4 cylinder Beretta killed 3g Eclipse

Bluntdogg · Mar 5, 2002

All I'm saying is that if the same exact car was made by a different company, you wouldn't be trashing them. I don't understand why you get upset at cocky owners, every car has their share. Just show them what a DSM can do and prove your point with your car, not your mouth.

Besides, the Evo will be here soon, so there's your new toy.

MCMike37 · Mar 5, 2002

Hor said:
Now, when a 3Ger tries to say that their car has better performance than a DSM that's where I say let the bashing begin.

Amen to all of what you said, exactly.

OH, and I can smoke you all with only half my cylinders firing.

Nitrox · Mar 5, 2002

As initiator of this argument I feel that it's my duty to adress this:

Originally posted by Hor:
In other words, it sucks for our community that the 4G63 didn't continue on in an improved way in the 3G Eclipse. However, this doesn't give us any right to bash the 3G Eclipse itself or the owners of said car (although some of them deserve a little bashing anyways ).

I liked the car when it came out. I like it still for the same reasons that MCMike37 likes the one in his driveway: looks, comfort and feel of a more expensive and luxurious vehicle.

The car itself is not a problem, it's the owners who give it a bad name, owners who claim that it's a competitive sports/performance car, when in all that counts, it's not.

The reason I made an offensive post, it to see which of those 3gE owners would get pissed off and start to argue, giving me an opportunity to prove my point. I'm glad it hasn't escalated into a full scale flame war, with people from www.neweclipse.org jumping in just to drop an occasional "eat shit and die" comments.

There are a million reasons people pick out different cars. For us to tell people they are stupid for buying a 3G if they wanted a performance car is an idiotic statement. If we are so wise about what is the best performance vehicle to buy, would we all not be riding around on crotch rockets

Good point, although we dont tell 3gE owners that they bought a sports car, they tell it to us. Some of them anyway.

And yes performance first, we're nowhere near the elite. Once again, thanks everyone for keeping it civil and moderators for keeping it open.

djmamayek · Mar 6, 2002

I am not saying they are "bad" cars, I am saying that they are not entitled to the lineage they are trying to "share" with my car......... If it were called the "toyota sunblocker" I wouldn't have a prob with the car, you are very right, it just sucks that they had to downscale a car that had SERIOUS potential, especially now with things heating up in the sport compact scene.. Had they stuck with it, dsm GSX and TSI AWD's would be giving WRX's a hard time dominating the field at this point... With a variable cam timing system on our motors, a reposition of the intercooler (making it larger at the same time) a reversion to the 14b as the stock turbo, and some (far less radical) styling refinements they could be pushing 250 hp from the factory, and wouldn't cost too much more than they did to begin with. THAT IS MY ARGUMENT. Our cars would be HOT. I know that there is no way mitsu-chrystler could have forseen the huge jump in this category of cars, as it did pretty much come out of no-where, but if they had stuck with the 4g63 the car would be an athlete rather than a mundane daily driver!

Nitrox · Mar 6, 2002

djmamayek, you just described an Evo. Too bad Mitsu is too dumb to bring it to the US. Apparently they make enough money by sellign Galants...

RNN14GTI-R · Mar 6, 2002

Keep in mind the only reason why the Evo7 is selling so well in Japan is its performance and price. For $24K out the door I doubt any US car maker could come close to its potential. Say what you want about its looks but guys are running 1.4Bar of boost with only a boost controller. Not too many cars capable of that at a price of $24K US.
However the JDM market is losing the Silvia and the GTR to low sales and poor profits from them. They barely break even with each one they were selling. It looks like the Evo and the WRX are going to be some of the few turbo sports cars left in Japan after this year.
The way I look at the 3G is that the Eclipse GSX and Galant VR4's were DSM's. The Evo is a product of Mitsu Japan. The 3G is a Mitsubishi of America design. Sadly its sales volume and profit that steers the market. As dumbed down as it is for a middle income SUV loving public its still a Mitsubishi just not one may of the old Eclipse GSX or Evo crowd would ever want to own.

djmamayek · Mar 6, 2002

I thought the evo was coming here in the next few years? But the point is that the eclipse just wouldn't be what it is now. I want a real car!

Nitrox · Mar 6, 2002

Dont panic, Evo is coming. Mitsu suggest that we'll get Evo8, which should compete with either WRX or WRX-Sti. Subaru brought so many (5 thousand units?) and they were sold out withing 6 months. Now just about every car manufacturer want to built an AWD turbo under $25,000.

I just hope they wont bring it too late.

djmamayek · Mar 6, 2002

Hopefully it will be here in time for my college graduation so that my first new car can be a direct relation to my first "real" car....
At that time I will turn my talon into an insane street weapon.

TheFranchiseGT · Apr 10, 2002

my rear Koni are the same part # as a 2G GSX BTW.

why u guys hate the car so much?

rosman4u · Apr 10, 2002

Nitrox said:
djmamayek, you just described an Evo. Too bad Mitsu is too dumb to bring it to the US. Apparently they make enough money by sellign Galants...

Hey Nitrox, they are bringing the EVO to the US next year 2003, it'll have from 250-270HP AWD, oh just to mention dodge will release the new neon SRT-4 next year, 210HP 2.4 dohc turbocharged, so even though we've seen the eclipse era come to its end in 99 (the real eclipse we all have known and grown to love) I believe we have other options and more opportunity in the future, oh yes their is hope for 2k eclipse owners, or should I say galant replicas, you can always trade in or sell your car!!

fusion_ta66 · Apr 10, 2002

I think one reason why people don't necessarily like the 3g eclipse that much is because it is somewhat similar to a Honda. People spend money on 'go-fast' parts, when the car will never really 'go-fast'. They are not a performance car and will never be considered as one.

my 0.02

Joe

djmamayek · Apr 10, 2002

I dispise the IDEA behind the cars, not the cars themselves. Although I don't find them particularly attractive. I would drive one over, say, a 1982 AMC Pacer. I guess they just aren't my cup of tea, and I hate mitsubishi for their pitiful excuse of a new car. The only reason it is more succesful is because they changed their marketing. Had they done that with the 2g cars they would have sold more of them. Plus now they have the advantage of an exploding SC scene. Had the 2g been released now, I think that it would be a TOTALLY different storry. People would gobble up a $24,000 awd turbo eclipse. It is all because of the american publics preferance towards economy and bigger cars, that is only now starting to change. I know it isn't right to blame it on them, they are after all out to make money, but an AWD Turbo 2g released RIGHT NOW would experience great sales.

Leafy · Apr 10, 2002

Personally, I don't think the 3g looks all that bad. The only thing that irks me is that it's not available in the setup we all have come to love. (turbo, AWD.) I prefer the 1g-2g styling, but I don't fret that they ruined a nice looking car. Has anyone thought of doing or done a 1g engine and drivetrain swap?

pist · Apr 10, 2002

maybe a little off topic but i think the going from the 2g's good looks to the 3g is just as bad as subaru killing the awesome 2.5rs design in favor of the FUCKING UGLY wrx... i think they would sell way more wrx's if they looked like this:

TheFranchiseGT · Apr 11, 2002

fusion_ta66 said:
I think one reason why people don't necessarily like the 3g eclipse that much is because it is somewhat similar to a Honda. People spend money on 'go-fast' parts, when the car will never really 'go-fast'. They are not a performance car and will never be considered as one.

my 0.02

Joe

yes and no

whats a GS DSM? same thing.

its not what car you buy, its how you build it.

like a DSM is a race car? a race car is a custom built car, not a factory car.

in the same token its like saying any person buying a car under 75k is just buy a car to put go fast parts on it; get a Ferrari or Porshe 911 T for real performance

TheFranchiseGT · Apr 11, 2002

Leafy said:
Personally, I don't think the 3g looks all that bad. The only thing that irks me is that it's not available in the setup we all have come to love. (turbo, AWD.) I prefer the 1g-2g styling, but I don't fret that they ruined a nice looking car. Has anyone thought of doing or done a 1g engine and drivetrain swap?

that may be an option on the RS/GS models. AWD is iffy though, would require a buttload of custom work

Personally i am toying the idea of a DOHC 3.0L engine from a Jap Diamante. they put out 235 stock

they also appear to bolt right in from pics i have scene.

fusion_ta66 · Apr 11, 2002

TheFranchiseGT said:
yes and no

whats a GS DSM? same thing.

Yes, and they aren't very cool.

like a DSM is a race car? a race car is a custom built car, not a factory car.

Click to expand...

Who the hell said race car?

in the same token its like saying any person buying a car under 75k is just buy a car to put go fast parts on it; get a Ferrari or Porshe 911 T for real performance

Click to expand...

A 1g/2g turbo car has so much more performance potential than a 3g that it's not even funny. You can get a turbo DSM as fast as a porsche 911 T for much much much much less $$ than getting a 3g eclipse there. So, your point is basically irrelevant.

No one can dispute the fact that for performance-oriented people, a 1g/2g turbo DSM pisses all over the 3g. Can you dispute that, Franchise?

For non-performance oriented people, the 3g.....well who gives a damn about non-performance!

Joe

alphaZERO · Apr 11, 2002

The old Impreza design is awesome... I really dont know why they redesigned it to look like a butch dodge neon...

The 3gs are a nice car. They are not made for performance. AT ALL. Yeah, you can make one go semi-fast in a straight line, but once you throw a turn in there, your out of luck. For what it is (a pseudo luxury/economy car) it is nice. It is not fast though. I would not have as much of a problem with it if it wasnt named "Eclipse." Many 3gers somehow think that since they have an "Eclipse," they just have a redesigned version of the 1g and 2gs. I hate that. I have a different car. In every aspect. Mitsu should have named it something different, it is no longer the same car.

And since when have "Konis" made up the ENTIRE suspension?

2KEclipse · Apr 12, 2002

My Eclipse with the suspension mods I have handles pretty good, most of the handling folly comes from the tires and the inherent nose heavy nature of the 3G. A thicker rear sway bar and springs will bring the nose heaviness back under control, and struts will tighten it up even more. Unfortunatly we got stuck with the front suspension of a 1G/Evo, and the rear of a 2G, and both of those cars are lighter(in some cases) and have a lighter engine so the heavy 300+ pound 6G72 pushes the front tires where ever it wants to go. I still have yet to upgrade my front struts, we have to do the same thing 1G guys have to do if they want to upgrade, Koni inserts. I have helped install three sets of them and they are a PAIN IN THE ASS to do. I am still holding out to see if KYB ever releases there front set, lol.

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