What level of frank would you have to go with to match this turbo? I'm trying to figure out why more guys don't go this route. Is there a mitsu turbo that even competes? Thanks is advance.
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By "components" what are you reffering to? The sizes of the different comp. wheels and stuff, or are you talking about who makes the "components"??
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I am referring to the parts used to build the turbo. The compressor housing, compressor wheel, the turbine wheel, the turbine housing, center cartridge, etc. You can use many different combinations of parts to build a "T3/T4 turbo". You really need to find out what you are getting and what it does before you buy it. There are plenty of people who can build a hybrid turbo to your exact specifications.SPEEDRACER-21 said:
So all of this talk about how great "a T3/T4 turbo" is doesnt make sense.
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All the parts are garrett! And those are the same parts that turbonetics used on their turbos. So the parts are very good. Now depending on what exact setup a person goes with in relation to comp wheels and stuff. Will be the basis on how well the turbo is.
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Dude, I know they are all Garrett parts. But that still doesnt say what parts they are. What size Garrett compressor wheel are we talking about? There is more than one, yano. There is more than one size Garrett compressor housing also.SPEEDRACER-21 said:
Here is a link to all of the Garrett T3 compressor flow maps. They are all different, eh? Each wheel has a different pressure island where it is most efficient, etc.
http://www.turbofast.com.au/FlowT3.html
You have no idea what you are buying.
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As I stated before .50 compressor wheel. Since it's a t3/t4 the exhaust housing is a...t/3 duh! with a .63 stage 3 turbine wheel. And if the exhaust housing is a t3 then the compressor housing must be a ...t/4. hence t3/t4.
Here's a link for more info http://www.turboneticsinc.com/catalog/t3t4.html
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Here's a link for more info http://www.turboneticsinc.com/catalog/t3t4.html
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So I take it, there is no standard 16g? or big 16g? or super 16g. don't trip. I know whatever T3/T4 turbo that came in the drag kits had him blowing shit away from 40 to 140mph. I posted the question cuz I don't know much about turbo specs (not buying anything yet). You really haven't told me shit either. If I take a 20g turbo w/ whatever parts, what specs would the T3/T4bb need to be to blow it away on the top end, yet spool quicker on the bottom end??? You know the specs you tell me, that's why I'm asking.
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Stage 3 turbine wheel? See, that is my point. You are throwing out numbers and phrases that dont mean anything without details to back it up.SPEEDRACER-21 said:
This is a quote from the page you told me to look at:
"TURBONETICS presents a complete line-up T3/T4 HYBRID turbochargers"
So there you go. Saying "a T3/T4 turbo" doesnt mean jack shit. They offer a whole line of them, all of which are different and used for different set ups.
And besides, we arent even talking about your turbo in the first place. The guy who started this thread, hated, asked "What level of frank would you have to go with to match this turbo? I'm trying to figure out why more guys don't go this route. Is there a mitsu turbo that even competes?". And the bottom line is, you cant answer that question because we dont know what components the supposed T3/T4 he is referring to is built out of.
That has been my entire point from the beginning, yet you guys keep perpetuating this nonesense.
Speedracer seems to be the only person who has taken part in this thread that has any idea what he is talking about.
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No shit! If I knew I wouldn't ask. I don't drive a DSM (looking for a second car), so I'm trying to learn about the cars. MR. GSX share.
This is what I'm looking for:
low 12 sec et (don't want to add roll cage)
excellent spool up time and drive ability
excellent top end (for high way runs agains hondas)
what would you recommend for a GST DSM?
This is what I'm looking for:
low 12 sec et (don't want to add roll cage)
excellent spool up time and drive ability
excellent top end (for high way runs agains hondas)
what would you recommend for a GST DSM?
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For a FWD, go with a Frank 2. This is a tried and true turbo, and one of the most efficient franks available. It has slow but reasonable spool up, which is good for FWD due to traction problems.hated said:
You mention wanting excellent spool up time. Im going to tell you that you dont want that.
Otherwise you will be getting crazy wheel spin and the car just wont be fun to drive. Again, that is my opinion - some people like crazy wheel spin.One thing that I find helpful - go to http://times.dsm.org Look for people on the FWD no nitrous list (a little more than half way down the page) that hage the same gen you are looking for and running the same times.
So, if you are looking at a 1G, find someone with a 90-94 running mid 12s. Click on the link to their website, and see what mods they have. If you check out a few different peoples cars that are all running the times you want, it will give you an idea of all the different mods you are going to need.
One thing to point out - there are only _40_ people on that list running 12's in a FWD!
Hope that helps,
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ok i have a new question. i notice that RRE sells a manifold that allows a garret turbo to bolt rite up. now with that said what size t3/t4 turbo will be compairable to the mutt m1 level 3.?
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Why not just buy a Mutt mf1 level 3? It is basically a Garret turbo with a Mitsu exhaust housing. The Garret exhaust housing is not worth the expense of having to buy a special exhaust manifold.boostedfoursix said:
Of course, I think you should buy a Forced Performance Green model turbo instead of the Mutt. Service, support and reputation is much better at FP. Plus, the prices just went up over at DSM-Performance apparenlty.
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can i get a internal gate and a ball bearing center with the green.?
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I don't see why not.boostedfoursix said:
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I did not know that you could get a BB option in a mitsu. Wait the killer 16G were bb right??
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The Green is not a Mitsu turbo, neither is the 16G Killer. But yes, you can get a modified Mitsu turbo with a ball bearing cartridge. Turbonetics had a ball bearing 16G on display at the 2000 SEMA show.NicktheQuick said:
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The 16g killer is an IHI turbo. and almost all IHI come ball bearing
and yes you can get a green with an internal gate and ball-bearing.
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and yes you can get a green with an internal gate and ball-bearing.
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