I hear a rumor that Extreme turbo is starting to release their bolt-on Garretts next week. Has any one else heard this rumor. If it is true I think I might have to give them a buzz and order one. Any opions on what size? My front mount is ordered and will be here next week along with a new tranny. That will be installed before the Garrett any opions are appreciated. Thanks.
Bolt-on Garretts Released
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I agree with most of you, and will keep a watch on things.... I do have an S-AFC, with proper monitoring gauges. Juptronix, EGT, Boost, Fuel Pressure, and I'm getting the new intake temp gauge that autometer offers so I can see how effective my FMIC is. I should have stated better that David said the (somewhat) stock car was equiped with proper fuel mods as well as full exhuast from my understanding. AKA: Injectors/Fuel pump/S-afc. I plan on upgrading to larger 660's or larger, but for now I think I will be safe with around 15-16psi or so and David agreed. I'll just watch my 02's and EGT's. I also am picking up an OBDII pocketlogger. My car is equpied with Apexi N1 exhuast, RSR DP, RC 550's, Walbro Fuel pump, AFC, AVC-R, AEM fuel pressure riser (on the way), Apexi FMIC, etc....I've talked to a lot of different tunners and they think I should be ok as long as I keep it reasonable with the 550's. I'm just gonna play it safe. I'll post my dyno numbers ASAP.
Derek
I agree with most of you, and will keep a watch on things.... I do have an S-AFC, with proper monitoring gauges. Juptronix, EGT, Boost, Fuel Pressure, and I'm getting the new intake temp gauge that autometer offers so I can see how effective my FMIC is. I should have stated better that David said the (somewhat) stock car was equiped with proper fuel mods as well as full exhuast from my understanding. AKA: Injectors/Fuel pump/S-afc. I plan on upgrading to larger 660's or larger, but for now I think I will be safe with around 15-16psi or so and David agreed. I'll just watch my 02's and EGT's. I also am picking up an OBDII pocketlogger. My car is equpied with Apexi N1 exhuast, RSR DP, RC 550's, Walbro Fuel pump, AFC, AVC-R, AEM fuel pressure riser (on the way), Apexi FMIC, etc....I've talked to a lot of different tunners and they think I should be ok as long as I keep it reasonable with the 550's. I'm just gonna play it safe. I'll post my dyno numbers ASAP.
Derek
I understand what you guys are saying about getting all the supporting mods first, but I really couldnt pass up the deal of this new turbo from the group buy. I got the mf1 lev. 1 and should have it in a couple weeks.
So here's my dilemma and hopefully I can get some good advice from you guys:
I had planned to get 550s and an s-afc, but the price ($720) of the turbo was so good I felt I had to jump on it. (BTW, the prices will be raised by 10% soon according to dsm-performance) So the only fuel upgrade I have is the fuel pump upgrade and the only monitoring equipment I have is the blinkey light a/f guage modified by mach v.
QUESTION #1: Should I install the turbo or wait until I have the 550s and the s-afc?
It's gonna kill me to have this thing sitting on the shelf while I'm out cruising with my T25.
QUESTION #2: Ideally it would be great to get an egt guage, 550s, and an s-afc. Well, I can't afford all of them at once. I can probably afford either the s-afc OR the egt/550s. Which should I get first?
Help!
So here's my dilemma and hopefully I can get some good advice from you guys:
I had planned to get 550s and an s-afc, but the price ($720) of the turbo was so good I felt I had to jump on it. (BTW, the prices will be raised by 10% soon according to dsm-performance) So the only fuel upgrade I have is the fuel pump upgrade and the only monitoring equipment I have is the blinkey light a/f guage modified by mach v.
QUESTION #1: Should I install the turbo or wait until I have the 550s and the s-afc?
It's gonna kill me to have this thing sitting on the shelf while I'm out cruising with my T25.
QUESTION #2: Ideally it would be great to get an egt guage, 550s, and an s-afc. Well, I can't afford all of them at once. I can probably afford either the s-afc OR the egt/550s. Which should I get first?
Help!
<99mmcgsx if you get 550's you need an afc to lean things out, on top of that you need an egt gauge cuz your playing with your fuel. Either get them all at once or none at all, well you can get the egt gauge.>
I agree, however I wouldn't go as far as to say none at all. If you can only afford these things in sections that is fine, but DON"T start playing with your fuel until you can properly monitor whats going on in the engine. I would suggest going with an EGT FIRST and a Jumptronix, this will help you find a safe boost level to run with stock injectors and upgraded fuel pump. I think you will be fine with stock injectors as long as you don't get TOO BOOST happy, You are still running stock SMIC I assume. Just watch your gauges. We could all give ball park figures as to what will be safe to run based on personal experiences, or averages.....and probablly be pretty accurate, however the only true safe way to tell "how much boost" is with monitoring gauges. After the gauges are in place then upgrade to an S-AFC. I'd make a trip to the dyno for some fine tunning with this mod, then your injectors. However, it would be best to do them all at once if possible, definatley much safer. Mount the EGT in the manifold and just keep the Ex temps under 900C or 1650F...That's just my .02. Good Luck. Anyone else?
Derek
I agree, however I wouldn't go as far as to say none at all. If you can only afford these things in sections that is fine, but DON"T start playing with your fuel until you can properly monitor whats going on in the engine. I would suggest going with an EGT FIRST and a Jumptronix, this will help you find a safe boost level to run with stock injectors and upgraded fuel pump. I think you will be fine with stock injectors as long as you don't get TOO BOOST happy, You are still running stock SMIC I assume. Just watch your gauges. We could all give ball park figures as to what will be safe to run based on personal experiences, or averages.....and probablly be pretty accurate, however the only true safe way to tell "how much boost" is with monitoring gauges. After the gauges are in place then upgrade to an S-AFC. I'd make a trip to the dyno for some fine tunning with this mod, then your injectors. However, it would be best to do them all at once if possible, definatley much safer. Mount the EGT in the manifold and just keep the Ex temps under 900C or 1650F...That's just my .02. Good Luck. Anyone else?
Derek
I would personally try to find a used AFC from the trader from someone known. Then a Westach EGT Gauge. This should come to around 300-350 bucks. You can run stock 450cc injectors more than most people think. I could push 280whp out of them all day long with an old style AFC.
I would be careful to tune past 16psi on a stock sidemount. Access to a datalogger would help tremendously in this case. You probably won't see much above 18degrees of advance perfectly tuned. This is because the turbo outflows most everything else in your case. Not bad though...I would have went with a level 2 at least though.
If you have a Walbro 255 pump or equiv...I would get a AFPR, and set it up as per VFAQ page. This is another $200 but will save you hassles of tuning.
I would be careful to tune past 16psi on a stock sidemount. Access to a datalogger would help tremendously in this case. You probably won't see much above 18degrees of advance perfectly tuned. This is because the turbo outflows most everything else in your case. Not bad though...I would have went with a level 2 at least though.
If you have a Walbro 255 pump or equiv...I would get a AFPR, and set it up as per VFAQ page. This is another $200 but will save you hassles of tuning.
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I have around $2,100 dollar's. I have a 95 tsi fwd w/ Injen intake, 3'inch Exhaust,manual boost controler,upper ic pipe and Greddy bov.fuel pump. Mag wires and ngk plugs.
Which of these turbo's would be the best for me? I wanna get everything to suport the it. what will I need and can I get all for around 2grand? thankx
I have around $2,100 dollar's. I have a 95 tsi fwd w/ Injen intake, 3'inch Exhaust,manual boost controler,upper ic pipe and Greddy bov.fuel pump. Mag wires and ngk plugs.
Which of these turbo's would be the best for me? I wanna get everything to suport the it. what will I need and can I get all for around 2grand? thankx
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Do I need a front mounth right away or can I get by with just the stock side mounth? If I went with the level one? what kinda kinda mods would I need to run it?
Thankx for the info
Thankx for the info
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He'll need 660s to keep injector duty cycle under 85% running 18-20psi on pump gas. If you only plan on running 15-17psi on pump and then just turn up the boost at the track on race gas (increase Brake Specific Fuel Consumption) then 550s will be fine.DSMu4ia said:
Add mods slow and tune after each individual one. Don't just throw all the mods on at once. The fastest cars were usually modded slowly, tuning is the key, not just hard parts......
I run 19psi on pump gas, 550's, Walbro 255(re-wired) and I don't run out of fuel. Nor do I think my injector duty is up past 85%. I would have went 660's myself...but my old-style AFC only has a certain range of adjustment .
I'm interested in what you said though...and would like to know your theory on how 550's can be overran with 18psi on pump gas and a fuel pump.
. I'm interested in what you said though...and would like to know your theory on how 550's can be overran with 18psi on pump gas and a fuel pump.
That's my point here. I know tuning slow step by step is key, but I don't understand how I can take one step without falling down the entire flight of stairs.Nick 92 TSi AWD said:
For example...the turbo is a step. BUT, how do I tune it without an S-afc? And if I get an s-afc, it seems kinda pointless unless I get injectors too. SO, there I've gone ahead and bought injectors, an s-afc, and a new turbo all in one shot! Doesn't sound like slow step by step mods to me. Sorry I know I sound like I'm whining here but the whole thing is kind of like a big cycle. I know there are a ton of guys on this board with upgraded turbos, and I just need to know if they bought it all in one shot, or if they did it step by step.Unfortunately, I'm at a point now where I don't even think I should put on the turbo when I get it. Depending on who I talk to, if I just put the turbo on I'm either going to run high twelves all day or spontaneously erupt in a giant fireball, killing most of the free world in the process. I guess I should just wait until I have all the other fuel mods. Not sure how I can tune slowly doing it that way though, and I feel like if I throw all those parts at my car at once the thing is gonna cack up a big hairball at me and run like doggie poo.
I think I'll just go crawl in a cave and hug my new turbo in the fetal position.
Jon
99mmcgsx:
Install S-AFC : tune it for your injectors: visit the track.
Install Injectors : tune : visit the track.
Read up more on tuning : tune : visit the track.
Install the turbo : tune : visit the track.
Read up some more on tuninng : tune : visit the track.
If you think 1 month is too long to tune ... too bad
Install S-AFC : tune it for your injectors: visit the track.
Install Injectors : tune : visit the track.
Read up more on tuning : tune : visit the track.
Install the turbo : tune : visit the track.
Read up some more on tuninng : tune : visit the track.
If you think 1 month is too long to tune ... too bad
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I have a small Greddy front mount and they told me that, that was my limiting factor and I should go with a Level 3 (750cfm).
Does anyone know the intercooler CFM?
Does anyone know the intercooler CFM?
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so the level3 pushes more air than the fmic can flow? geez, anyone know what the apex fmic flows?? maybe im better off with a lvl2 also.
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I have a small Greddy front mount and they told me that, that was my limiting factor and I should go with a Level 3 (750cfm).
Does anyone know the intercooler CFM?
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I doubt anybody has any real numbers for either of these intercoolers. As far as I know its kinda like pulling teeth with those 2 companies to get any straight amswers. Neither company.....( as far as I know ) will release any REAL numbers on the intercoolers that they offer. I could be wrong but that has held true every time I placed calls to find out.
so the level3 pushes more air than the fmic can flow? geez, anyone know what the apex fmic flows?? maybe im better off with a lvl2 also.
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I have a small Greddy front mount and they told me that, that was my limiting factor and I should go with a Level 3 (750cfm).
Does anyone know the intercooler CFM?
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I doubt anybody has any real numbers for either of these intercoolers. As far as I know its kinda like pulling teeth with those 2 companies to get any straight amswers. Neither company.....( as far as I know ) will release any REAL numbers on the intercoolers that they offer. I could be wrong but that has held true every time I placed calls to find out.
I'm just not getting it here. Is it me? Maybe if you spelled it out a little clearer? I mean, is it me? Throw me a freakin bone here somebody...MoBoost said:99mmcgsx:
Install S-AFC : tune it for your injectors: visit the track.
Install Injectors : tune : visit the track.
Read up more on tuning : tune : visit the track.
Install the turbo : tune : visit the track.
Read up some more on tuninng : tune : visit the track.
If you think 1 month is too long to tune ... too bad
Just kidding moboost...thanks for the recipe!J
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