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NoDoubtArion

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Hey guys, not exactly new really lol but havent posted here much or in a while. I previously owned a red 1994 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS and now own a black 1998 Eclipse RS manual, 2.0 DOHC. Found it in north Jersey with only about 85,000 miles. Pretty clean car cosmetically with a only a few scrapes on body and Euro-style custom lights.

Im currently in the process of making the car look new again although it looks good already with mirrored, metallic tinted windows...iv purchased a brand new front bumper, door handles and tail lights (same style), and will be doing a full body paint job after installing all these.

Been almost a month and car running excellent. I did not know how to drive stick shift before buying this but made myself learn within half an hour and ill never touch automatics again lol. As a general question, I understand DOHC 2.0 motors are about 140 HP and for the GS/RS trims, speed is pretty slow but iv read this mostly pointed towards automatic versions of these cars. How fast exactly would you guys say the manuals deal in this trim? In terms of mainly acceleration. Im guessing the HP is the same. Either way, in a few months I plan to save for a GSX turbo installation if possible. Any advice or ideas for my new baby please let me know!


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How fast are they? Look up times for a dodge neon rt, then make it a bit slower than that as the eclipse is a fair bit heavier since that is the same driveline you have.

As far as 'turbo awd installation' while it is technically possibly by re-welding the entire front of the car it is an extremely complicated process and I have only ever seen it done once. If you want turbo/awd I recommend you enjoy the car you have and continue to save money/look for one that is awd already.

Personally I am not a fan of the taillights or poor fitting, bright seat covers (I'd rather get factory leather seats or new seat skins) but the car looks like it will clean up nice and as long as you enjoy the car that's what matters.
 
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ok cool thanks. Yea I guess regular GT turbo would be the way to go for installation. I like those rims on that convertible btw!

And yea the seat covers fit bad right now cuz they need to be tied underneath so im going to be unscrewing the seats to do this soon lol.

Iv beaten a few civics, accords and nissans on acceleration from red lights. Of course I dont do straight racing on public roads though lol but it was funny beating my co-workers non turbo mini-cooper the other day. Im just glad iv learned stick shift so quick and enjoy driving it.

I bought the car repair manual for 95-2005 Eclipse models so im reading it everyday to keep learning about the vehicle to save on maintenance
 
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oh i see. I guess I got confused because GS share the same 420a motor but RS has a different engine set up/driveline? So RS and GS not only differ in just luxury options and a few cosmetic body styling but also in engine upgrades damn lol. Fortunately my uncles good friend lives down the street from me and specializes in turbo manual DSM's maybe he can recommend some minor aftermarket stuff or give me a good deal on something.

My muffler is pretty loud so im not even sure of any possible additions myself from the previous owner ill take pics of my engine and stuff soon. Otherwise I looked up Neon R/T which basically seems to be the fastest/sportiest trim of the neon line with about 150 HP? A few owners say they give alot of V6 cars competition and can smoke out most non-turbo cars although not sure if they were talking about the 98 R/T or later 2000+ year one.
 
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For your 2G you only have 3 engine options, the GS and RS are non turbo neon motors, the GST and GSX of course are turbo mitsu's, and the spyders are both mitsu engines as well, the GST and GSX the 4G63 turbo, and the GS (i think) is a non turbo 4G64.

So if you have a GS/RS in the 3dr hatch is a neon motor/driveline.
 
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I thought turbo kits were purchased mainly for upgrading a non-turbo to turbo. lol. So all these kits and websites like these are not legit? http://www.turbo-kits.com/eclipse_turbo_kits.html

Of course you can upgrade an already turboed motor, but people buy turbo kits all the time for their car to make it turbo. Maybe im wrong though I thought this was a basic thing. I know its much pricier and needs many more parts to do the conversion from neon driveline but it must be possible and commonly done since upgrading GS to turbo is talked about all the time.

Also, Spyder does come in GS too. Iv seen 2 for sale over here, unless the marker in the back has the T scraped off. And based on what you wrote above, GS models come in 420a as WELL as a 4g64?


EDIT: so i guess it was the wrong terminology lol. If you turbo 420a it doesnt mean upgrading to GST. I guess people who discussed turboing their GS/RS Eclipses meant just turboing 420a to go a little faster.
 
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NoDoubtArion said:
EDIT: so i guess it was the wrong terminology lol. If you turbo 420a it doesnt mean upgrading to GST. I guess people who discussed turboing their GS/RS Eclipses meant just turboing 420a to go a little faster.
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Sounds like you got it figured out, you can turbo a 420a with a turbo kit, but To change the whole engine over to the turbo 4g63 that came in the GST would be a lot more work.
 
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Exactly. You CAN turbo them using aftermarket parts but parts from a factory turbo eclipse do not work on a non turbo 2g. As far as the spyder both turbo and non turbo spyders had mitsubishi engines, they did not get the 420a engine the non turbo coupes got. As such the non turbo spyders CAN use most of the parts from a turbo eclipse.

Also slapping a turbo on a nonturbo engine is not for the faint of heart, with high compression pistons and lackluster tuning many of the engines do not last more than a few months and typically run poorly. A proper turbo conversion requires ecu/tuning, internal engine changes, and a fair bit of time and money. In general we recommend that people stay with the NT rather than trying to waste money trying to make the nt as fast as a turbo car is factory when you consider the price of selling the NT + the cost of parts it would cost for a proper turbo conversion is almost always less than that of a factory turbo car.
 
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AK Maniak said:
You'd honestly be better off just saving up for a turbo DSM. The RS/GS is an awesome and very reliable daily driver so just keep it clean and appreciate it for what it is.

Those tail lights are hideous though.
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Yea i'll probably do that since turboing this engine will put wear on it anyway and cost more in the long run.

lol, I know many aren't fans of these tail lights, I wasn't either but somehow I like how they look with the red panel left (with logo) in the center as opposed to the actual euro-style custom tail lights where the entire thing is that design.


Also, the RS/GS is extremely slow compared to other sports cars and turbo cars, however, how do they measure up to other daily, average, non-sport cars like ford escorts, civics, ect.? especially considering the car is labeled as a sports car despite its slow speed and trim. How do the manual RS/GS's measure up? Thanks
 
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NoDoubtArion said:
Also, the RS/GS is extremely slow compared to other sports cars and turbo cars, however, how do they measure up to other daily, average, non-sport cars like ford escorts, civics, ect.? especially considering the car is labeled as a sports car despite its slow speed and trim. How do the manual RS/GS's measure up? Thanks
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The car brand new from the factory ran 16s, I believe. Your car is probably a littler slower due to its age. This is pretty on par with older Civics, Foci and other econocars.

In other words, it's pretty darn slow.
 
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NoDoubtArion said:
lol, I know many aren't fans of these tail lights, I wasn't either but somehow I like how they look with the red panel left (with logo) in the center as opposed to the actual euro-style custom tail lights where the entire thing is that design.


Also, the RS/GS is extremely slow compared to other sports cars and turbo cars, however, how do they measure up to other daily, average, non-sport cars like ford escorts, civics, ect.? especially considering the car is labeled as a sports car despite its slow speed and trim. How do the manual RS/GS's measure up? Thanks
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Allot of people on this forum don't like flashy stuff on their cars, myself being one of them but it's your car so do whatever makes you enjoy the car, we were just giving honest opinions.

As far as speed, if you use the cars of the same era as a measuring stick its about as fast as the other 4cly econobox cars as it is, in essence, an overweight neon RT with a body kit from the factory. If you compare it to modern 4cly econocars, you're going to be disappointed. Many nonturbo 4cly cars of today have 30-40hp over the 420a engine due to things like variable valve timing, direct injection, more advanced tuning, vtech, etc.
 
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Sean485 said:
Allot of people on this forum don't like flashy stuff on their cars, myself being one of them but it's your car so do whatever makes you enjoy the car, we were just giving honest opinions.

As far as speed, if you use the cars of the same era as a measuring stick its about as fast as the other 4cly econobox cars as it is, in essence, an overweight neon RT with a body kit from the factory. If you compare it to modern 4cly econocars, you're going to be disappointed. Many nonturbo 4cly cars of today have 30-40hp over the 420a engine due to things like variable valve timing, direct injection, more advanced tuning, vtech, etc.
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Oh, ok I see. Thanks for the input. I'll definitely take a pic of my engine and muffler too, maybe there's things added/customized I don't see or know about yet, or for even any possible advice or recommended additions I should or could get.
 
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