Dr. JACKAL and Mr. Hyde: Galant record seeker. (1302/2000)

TSimage · Jul 27, 2010

Unless you guys frequented the GVR4 boards or the 14b Discussion thread, many simply figured I kicked the Talon to the curb to pursue another platform, but alas I got my hands on a 91 GVR4 1302/2000 Beliz green in fairly good condition. I know for many DSMers, a GVR4 aka EVO 0 is a "dream" car for a lack of another word and I couldn't pass up this deal!

Here she is on the way home: (AAA FTW!)

and pulling up to the house:

A little rough around the edges but zero rust and the body was clean as can be.

Interior was stripped to hell and all the parts were in the trunk lol:

Gotta love the bin full of parts from the previous owner:

Fresh rebuild with Zero miles: (but what a cluster fk)

It will need a lot of work, beginning with the absics of getting the right mounts and getting the motor squared away. After that we need to attack the angle that we are going to exploit this little guy:

And trick him into running 11s.

Don't worry, I got some secrets up my sleeves.

frankozz · Jul 27, 2010

I hate you.

TSimage · Jul 27, 2010

Ripper_XX said:
I want a VR4

Aren't they actually lighter than the T/E/L trio?

cAPSlOCK97gst said:
No, they weigh a bit more (~100lbs more than the AWD DSMs).

They are relatively close. Definitely not enough to matter. And that is considering it is a 4 door car with AWS. When yo remove the AWS I believe it weighs the same as a DSM if not less.

All in all its a badass car that has every bit the potential of any regular DSM. They are known for having a weaker tranny and the weak 3bolt rear but most like myself run a DSM transmission as well as swap to a 4bolt rear anyways (down the line) The engine it self comes stock at 8.5:1 so the compression alone on this thing exceeds and excels. I view it as a great platform to use that many simply don't understand or underestimate, plus the shock and awe factor that this 4door grocery getter just blew their doors off.

Ripper_XX · Jul 27, 2010

I want a VR4

Aren't they actually lighter than the T/E/L trio?

cAPSlOCK97gst · Jul 27, 2010

Ripper_XX said:
Aren't they actually lighter than the T/E/L trio?

No, they weigh a bit more (~100lbs more than the AWD DSMs).

french_hustler · Jul 27, 2010

Just straight line?

TSimage · Jul 27, 2010

Not quite sure.. as a bonus the cars front end is all energy bushing'd out. Since this car will remain specifically on bolt on setups, preferably oem housed, it would be a blast... I'm on my phone but ill post more up when I get home from work in a couple hrs. My foreman might be lookin' for me >;P

T-double · Jul 27, 2010

Oh yeah I am proud of you. Can't wait to see what you end up doing to the VR4. Soon I will be posting pics of my Vr4 galant. Suppose to be getting a new turbo s375. Keep the updates coming

TSimage · Jul 27, 2010

BTW, this is the bucket-o-parts that was mentioned in the original post that I accidentally double posted a shot of the engine bay.

T-double · Jul 28, 2010

They would not understand it is a VR4 thing.

TSimage · Jul 28, 2010

lol.

Its a weird feeling just to sit in this thing knowing its a 4 door makes it so weird. Anyone who is use to all of the other options we had which are ALL 2 door (aside from a van) its kind of weird. A good weird, but weird.

Its like an adult version or something...

TSimage · Jul 31, 2010

And the show MUST go on...

So as you las saw the Galant, it was a mess. Parts in bins, engine in disarray and me, sad.

But happy at the same time that I finally got me a GVR4!

To bring you closer up to date, the goals for this [project is to beat the current 14b record of 12 seconds flat (wont be too hard) and then to beat the 16g variant records there after. So if you're down to see some history happen, stay tuned.

Parts started pouring in. Hence the name "Dr. "JACKAL" (A play off of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde) This car, like the Talon, will also be running Jackal software.

I'll be running E85 as well so I snagged some FIC 850s for super cheap from a local, and should be enough for even the 16g:

Single rewired 255 Walbro, should also do the job:

Next I needed some parts to replace those overly restrictive 6cm 14b parts with some upgraded Evo3 7cm parts and Megan housing:

1G manifold vs Ported E3 (larger runners not shown)-

14b 6cm housing vs E3 7cm housing-

(Notice those 2 broken bolts in the E3 I'll have to remove before I can move on..)

2G O2 housing vs Megan-

The first issue I'll have to address however is the front motor mount which is the incorrect 364 mount out of the FWD DSMs I believe. What I need is the uber rare 344 GVR4 only mount to line everything up just right. I managed to finally found one and bellow you'll notice the GVR4 mount VS the Universal DSM mounts:

Keep tuned guys, I'll keep it all movin fast. I'm motivated to have this thing up and running as my DD as well. Every time I walk past my DSM in the garage I feel like this

Then I open the garage door and see my Galant in the drive way and I immediately goto this:

Jk's97DSM · Aug 6, 2010

What do you do for a living? If I might ask.

TSimage · Aug 6, 2010

Union SheetMetal/Architectual Engineering.

Why do ya ask?

TSimage · Aug 7, 2010

Ok, so where were we, ahh yes, bolt on party...

But before I do that I need to do everything I can to squeeze out every ounce of power this little 14b can make..

I planned to install the E3 parts straight up because my compressor was at the families house since they were using it for something and I was being impatient.

I still had my Dremel and some good bits so I figured I'd goto town on at least smoothing everything up. A little bit was ported as well but here are the basics.

The stock E3 housing has a rough cast exit for the exducer:

That was no bueno, so my solution was to go to town with the Dremel till it was nice and smooth:

Cleaned up the WG flapper area as well.. Not too shabby if I do say so myself and didn't take much effort so I can't complain... If I woulda had my compressor here however I would have gone to town on this thing, but I'll reserve that for later.

With that all done it was time to throw it all back in:

Lookin' GOOD! At this point I was ready to get this thing started but I still have a few items to address before I do that. One is getting my AIT sensor bung welded up into my UICP (and not just any UICP either!). At this point I am considering JBing it and probably will this weekend. It'll look a lot better and hold just fine. Definitely not too crucial to worry.

And "not just any UICP" huh? What could be so special about that. Well, I suppose this is where the next twist to the build comes from.

(old pic before any of the other current work was done)

So the cats out of the bag on that one. I'll be running the same Lucas Hotpipe he ran in his mid 10s 16g build. Now that more is known about it, more can be done to ensure tuning is monitored a little different. Running Meth injection and E85/E98 in conjunction certainly will require patience.

But I have a secret for that too. :moon::bowrofl:

Guess you'll just have to find out a little later. :rockon:

swade · Aug 7, 2010

I knew about the UICP

I feel special! Hope this all comes together!!!!!!!

swade

TSimage · Aug 7, 2010

That's because you're just a special kinda guy.

Ripper_XX said:
So just how large were those FIC injectors again? And how much meth do you PLAN on having to spray?

Also why did you chose this over say, a water to air IC setup. (which would still be short as hell, infact you might could have it about the same way, except, intercooled)

It says right on 'em, they're 850s, they'll be good pretty much upto the 16gs but if need me I can always go bigger. (I'll be OK though, even on E85)

As far as not going with an A/W intercooler setup, this one is basically more simple, and a lot less weight. Running the meth injection as well will prove to add more gains than the benefits achieved with a A/WI as well. The jets are the higher end Auquamist (4 of em) and I forgot the exact size but they are on the larger scale (Use to be some of the biggest ones they had back in the day, dunno about now) It'll be fun just to try something relatively new and get some results after that. If it doesn't pan out, I still have other options.

Ripper_XX · Aug 7, 2010

So just how large were those FIC injectors again? And how much meth do you PLAN on having to spray?

Also why did you chose this over say, a water to air IC setup. (which would still be short as hell, infact you might could have it about the same way, except, intercooled)

123abc · Aug 8, 2010

I think the best part is what people will think when you're pulling hard on them with a simple 14b...

Shifting at 5500 yes? lol

TSimage · Aug 10, 2010

Actually I'll be shifting after 6500 for sure, how much after that, I'm not sure. I think on top of the look on their face that they are being beat by some 4 door sleeper, the fact I am running a hotpipe means no front mount either so they wont even know its turbo lol.

Ripper_XX said:
Sorry I didn't notice the numbers on the pic of the injectors (didn't know if it was the cc rating or what)

Also I was just thinking that the A/W IC setup with meth and E85 would be optimal. I also thought you would have gone with a little larger injector, but you seem to know what your doing. I'd love to see the results of this setup, please keep us posted on it's progress and performance.

Those 850s are more then enough for even a B16G and right in line for the E316G. I should be good to go as far as fuel goes. I dunno about the 850s with the E16G on E98 but first things first, I gotta get the 14b dialed in.

The other half of the Dr. Jackal and Mr. Hyde crew is Dr. Jackal himself, Dave W. (DWR/pneumo) who had an off the shelf GT35 making 600whp and damn near running 9, not to mention holding the former 14b record (mid 11s in a DD) until it was BARELY beaten by a totally tin can trailer queen that just so happen was stuck in the 12s until Dave helped him with his tune/Chip. (must respect to Phil, he drove his ass off to get those times as well, much props.

)

Fingers crossed... At the very least I'll be runnin around in a low 12s sleeper but something is telling me that as long as things go as planned 11s, or even the record itself isn't too far out of grasp.

As far as the hotpipe goes, its all a toss up. The addition of the meth injection should be the benefiting factor of this setup as well as weight savings. The only down side will be in the tuning but if that is dealt with then it is probably the best option available. lol Believe me, I went back and forth about the options multiple times, hopefully I made the right decision.

Ripper_XX · Aug 8, 2010

Sorry I didn't notice the numbers on the pic of the injectors (didn't know if it was the cc rating or what)

Also I was just thinking that the A/W IC setup with meth and E85 would be optimal. I also thought you would have gone with a little larger injector, but you seem to know what your doing. I'd love to see the results of this setup, please keep us posted on it's progress and performance.

TSimage · Aug 16, 2010

So the Green Hornet is almost done and now its down to the details...

The ORIGINAL plan was to simply test the car out 100% bone stock but due to varying reasons it just made sense to come out swinging out the gate.

As seen previously the exhaust side was upgraded to ported/polished Evo 3 parts and all that was left was to spiff up the comp. housing.

After running a ridiculous 11.2@127 on his FIRST TIME out with e85 and a 16g my friend Dave W. stopped by and dropped off this beauty from his original record breaking 11.5 14b build: (stock on the left)

Stock (43.69mm):

Wolmer ported (50.92mm):

At this point it's pretty obvious how nice the ported intake is but I was more concerned with the outlet because of how large the opening is on my hotpipe: (stock on the left)

Stock (34.8mm):

Wolmer ported (41.06mm)

Lucas/English Racing hotpipe (40.31mm):

Mission accomplished.

Now, if you thought getting that damn housing retaining clip OFF was a task.. Putting it back on was the real headache. Even with the right tools it is pretty tight if you are trying to change the housing with the turbo on the car as I did.

All good:

:tree:

And just for sh?*tz 'n' gigglez I decided to give an idea of how varying the contrast is between what I am trying to accomplish with 2 totally separate builds, at the same time:

TSimage · Aug 21, 2010

My updates are still behind the present time so I am trying to catch up so here goes..

The car is coming along nicely. Main hold backs come from a lack of fasteners for specific parts but I am managing. I use to have a mega box of nut and bolts but that was left at a friends house and now I'm slowly putting another together again. Makes life SO much easier, especially putting the Talon abck together will only add to the headaches.

So first off I need to do a couple upgrades and clean up before I toss this stuff in.

Stock fan with "modified" housing just will not suffice:

I've had a slim fan I hadn't used in a while and knew it would be perfect for this project:

The T-Case was gross so I let it soak in some Engine brite (Gel is best):

Almost looks new!:

After getting tired of hitting the local Pick 'n' pulls and coming up short (rare cars ftl!) I bit the bullet and ordered some nuts n bolts just to get this all together and call it a day:

Radiator support brackets:

T-Case bolts:

When I bought the car I was told that they had issues with the shifter cables not working correctly. I was told the cables they had were the wrong ones. Fortunately I had a set from my old 5spd that were different. Upon inspection by myself and Dave it was found that the tranny was missing one of the brackets that hold the cables, so I figured, hell, I'll just have Nate throw it in the box as well as a bunch of other misc. nuts n bolts for pulleys etc.:

The only decent picture since my flash on was being teh gheyz:

I'll have some more updates soon. The car will actually be running this weekend so I suppose the updates need to catch up tot he present so I can post up some driving videos.

Plans are to have it half way tuned for the races next weekend. Since I work all week, this means the only day to tune will be half of the 27 (race the 28th or 29th) Fingers crossed.

OkieDSM'R · Aug 21, 2010

Woo Hoo running!!

dsmvr4 · Aug 21, 2010

Hey man good luck on your 14B record glad to see another galant over here. I picked mine up about 3 months ago and love #602 of 2K. They are such fun sleeper cars. But keeps us updated on your 14B record sir. Sounds like it coming along great.

TSimage · Oct 21, 2010

Holy crap, we need some updates! lol Ill try and get things caught back up over the next couple days..

Anywho, after I cleaned up all the parts it was time to install em.

I landed a good price on a decent 3" DP:

My previous Buschur DP was pretty much 3" from the flange down, this one starts at just over 2.5 (close to 2.75) upto the flex section then is 3" the rest of the way...

In all reality I SHOULDN'T lose much of anything considering the tubular o2 housing is a similar size, but with it being a recirculating piece it is always a plus to open that bad boy up ASAP. The price itself got me but if ever a cheap full 3" comes around I just might bite. The plan is to run a 3" cutout right after the DP taking the place of the cat/test pipe and then running my other 2.5" stock appearing exhaust out the back for a complete 100% sleeper look. They'll never see it coming. Even if they pop the hood, it still wont make any sense..

Got everything all bolted up and reinstalled:

Now I know it isn't as purdy as my previous DSMs or as outrageous as the Raven build but that was the whole idea... I plan to touch up a few things and powder coat and/or paint and clean up a few parts but other than that this is what you will get for now. Is till need to hook up my meth setup but I want the car running perfect on pure E85 first. I might relocate the battery as well.. I hate the way that thing just dominates the engine bay. Only issue is the meth kit is on the firewall where I could relocate it in the bay and I dont want the hassle of running i to the trunk and the safety track issues with the kill switch... We shall see..

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It all started as a heap. a Bunch of unknowns, missing bolts, wrong pieces, non existent crucial parts, cables and a cluster fk of wires that needed to be replaced, not to mention wrong mounts and a few other typical 4g quirks thrown in..

Before:

Bucket-o-parts:

After:

"What's it got in there bro?"... "Its stock. :grinfu:" :rofl:

HOT97ECLIPSEGSX · Oct 21, 2010

Directly from the turbo to the TB?

hawaiifiveoh · Oct 21, 2010

I'm guessing a bunch of meth injection

TSimage · Oct 22, 2010

Yep, its called a "hotpipe" its not uncommon and the typical side mount intercooler is nothin more than a long routed hotpipe when it all boils down lol.. It enables me to have the most instant boost and zero PSI drop.. The car is literally always in boost if you are accelerating. (Always is a term I should use loosely but I'm not exasperating that the damn thing is spooling even at minimal throttle lol. I'm sure it will be hell on my MPG, but so is E85 anyways.)

And the comment about a bunch of meth is putting it lightly. It's running 4 of the biggest nozzles aquamist use to carry. The car currently is being ran without the meth however and I see no ill effects even with this recent heat spurt temps stay comfortable.

Spoolin69 · Oct 22, 2010

Nom Nom Build!!

TSimage · Oct 24, 2010

Here's the video from my first start-up:

Now Down pipe on in that video either and no timing lol.

Dr. JACKAL and Mr. Hyde: Galant record seeker. (1302/2000)

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