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#2 ·
I'm confused at to what you are asking?

Why are people with 16g's running faster than some people with 50trims? The reason is that people don't need 50 trims at this point, and that they are not as modded as people with 16g's for example. At 16g with SMIM, high boost and E85 will outrun a 50trim at 19psi and pump gas any day of the week.

You have to take into account a lot more than just mods. Driver skill, weight, supporting mods, tuning software, experience comes into play.
 
Discussion starter · #4 ·
projecTSI said:
More than likely, tuning, driving, and experience. I didn't bother looking at the links, but I saw English Racing and RRE, and I would expect great cars from both companies.
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I agree totally. But these aren't really that modded or stripped cars either.

http://www.englishracing.net/news/2005/6/04/the-galant

car specs

The full weight English Racing Galant goes 12.2@114.9 on a Big 16G and pump gas.

English Racing purchased a Mitsubishi Galant GVR4 a few months back for the new family car to replace the Wife's 92 TSI (The Sportcake). The only mod the car had done to it was our GVR4 FMIC kit that we did as a prototype. Last week the car got some more mods...here is the list of what we have done to it.

* English Racing FMIC kit with intake (core 25×10x2-7/8)
* MAFT with 3in meter
* 255 hp fuel pump
* English Racing Methonal kit
* Big 16g with 2g exhaust manifold
* English Racing 3in turbo back exhaust (Mandral bent)
* Boost and methonal pressure gauges
* 4 bolt rear with the AWS stearing removed.
* ACT 2600 with street disc and ACT streetlite flywheel
* English Racing Boost controller set to 25psi.
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I've seen people with twice the mods and a 35r not hit this time or this one:

The English Racing red 92 tsi which is Lucas English wife's car named the sport cake turns a new best in the 1/4mi. Still on the stock 14b, 450cc and pressure plate turns an amazing 12.3@110 with full weight and a towing hitch for the jet skies.
 
#7 ·
DRIVING. People on this forum and many other forums think they can sit behind their computer and purchase parts with a piece of plastic and their car will just go 11's. I learned the hard way that getting your ass to the track and practice, practice, practice! I ran a 15 second time my first time going down the track with a 4g63 FWD car (with a 16g too). Not only was I nervous but had no idea how to drive FWD and it had been awhile since i'd been down the track.

I ended up churing out a 12.3 with the same mods but its all about SEAT TIME!!!
 
#8 ·
IMO these are the deciding factors.
Seat time.
The tune. The tuning device.
The fuel. Lots of people run 110 or c16,q16,e85 at the track when others running slower run pump.
 
#9 ·
Yeah seat time and proper tuning are the biggest factors, you need to be prepared to do it before you do.

I love when I hear friends tell me they will go to the track and kick everyones butt, meanwhile they have never set foot on a track.
 
#11 ·
A LOT of these cars that are a LOT faster than most of your similarly modded cars don't tell you everything. Some of them are tin cans, some of them are 10:1 motors (vs. your stock 7.8:1, which gives them an even bigger HP increase vs you), they can tune the car to the ragged edge while you keep yours a little safer cuz you gotta drive it every single day. Lots of little tricks that aren't fully disclosed. They might have a $1500 suspension setup, $1000 wheel/slick setup, that allows them to cut a 1.4 60' while you are eeking out 1.7 60's (that's good for over a half second in the 1/4 mile alone!).

Drive time and tuning play a huge part in everything. When I first slapped on my 50 trim on my GSX back in 2002, @19psi, I could barely muster mid 13's out of the setup. Hell, I went faster on my 16G in my FWD car than I did the first few trips out with the FPGreen turbo. After 6 mos, and a bunch of tweaking and tuning and driving later, I went from running 13.40's to 11.50's while changing NOTHING! Just tuning and driving. Didn't even switch to race gas either.

Gotta dedicate the time and effort to learn how to make the car run the numbers you want it to.
 
#12 ·
Spending time on the car and perfecting the setup.

How many people are there that run 12s with thier 50trims or bigger, get pissed and buy more mods to go faster, where their setup leaves so much more on the table.

I've been perfecting my setup for 2 years now to get it where it is, and for the turbo it has, the car moves. Because I didn't just throw parts at it, you work with what you got to maximize it, then upgrade from there. Parts are key, but so is good tuning and driving the car for all it's worth.

Also, I don't believe in race gas:)

Theres nothing that will make one person magically better than some one else, it's either thier car is tuned better, they have more seat time then you do, or they just have a setup that works very well.
 
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#13 ·
most ppl waste too much money on totally useless shit

My car has always been amazingly fast for what it is, always has been full weight

1g awd
smallll 16g
2.5dp 3' from there
21psi
walbro 190
580cc injectors
stock side mount!!!!
afc (butt tune)
hacked to shit 1g maf

12.6@108 1.7 60'
 
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confusious2002 said:
most ppl waste too much money on totally useless shit

My car has always been amazingly fast for what it is, always has been full weight

1g awd
smallll 16g
2.5dp 3' from there
21psi
walbro 190
580cc injectors
stock side mount!!!!
afc (butt tune)
hacked to shit 1g maf

12.6@108 1.7 60'
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The funny part what a lot of people don't get, is the more basic the setup the faster times a LOT of people run. My friend had a mod list very similar to yours (2g maf and fmic) and ran 12.5 on a small 16g FWD (no slicks IIRC) and now with a tubular manifold, scm61, bigger tb, 6puck and dsmlink he couldn't do better than a 11.7 (on slicks)
 
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Gamble said:
he couldn't do better than a 11.7 (on slicks)
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At max weight that turbo is maxxed out. Period. He's knockin on the door of mid 11's. I wouldnt complain. How many pounds is he running? At that point, the only gains I could see would be from better cams than stock(like some 264s or similiar).

I do concur with KISS. If something is getting complicated it gets removed in my car with the exception of a2w Ics. Fuckin love those things.
 
#16 ·
+1 for Tuning and driving.
A good driver can take a 16G equipped car into the sub 12 second 1/4mile region now-a-days without too much trouble.

One thing I have always wondered though, is why not many seem to be really pushing 20Gs/50trims?
 
Discussion starter · #17 ·
I guess it gives me hope that maybe with my setup I can break into the 12's. It just seems that are a lot of people that have over 10k in mods and can't even accomplish the times others have with half the mods.
 
#18 ·
stealthtt24 said:
DRIVING. People on this forum and many other forums think they can sit behind their computer and purchase parts with a piece of plastic and their car will just go 11's. I learned the hard way that getting your ass to the track and practice, practice, practice! I ran a 15 second time my first time going down the track with a 4g63 FWD car (with a 16g too). Not only was I nervous but had no idea how to drive FWD and it had been awhile since i'd been down the track.

I ended up churing out a 12.3 with the same mods but its all about SEAT TIME!!!
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I made a thread on the link forum along the same lines.

I keep upgrading but don't put in the seat time necessary to make my car perform anywhere near its current capabilities. As a result, my car runs very very slowly for what it has done.

My excuse is that the car is usually down for one reason or another so putting in the seat time isn't an option, but parts can be ordered at any time.

If it wasn't for fonz running 11.68@116 with his 16g, I would have upgraded already. I feel like if he can do that, I should at least be able to crack 12s without adding any more parts. Damn you fonz, damn you.
 
#19 ·
IMO, it's much more fun doing it this way.

I've had a bigger turbo sitting in my room for over a year now, but never installed it due to the fun of pushing the little turbo as far as it can go. When the bigger turbo is on the car will be that much quicker with it.

I like seeing minimalistic setups going fast... shows more dedication IMO

:) ryan , assumingyou have a 16g and it's supported well mid 12s should be no problem. I was running high 12's VERY lightly modded and mid-low 12s after an FMIC, then a bunch of time put into figuring out how to get the extra power out of it to be where it is now
 
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I also find that once you start to make good power, traction takes a dump in a hurry.

I went 12.90 on my 14b(pump gas, shitty tires, 3200lbs, stock engine, no N2O, stock manifolds etc) and it drove well and hooked well.

I then put on a gt-10 and a better intercooler and I couldn't hook up to save my life!! Almost hit the wall, like some 5.0 driven by a 16yr old kid!

When I learned it went faster. Well as fast as could be expected from a bent rod in #1 and a damaged ring land in #2 anyways...
 
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