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I'm pretty confused, i've been trying to find out what is needed for a Palm Logger. So far I understand I need the following:

- Palm PDA
- Palm HotSync Cable
- ODB2 Cable (Not sure if it has to be a specific kind, one part i'm confused about. If you can provide a link to one I could be would be greatly appreciated.)
- Software (From what I understand, in order to use the pocket logger software I have to buy one of their kits. Or buy a used one with a valid serial to get their software. Are there any other options for software?)

Not sure if there are any other items I need. Or what are my other options for tuning my GST. Here's what I have on it as far as mods go:

- Replaced the 2g BOV with the 1g BOV (Not Crushed)
- Replaced the T25 Turbo with the 14B turbo
- Replaced the Stock Intercooler with a Big Punisher FMIC.
- Installed a new Turbo Timer
- Installed Stabilizer Struts (Front and Back)
- Installed Extreme PSI 14b/16g Install Kit
- AutoMeter Z Series Boost Gauge
- AEM Intake

Currently boosting about 10psi with the current setup. I'd like to tune it to get about 15psi and make sure I'm not running too rich or too lean. Any help is appreciated, thanks DSMers!

- Eclipse Nut
 
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I'm not really the one to answer that, I was wondering myself haha. I havn't started the tuning aspect of my car and want to start understanding everything better. The only reason i would go with palm right now is because I have about 5 old palms laying around ha.
 
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bettfootball said:
I'm not really the one to answer that, I was wondering myself haha. I havn't started the tuning aspect of my car and want to start understanding everything better. The only reason i would go with palm right now is because I have about 5 old palms laying around ha.
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lol, NICE! Wanna sell one of those palms to me? :D

So far it's been quite a learning curve, and I've still yet to really understand how the "tuning" actually takes place. I figured I'd get the tools first then learn the process after. Besides, I haven't found any threads on how the tuning takes place. Have you had any luck?
 
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Ok, a few touch points for you guys right quick. The palm with OBDII cable is not really a tuning setup, just a logging/instrumentation thing. I have had pocketlogger for several years, and love it to see what's going on, but it's NOT a tuner. That said, all you need for it is a compatible Palm device, and order the software and cable from pocketlogger.com. Tunerstein is also an option, if you don't mind fooling around with looking for cables that might or might not work.

Now then - with a 98 you should have the plastic ECU. If so, there have been huge gains made lately with being able to tune ON THE STOCK ECU with software and a data port. That means, no SAFC or other piggybacks required. I'm not sure Palm software exists for this option the way it does for, say Link (which CAN be tuned from a palm pilot) as all I've read so far is laptop oriented.. it also means you can get some impressive sample rates on the Pocketlogger compared to the early 2G computers. Best I've ever been able to get from an eary 2G is about 8 samples a second. With my car (98, plastic ECU) I have been able to get 16 consistently and 18 with some data errors.

On the instrumentation front, you've got a good boost gauge, which is the first and most important. Next, some folks prefer a wideband O2 meter, some say a narrowband is OK with an EGT. Personally, I've had no problem using the Palm to check the ECU's reported a/f ratio, which after all is what the car will use to set fuel trims. I have used O2 meters tapped into the sensor, and found them to often report data more slowly and show different values than the Palm reported (ECU's data) with just the O2 sensor and timing up for monitoring. My own take is that while a wideband is the most accurate way to read your A/F ratio, the stock ECU can't use that data so unless you're using it to tune manually, or using a box to translate the signal and pass it to the ECU it's not a "must have".

EGT and boost gauge is what I myself suggest for anyone as "must haves", with O2 monitoring an open choice depending what they want to do. On my car, I also added a fuel pressure gauge (electronic) because I was having some regulator difficulties and decided it was worth keeping an eye on in the long run.
 
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Narrowbands are usless so are EGT's IMO. You will melt your engine before you are ever able to see that your are overheating with that guage. Get a wideband and something to monitor knock. These two things are very important.

Now then - with a 98 you should have the plastic ECU. If so, there have been huge gains made lately with being able to tune ON THE STOCK ECU with software and a data port. That means, no SAFC or other piggybacks required.
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This is called flashing or Ceddy's mod. It works on the 98/99 ECU's. Evo guys have been using it for awhile. It can do anything ECMlink can, however there is a much greater learing curve and you need to use seperate logging software to tune with it like evoscan.
 
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EGT as a tuning tool is not something I'll ever be without. Granted, it won't help you tell what's going on inside the combustion chamber as well as knock sum (or pulled timing) but as part of a suite it DOES help you see what's happening. I don't try to count on EGT as an AFR indicator like some folks do, but as part of a system. I'd like to add a nice CHT gauge like on a light aircraft, but that's way too much money. Plus EGT's are a handy way of keeping an eye on the turbo itself - high EGT's can tell you a lot about the operating condition of the system under different conditions.
 
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