off line wasnt sharp as oem as you started before but the glare was no where near as bad like others with higher value color temp.
 
Discussion starter · #22 ·
Retro fitting some HID Projectors was what I wanted to do int he first place
I've heard its a B.I.T.C.H.
and damn near impossible to get the fine line level and look right.

I know a local guy who did them and actually sold them, but when a customer told me his fitting and pointing was shitty, I turned away and just wanted some night bright lights for night driving that arent annoying or pointless.

If anyone has done the retro fit please chime in
I would love to have this subject elaborated on more than it has been.
 
I have a 6000k McCullough kit thats plug and play and the light output is great in my 91 MR2 Turbo.

I have a 4300k ebay type brand for my 00 celica and some 3000k fog bulbs I havent installed yet.
 
Discussion starter · #25 ·
I'm hoping to have my parents buy the kit for me for christmas, so once I get all my info in line, I'll give them the list of parts I need to get a nice HID kit into my car with the ebay lights.

My ex girlfriends dad is a police chief and strict to modifying cars and said the headlights can be yellow and white, no blue, no red, no other color. He said as long as they don't SEEM modified in some stupid obvious way then 11 times out of 10 you wont be pulled over for it.

he said if its an obnoxious color that distracts others or seems modified, then its a legit reason to pull you over and write a ticket. He said the 33 years hes been in the force hes never had a headlight ticket come through.
 
Its not necessarily a matter of legality in getting pulled over. Its also a matter of you technically wont pass visual inspection with aftermarket HIDs installed.

If you have a way around that, no worries. If not, then youre gonna have to take them off every year you have to pass inspections.
 
as stated: 4300k is what All OEM's used. This will give you the most light, period. As you go up in k, the light output goes down. There are 6000k bulbs made by some of the OEM manufactures, but thats the highest you can go with you getting some type of shitty korean/chineese kit.

Being some one who has messed around with HID's a ton, I'll post my input.

Non projector HID setups do not hold a candle to a proper projector HID retrofit.

My experience has been with tons of cheap plug & play kits, the now out of production Sylvania h0654 kit, and retrofitting my Lexus with OEM projectors. My wife also has an 01 audi a6 for me to compare my retrofits to a OEM HID setup.

With the cheap plug & play kits that use a stock style halogen housing, you're going to blind on coming traffic no matter what.

With a kit designed to use a hid bulb in a refelector style housing, and using a glare shield, you can get acceptable light output and cut off. I don't know weather this kit has a HID bulb shoved into a non HID housing, or not, but the sylvania kit had the shield, and was designed for HID bulbs and it still wasn't perfect. There were a couple hot spots making lighting not optimal, and the cut off wasn't perfect. These would work, but I wouldn't pay 500$ for them again.

Using an acura TSX projector, and genuine OEM phillips ballasts, HID's are amazing. Good cut off, good light dispersion, no blinding on coming traffic, these make drving in the back woods roads to my house at night not a chore. They were as good or better than my wifes A6 hid's from the factory, with the fact that she has auto leveling built into my car, and I have to adjust mine when ever I put a big load in the back. I also spent tons of hours (30 give or take) retrofitting the projector, cleaning up my headlights, ect and 6-700$ in used parts (Projectors, ballasts, and bulbs were 500$ off ebay).

I also would not bother running anything but the trigger from the stock wiring. Most HID's can pull too much current on start up for the stock wiring to handle. I put 30amp fuses, and 40/50 amp relays, 12 awg wiring on each ballast on the retrofit I did. Anything worth doing is worth doing right.

My justification for doing good HID's the right way, was that silverstar bulbs cost a ton these days, 20-30$. I was burning them out every 4-6 months. That adds up after a while , and the average HID bulb from a good OEM setup (Phillips, Sylvania) will last 8-10 years of average night driving.

for more info visit http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/
 
Discussion starter · #28 ·
Ok, Well I've decided to stay away from an HID kit and just go with a nice set of headlights and bulbs.

I know Sylvania makes silverstar ultras, but when getting these headlights, is there still need for a relay and extra harness?

Some silverstar ultras, and silverstar ultra fog light bulbs would be pretty decent for what I'm looking for, from what I've gathered.

Has anyone had experiences with these bulbs?
and can anyone elaborate more on fuses/relays/harnesses if needed for these bulbs?

Thanks for the input!
 
Discussion starter · #33 ·
After making my decision with some silverstars I did a little research with my girlfriend truck to see what they offer.

I was quite impressed they offer a headlight for $40.00, black housing with projectors.
As far as these headlights go, quality and porjectors they seem to look quite decent.
However, after seeing my friends talong with projectors and the poor light they put out, I'm a little weary on buying her a set of these over some nice crystal ones with a set of silverstars.

My question is, these ebay projectors with a NICE HID kit, would they still put out bad lighting?
My friends talon however, he kept the ebay lights they gave him, and obviosly those lights are worthless.
I'm thinking another gift for her for christmas is either

1. Black housing projectors with a nice HID kit to throw in them.

OR

2. A nice set of crystal headlights, with some silverstars.

One other thing, the H4 bulbs, are those dual elements for Hi/Lo beams in the projectors? I'm assuming so, and this whole headlight situation is starting to educate me a little more:)

ippkiss and others who have done the projectors in their 1Ga's, your word would be greatly apreciated!

Link to Headlights:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/82-9...QcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33710QQihZ020QQitemZ300179295937QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
 
My Evo has silverstars courtesy of the previous owner. The lows are meh, thru the standard halogen projectors (RS = no HID = gay) The high beam standard lights are absolutely rediculous. I can literally bestow daylight upon you in anything just shy of a 1/4 mile. Easy 600-800ft of light and I get such good side flaring coming off of them I'm 30ft deep into the trees coming straight out the side of the headlight at 90* flat forward cone. They are SO bright I have to be careful. In oncoming traffic on dark country roads they are almost a weapon.

But somehow thru the projector they maybe go 100/150ft. Way too low, Good side lighting, but not enough forward projection to be all that useful.
 
Discussion starter · #35 ·
silverstars in a non projector housing would be best.

but an HID kit in the ebay projector headlights, would those work well?
I heard the projectors on ebay are garbage, but if the light iin them is good, are they worth the $40?
 
ippkiss said:
as stated: 4300k is what All OEM's used. This will give you the most light, period. As you go up in k, the light output goes down. There are 6000k bulbs made by some of the OEM manufactures, but thats the highest you can go with you getting some type of shitty korean/chineese kit.

Being some one who has messed around with HID's a ton, I'll post my input.

Non projector HID setups do not hold a candle to a proper projector HID retrofit.

My experience has been with tons of cheap plug & play kits, the now out of production Sylvania h0654 kit, and retrofitting my Lexus with OEM projectors. My wife also has an 01 audi a6 for me to compare my retrofits to a OEM HID setup.

With the cheap plug & play kits that use a stock style halogen housing, you're going to blind on coming traffic no matter what.

With a kit designed to use a hid bulb in a refelector style housing, and using a glare shield, you can get acceptable light output and cut off. I don't know weather this kit has a HID bulb shoved into a non HID housing, or not, but the sylvania kit had the shield, and was designed for HID bulbs and it still wasn't perfect. There were a couple hot spots making lighting not optimal, and the cut off wasn't perfect. These would work, but I wouldn't pay 500$ for them again.

Using an acura TSX projector, and genuine OEM phillips ballasts, HID's are amazing. Good cut off, good light dispersion, no blinding on coming traffic, these make drving in the back woods roads to my house at night not a chore. They were as good or better than my wifes A6 hid's from the factory, with the fact that she has auto leveling built into my car, and I have to adjust mine when ever I put a big load in the back. I also spent tons of hours (30 give or take) retrofitting the projector, cleaning up my headlights, ect and 6-700$ in used parts (Projectors, ballasts, and bulbs were 500$ off ebay).

I also would not bother running anything but the trigger from the stock wiring. Most HID's can pull too much current on start up for the stock wiring to handle. I put 30amp fuses, and 40/50 amp relays, 12 awg wiring on each ballast on the retrofit I did. Anything worth doing is worth doing right.

My justification for doing good HID's the right way, was that silverstar bulbs cost a ton these days, 20-30$. I was burning them out every 4-6 months. That adds up after a while , and the average HID bulb from a good OEM setup (Phillips, Sylvania) will last 8-10 years of average night driving.

for more info visit http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/
Absolutely 1000% agree with everything in this post.

Can't wait to do the HID retro on the VR-4. Quad e46 bixenon PJs in 94 Stealth glass lamp housings, 4300K main beams, 3000K fogs.
 
+1 ^. simply put thats one of the best answers/replies you could have gotten. James, you still workin on that retro? Im soon to start mine. Oh yeah btw I dont know if you remember but last time we spoke [on your seats] I was talking about getting my car running. Well I got a nice 99 GSX, i pick her up tomorrow. My retro will be going into that.
 
Discussion starter · #38 ·
Retro fitting seems way over my head as far as getting them in and level.

How dificult is it?
Is there any write ups on this?
I didn't search too hard, but it seems to be more of a "I have the talent and time, just havn't gotten to do a write up on the long process"

Aside from retro-fitting, what about ebay projectors with a good HID kit. Are those projectors shitty?!
 
If you get the ebay projectors make sure to seal them before putting them in. They have a tendency to leak and fog. If you were to buy a set, seal them up, and put a hid kit into them, then they would do the job as long as they are aimed well. Still not as good as a retro-fit but for the money and if you are a little short on the "know how" then this would work fine for you.
 
95GSX6bolt said:
+1 ^. simply put thats one of the best answers/replies you could have gotten. James, you still workin on that retro? Im soon to start mine. Oh yeah btw I dont know if you remember but last time we spoke [on your seats] I was talking about getting my car running. Well I got a nice 99 GSX, i pick her up tomorrow. My retro will be going into that.
Congrats on the new car! :)

Actually I haven't started the retro yet, though I've had the parts for it for quite a while now. I had a bad off back in September at TWS and hurt the car a little, so my big thing right now is getting her back on all fours. I'm shooting for an event in early February to have her back on track... and as long as I work faster than the speed of smell, she'll be driveable well before then (maybe by end of this month).

The 99 front end and HID stuff won't be going on the car till next summer at the earliest.
 
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