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MidWestSapper

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Howdy everybody,

I purchased not only my first DSM but my first FI vehicle a couple months back. The luscious lady I'm referring to is a '97 Talon AWD, and I've quickly become a fan of the potential in the 4g63 platform. Coming from a long list of GM vehicles in the past, several of which being built LSX cars, impressing me isn't the easiest of tasks.

I bought the car with a 6 bolt swap and the original 7 bolt head. Also came with an evo III 16g. Having spent the majority of the winter compiling parts and doing miscellaneous things to the Talon, I'm finally nearing the point of street-worthy-ness. I'm planning to run the car on e85, being in Indiana and having ease of access to the fuel makes it a no brainer in my book. Tuning will be done via ECMlink v3.

My questions are as follows :

With the e316g and e85 I'm shooting for an end goal of 400AWHP, how realistic is this expectation?

I will be running stock head studs for quite a while atleast. I'm under the impression that the 2g head studs are significantly stronger than that of the 1G, but will they be strong enough to reliably attain my desired horsepower level?

Car has an ACT clutch that was installed when I bought her and seemed to be in fine mechanical shape from the limited driving I did before the tear down. Should I address any other drivetrain items before giving daily duties to this old girl?

I'm sure that, based on what I've already said about the build, you guys get the main idea of what my concerns are. Any and all insight will be GREATLY APPRECIATED. One of the biggest factors that drew me to the purchase of this car is the helpful group of fellow enthusiasts that make up the majority of the DSM crowd.

Thanks in advance, fella's. I'm on my way up to Tunergalleria 2k14 at the moment, but would be more than willing to share some photos of the build process once I get back to the house.....If you all would like, that is.

Again, thanks in advance! I look forward to all of your replies.
 
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Welcome!

The 2g 7 bolts actually use stretch head bolts and are actually smaller/weaker 11mm vs 12mm in the 6 bolts...

I love the Evo III but I don't see 400AWHP without really good tuning. It's been done, but it's not the normal.
What's a realistic expectation then? On e85, of course. On a relatively mild tune, ZERO knock, and conservative timing?

And are these head studs going to be an issue?
 
It's got a 6bolt block, thus it will be using the m12 6bolt fasteners. The stock bolts should be fine but a set of ARP's is cheap insurance. With e85 and a MHI e316g running upper 20's for boost you could be around 350, 400 can happen but isn't the most common thing. I would also replace the 2 seals on the transfer case and fill it with good fluid, also do a spill n fill on the rear diff. I think you'll have plenty of fun with the car and I'm sure you'll fit in pretty well here.
 
Welcome. As was said, the older 6 bolt has the larger diameter head to block fasteners, and if your block has studs then it already has been upgraded because the stock engine has bolts rather than studs from the factory. 400hp at the crankshaft can be done on the Evo3 16g, but to get 400hp on awd to the wheels daily you will be pushing the limits of the Evo3 and would have to run over 20 lbs on it. You might want to look at a small frame Garrett if you want 400hp at the tires, AND a good intercooler and an upgraded fuel pump and much larger injectors.
 
I've pushed stock 6-bolt head bolts to 500whp. Worked great. Low timing is key. I ran E85 when it was 1st available in my area back in '06. I used the Ford Style injectors for CNG Crown Vics. Used to be cheap at NAPA, but I think the cats out of the bag now and the price shot up.

Also I ran Low 11s in a DSM weighing 3450lbs with an E316G. That's gotta be close to 400whp. Took close to 30lbs of boost if memory serves.
 
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