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issac712 · Oct 16, 2012

Hey guys, so to start off, i did read help to diagnose a no start on tuners, and Google searched and now i am at a lost.
Timing is right, all intake manifold vaccumm bungs have either been used or blocked off.( deleted emmsions). I also have fuel and spark, good gas, spark plugs are in decent shape but not gapped 2 spec. Only 2 things not done right is my exhaust mani has no gasket to the head, and no bolts holding my valve cover down. Both should be here 2marrow but couldn't wait that long.
Does any1 have any ideas. Idk if the cas is set right, but i can double check.

Rockemum · Oct 16, 2012

I would wait to start it, but common things are resistor box and isc plugs can be switched, maf unplugged, cas 180 out, spark plug wires wrong, and for a new motor or one that's been sitting, it might take a minute to fire up. Tons of things could be wrong, its tough to say. There's a no start flow chart on this forum somewhere... its VERY easy to diagnose this way.

J_DiZ · Oct 16, 2012

Yea, I would not start it without the valve cover bolts unless you want oil everywhere. Other than that like stated above, there is a thread on here about no start.

cupa-joe · Oct 26, 2012

Here's that thread they are talking about. http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169116

Also one thing I didn't see mentioned was engine grounds. Make sure there all hooked up.

issac712 · Oct 26, 2012

cupa-joe said:
Here's that thread they are talking about. http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169116

Also one thing I didn't see mentioned was engine grounds. Make sure there all hooked up.

i think tuners had a no-start thread which i've been using. Forgot to update, sorry guys lol. We figured out I had fuel, but no spark (think my coil pack is bad) Pulled the plugs when it was a little dark outside and didn't see any kinda arcs or anything, so I'm ordering one today. I'll keep u guys posted if the new one works.

forgot to add, that the valve cover and exhaust manifold are both installed.

issac712 · Nov 2, 2012

So think i found my problem. Those 2 red and black wires that go to my coilpack are torn, idk how but they are. Never really tried soldering wires before so i guess ill be trying that this weekand

DSM Rook · Nov 2, 2012

Who did that, I will get them! Seriously, WTF is going on with that harness. Why are those stupid crimp lock ghetto connectors on some of the wires?

You may have a hard time soldering those wires. They are going to be dirty (the copper) And the solder will have a hard time sticking, even with flux. If you have any quality part stores or Radio Shack, I would see if they have butt connectors with the heat shrink weather tight stuff on them. Then pick up a decent pair of crimpers and attach them that way. Clean up that other crap and make sure the wires get covered.

TSIAWD97 · Nov 3, 2012

I recommend the heat shrink connectors as well. Very easy to use as long as you have strippers a crimp tool and a lighter. It is the only thing I have seen last for awhile on over the road trucks and trailers.

issac712 · Nov 5, 2012

So I've bought new clamps, and put the yellows/green wires with the black, and the red wires both into that black/white wire. Still no spark.

15psi88 · Nov 6, 2012

You need to find someone local to physically help you.

issac712 · Nov 6, 2012

15psi88 said:
You need to find someone local to physically help you.

I know, but don't have a lot of car smart friends. Really, this forum is my only help.
But what am i doing wrong? I can post more pics when I'm off from work

issac712 · Nov 7, 2012

Ok, here's what i got. The yellow/black , yellow/green , black/white wires are from my coilpack connecter. The 2 red and red/black wires are from the nology ampfliers, checked Google and the wires colors dont match. http://www.nology.com/images/powercoreinsteclipse.gif.

But this is pretty much what it looks like with all the duck rape removed.

DSM Rook · Nov 7, 2012

Have you tried not connecting your amps, having the wiring stock to see if the car fires? Not sure if I've seen you say that you've tried to get the car running with the stock components?

issac712 · Nov 7, 2012

DSM Rook said:
Have you tried not connecting your amps, having the wiring stock to see if the car fires? Not sure if I've seen you say that you've tried to get the car running with the stock components?

To be honest, when i bought the car, these were already installed. I don't even know what the stock components are or what they look. I'm not really exp. In electrical stuff, so I'm kinda at a lost. But as far as everything else in that harness works. Just these coil wires that need fixing. Idk if u can see, but there's a lot of small spilts in those wires from me trying to semi guess which wire goes were with those blue crimps.

Rockemum · Nov 7, 2012

The coil plug should come from the injector area, shouldn't it? I would try and verify the transistor wiring is unmolested, and run to a junkyard and get that plug, cut as far back on the harness that you can. Note it's location and install that instead.

I may have misread the current issue, forgive me I'm sleepy.

DSM Rook · Nov 8, 2012

I mean, you may want to look for a harness. What you could do is pull some more of that harness out and check further. I would look to remove those amplifiers. Trace the wires back as far as you can by color. Using those scotchlok connectors could have also damaged wiring.

issac712 · Nov 9, 2012

So i pulled off most of the blue crap and tape, and all the little nicks go back pretty far, but stops where i have the corner of the book. Also figured out that the Yellow/Black wire connects to the mitsu power unit.
Couldn't really find my stock ignition wires so I'm thinking he either tucked them really good, or completely removed them.
I'm thinking of just stripping some of the plastic off those wires, buying some longer wire and just redo all that mess. I'm thinking of either keeping those amplifiers or buying a new brand.
also checked the yard, and Not many junkyards around here have dsms alone ones with 4g63s in them.

DSM Rook · Nov 10, 2012

What you may want to do first, I remove all your connectors and lay down a towel and lay your harness on that. Then strip back any of the blue loom and tape that doesn't look to be factory. You can use some new tape just hold the wires where they'd need to be (where they branch off to go to components) But this will allow you to get a clear view of wires the previous owner may have messed with. The breaks in the wire could cause resistance issues which could be a problem. Since you know there is damage and possibly open wires, I'd do that. Give your self some work room. If you're going to replace sections, do them 1 by 1. Then try it. If you know your wiring is good. Maybe the power unit is fried. Maybe a driver in the ECU is fried.

issac712 · Dec 14, 2012

Ok updating beacuse I'm finding out this problem is taking wayyy to freakin long

A month of this is starting to grind my gears, but a simple update shouldnt hurt.

Got a new harness and tried twisting, sodering and using heat shrink to get a good connection. Still no spark. Even tried doing it w/o the amp wires and still nothing. But to add those spark plugs/wires we're on the car years ago, mind you its been a year since it's been started. Thinking of getting new spark plugs wires. Also that black module posted above, was unplugged when I had it running. I don't know, getting a multimeter tomorrow to check for voltage in the harness.

Sean485 · Dec 14, 2012

You need to ditch those amplifiers, stock coils have gone 10's. I will see if I can find a wiring diagram to help.

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