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#21 ·
DSMscreamer said:
I ran 30psi on my E316 and it pretty much held it to redline. It would slowly drop to maybe 28psi at the top of 3rd.
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Was this on a well flowing cammed motor?
Because ive never heard of anyone holding that much boost to redline on a evo316g. A guy local to me, Tom N. He drives a Galant, he was one of the first to lay down over 400 AWHP on a 16g setup and his car wouldnt see more than 24 to redline after a hard 30-31 psi spike.
I believe i recall TPG guys saying they were down to about the same amount of boost at redline; both 2.0s; which logically tells me that on a cammed 2.0 ( they had smim's) that that turbo maxes out in airflow up to about 24psi to redline.
 
#22 ·
tarantula said:
I'm not worried about the engine. If it blows it blows, I have another one... Nor was I worried about airflow. My question was geared toward Efficiency not performance. When I stated that I wanted to make sure its ok I meant for the turbo.
The T-25 can do 25psi but it can't do it efficiently. And if done repeatedly on the T-25 (25psi) its not going to last long. It will die sooner.
I paid alot of money for this turbo and hope to have it for a while. I want to make sure I run it efficiently, not just up the boost to max just to make massive HP. (though that is a plus) My car is mostly street. (and hardly driven)
If I wanted more than 52 lbs/min I would have gone bigger. And if I do decide to go bigger later on I can just send back my fp3052 and pay the upgrade charge to get it redone with the FP88HTA compressor wheel and cover. That would give me 80+ lbs/min and capable of 45 psi. Simple.
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Sure the 88HTA is an HTA and bolts to a DSM footprint. But it flows 80 lbs./min. Thing has to get full spool by like 6000. I would never go that route. The 4202R at that point would be a much better move.
 
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#23 ·
If your small turbo holds high boost till reline then it simple means your setup isn't efficient enough to max out the turbo at that boost level.

Boost taper on a well flowing setup with a small turbo isn't a bad thing, it simple means that you have the turbo flowing all the air it possibly can.
 
#24 ·
CanadianTSi said:
If your small turbo holds high boost till reline then it simple means your setup isn't efficient enough to max out the turbo at that boost level.

Boost taper on a well flowing setup with a small turbo isn't a bad thing, it simple means that you have the turbo flowing all the air it possibly can.
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I think it is more a testament to how well that turbo will hold high boost. I know a few guys who experienced the same thing with the E316G. One of them made >460whp on it. Properly setup that turbo just flows! Mine made almost as much power as my Green turbo did.

If I were to try and run 35psi on it, then yeah it would spike to that then quickly drop down to about 28psi. Maybe with a sheet metal intake you may have more drop off.
 
#25 ·
DSMscreamer said:
I think it is more a testament to how well that turbo will hold high boost. I know a few guys who experienced the same thing with the E316G. One of them made >460whp on it. Properly setup that turbo just flows! Mine made almost as much power as my Green turbo did.

If I were to try and run 35psi on it, then yeah it would spike to that then quickly drop down to about 28psi. Maybe with a sheet metal intake you may have more drop off.
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CanadianTsi's post was very correct.

DSMscreamer; Are you doing this on a unmolested evo3 16g?

Id be quite obvious that you have full supporting mods.

I find it hard pressed to even get that little turbo to still be at 25-26psi
at 7k on even just a non cammed, non smim 2.0.

Im not doubting you, and maybe there is a way to get it to flow like that. Thats not too questionable especially when you have more and more guys exceeding what everyone once thought as a limit on the 16g.
 
#26 ·
DSMscreamer said:
I think it is more a testament to how well that turbo will hold high boost. I know a few guys who experienced the same thing with the E316G. One of them made >460whp on it. Properly setup that turbo just flows! Mine made almost as much power as my Green turbo did.

If I were to try and run 35psi on it, then yeah it would spike to that then quickly drop down to about 28psi. Maybe with a sheet metal intake you may have more drop off.
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Oh and was that 460whp on a evo316g actually dynoed numbers or just dsmlink or butt dyno air flow log guessing?

The only people i know of who "claim" that much power out of the 16g is the TPG crew. A lot of people are skeptical ( including me) due to the fact of how small the compressor is and of the extent of what would reasonably be its physical flow limits.

Though there is no offical compressor map of the thing, and a lot of turbos can exceed their maps despite being pushed out of efficiency zone, there isnt much you can do to dramatically change the entire map except pre turbo water injection ( that i know of.)

I wish there was more concrete information going around for people laying down these kind of numbers.

Sorry for all this thread jacking; hopefully this info can still be made relevant or useful, as i just remembered the topic was on the 3052. :p
 
#27 ·
Black_ bullet said:
Oh and was that 460whp on a evo316g actually dynoed numbers or just dsmlink or butt dyno air flow log guessing?

The only people i know of who "claim" that much power out of the 16g is the TPG crew. A lot of people are skeptical ( including me) due to the fact of how small the compressor is and of the extent of what would reasonably be its physical flow limits.

Though there is no offical compressor map of the thing, and a lot of turbos can exceed their maps despite being pushed out of efficiency zone, there isnt much you can do to dramatically change the entire map except pre turbo water injection ( that i know of.)

I wish there was more concrete information going around for people laying down these kind of numbers.

Sorry for all this thread jacking; hopefully this info can still be made relevant or useful, as i just remembered the topic was on the 3052. :p
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The 460whp dyno number was from Curt Brown. I won't debate whether people believe his #s or not, I believe him. Also his track #s speak for him. Mine was slightly ported by me. Nothing special, got my 3440 lbs auto into the 11s. That's making some power I think.

I have also read some incredible things being done with the 3052. I think the field evidence shows that turbo may flow closer to 57-58lbs/min. I remember reading someone making some ungodly amount of power with that turbo.
 
#28 ·
I'M GLAD ONE OF YOU GUYS STEERED TOWARD TOPIC.:rolleyes:

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I will put my grain of salt as well. About a year ago I was running a Evo III with methanol, cams exhaust,dsmlink etc and I was boosting 24psi max, my dyno numbers were 317whp/337lb-tq to all 4 wheel on a Mustang dyno.

A few months ago I switched from the Evo III turbo to the FP3052 with 44tial.
My new numbers wet up to 400.0whp/358lb-tq, that was at 24psi and on the same dyno(mustang dyno and to all 4 wheels). I added the inatke manifold and gained another 9whp-2lb-tq peak but up to 26whp-20lb-tq at top above 6000rpm.

I am currently running my car daily driver(as always) and running 25psi. I only use 91oct gas because I am in Arizona. This turbo has much more to it. During the tune I was picking up close to 20whp per pound of boost that I was adding. We stopped the tune at just over 400whp(409) because my 7 bolt engine has almost 100000 miles, runs on 91oct (and methanol) and I prefer driveability/reliability over dynoqueen and failure.

I hope my feedback helps.
 
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evo8mrdude said:
I will put my grain of salt as well. About a year ago I was running a Evo III with methanol, cams exhaust,dsmlink etc and I was boosting 24psi max, my dyno numbers were 317whp/337lb-tq to all 4 wheel on a Mustang dyno.

A few months ago I switched from the Evo III turbo to the FP3052 with 44tial.
My new numbers wet up to 400.0whp/358lb-tq, that was at 24psi and on the same dyno(mustang dyno and to all 4 wheels). I added the inatke manifold and gained another 9whp-2lb-tq peak but up to 26whp-20lb-tq at top above 6000rpm.

I am currently running my car daily driver(as always) and running 25psi. I only use 91oct gas because I am in Arizona. This turbo has much more to it. During the tune I was picking up close to 20whp per pound of boost that I was adding. We stopped the tune at just over 400whp(409) because my 7 bolt engine has almost 100000 miles, runs on 91oct (and methanol) and I prefer driveability/reliability over dynoqueen and failure.

I hope my feedback helps.
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Sounds good.
 
Discussion starter · #36 ·
Well for my first run with 24 psi and a quick rich conservative tune here are my results. I know I can get into the 11's. I bounced off the rev limiter before realizing I already had to shift to second:rolleyes: . Launched at 5K and lit up the 4 tires.

FP3052 at 24 psi best
60ft 1.7 sec
1/4 mile 12.10 @ 119.5 MPH
1/8th 7.93 @ 93.1 MPH

Best 0-60 3.98 sec

I'm pretty happy for my first run.
 
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