Talon tsi (intake) vs. 300zxTT stage V

NewB2DSM · Jun 10, 2002

Well, umm were should i start....

I GOT MY ASS HANDED TO ME ON A FUCKING GOLD PLATER

At least it was by my brother.. he has the 300zxTT. We just went out for a drive today b/c it was nice.

Getting on to the highway, he just kept pulling and pulling and should i go on?
So i was like fuck.. i know my car is SLOW compard to his but this should be fun.. on the highway doing about 65-70mph i drop to 3rd next to him let the BOV go. and he laughs at me.. but what should i expect. So he drops gears.. and i punch it first. then well he goes by.. but not too bad i was surprised how well i did. Then we get home and i said "When we raced on the highway you droped it into 4th gear didnt you?" He said " yea.. thats why i didnt pull TOO hard on you" He probly had a good 3 cars on me before i toped out 3rd. I just shook my head and said " you know what? fuck you" I really wish he would have went to third i just want to see his car just fucking take off.

Oh he has 360-370rwhp.. so he has 150hp more to the wheels thani have at the flywheel .. LOL but was fun..

Puckman · Jun 10, 2002

so he has 150hp more to the wheels thani have at the flywheel

That's funny. It's nice to have a car like that close by to gauge your car's power

NewB2DSM · Jun 10, 2002

That's funny. It's nice to have a car like that close by to gauge your car's power

Umm NO its not... it sucks b/c it makes you relize how SLOW your car is

But its fun to ride in...

$Big Pimpin$ · Jun 10, 2002

You should race him form a dead stop.

NewB2DSM · Jun 10, 2002

You should race him form a dead stop.

That would only work if i ran him though first gear and then stopped.

He raced a full BPU steath R/T from a dead stop and it was a quarter mile race (we marked it off with the telipphone poles? the R/T got like a car jump on him from a stop and then my brother just stomped him as soon as he got into 2nd gear. And well his car is faster than mine. But im hoping that i can get some uprades were i can beat him 2 60mph.. lol. But by the time i do that he probly will have new turbos, intercoolers, and injecors.
Thats all he has left to do. and the internals of course. I think he told me him goal for the car was 500rwhp. Witch would be easy wth new turbos, intercoolers, and injectors, and maybe a extrued honed intake manafold. and a little better flowing headers. But im sure he will get there. And the worst part of having it sitting in the garage is the fact that i walk by it everyday. And he wont let me drive it now that he has his new clutch, flywheel, test pipes and downpipes, and boost controller. I got to drive it with a slipping clutch with like 300rwhp. WOOHOO for me. LOL

Low Flying GS-T · Jun 10, 2002

NewB2DSM said:
Umm NO its not... it sucks b/c it makes you relize how SLOW your car is

But its fun to ride in...

Just save up and get yourself a FP Green and the supporting hardware and when your trapping over 115mph in a AWD you will be the one takin it easy on him!

dohcfwdturbo · Jun 10, 2002

don't worry your're still stock..with some modds he wont be taking you so easily and when you upgrade your turbo and get supporting mods for that you'll give him a good race

Bluntdogg · Jun 10, 2002

NewB2DSM said:
Oh he has 360-370rwhp..

Did he dyno at that, or is it just an estimate?

NewB2DSM · Jun 10, 2002

Umm he dynoed 334rwhp and 357 rwt. this was a 94 degree day with 92% humidity. and NO FANS on intercoolers. So this is how we calculated the 360-370rwhp on a nice day.

First time he dynoed he had all the same mods exept no fuel controller. and he was running rich at about 11 on the scale. He dynoed 332 rwhp running RICH it was about 65degreens and about 80% humidty (was raining outside)

so we went again this time with the fuel contoller. First time was just a test run and he had the fuel set to 11 (on the scale thingy) and dynoed a little over 300 i think it was like 307. This was on the 94 degree day. So we fiddled with the fuel controller cut back on fuel and got it at 12 on the scale (witch is perfect.. the guy told us) this time when he ran he put down 334rwhp (still 94 degree day)

Ok so we fugure he gained 30rwhp by the tunning (going from 11 too 12 on the scale) this was on the hot day. On the cool day he dynoed 332rwhp running rich (11 on the scale thingy) so if you figure if he would have tunned it to 12 on that day he would have gotten an extra 30rwhp or a little more sicne it was cool. so that 36X ish rwhp. IF that makes any sence... but thats on a nice 60 degree day with HIgh humity.

Here are his mods so you dont think im lying about this.
Apexi Intake
Apexi BOV
JWT ECU
Blitz DTT-DC Turbo Timer
Blitz SBC-DC Boost Controller
HKS AFR Fuel Controller
Apexi Multi Checker
Greg Dupree 2 1/2" Downpipes
Greg Dupree 2 1/2" Test Pipes
Thermal 2 1/2" Cat-Back System
Koyo Radiator
Ash Custom Short Shifter
Redline Tranny Fluid
Redline Rear Diff. Fluid
RPS Sport Street Clutch
Fidanza Lightened Flywheel

Steel Braided Brake Cables
Axxis Metal Master Pads
Painted Calipers and Rotors

Greg Dupree's Subframe Spacers
New Stock Adjustable Shocks
Eibach Lowering Springs
Bridgestone Potenza RE730's All The Way Around
On Stock TT Wheels

Trust Red Topped Shift Knob
ZtoyZ Black Leather With Red J-SPEC Stiching:
Shift Boot
E-Brake Boot
Center Console

PIAA Platinum Super White 55w Low Beams
PIAA Platinum Super White 51w Fog Lights
Glare Guards Removed
Fully Cleared Front Corner Lenses
Stillen Louvered Center Panel
New Paint As Of 12/01

thats why i said around 360rwhp and it was a nice cool day out when we ran.

NewB2DSM · Jun 10, 2002

True im still stock.. but by the time i get the money to do a new turbo and supproting mods.. he will have new turbos, intercoolers and injectors.

GOd i hate my brother. Oh well im never expecting to beat him or even keep up.. his car is way out of my league. Im mostly going after the ricers and mustangs and not the super cars of japan. well besides the vr4's, there not that fast and dont impress me that much.
But if they want to play im not going to back down.

TBoost · Jun 11, 2002

Interesting. How much does that car weigh? He basically only has boost, intake and exhaust. Eveything else is pretty much stock. I'm surprised he's getting that much to the wheels from the stock 270RWHP.

He would be stage 2 too, not stage 5.

I'd love to run him...

-M

TBoost · Jun 11, 2002

NewB2DSM said:
True im still stock.. but by the time i get the money to do a new turbo and supproting mods.. he will have new turbos, intercoolers and injectors.

The car has extremely good potential. Of course, you may not ever make more mods to beat him, but you aren't supposed to with a car that already had 300HP stock!

-M

NewB2DSM · Jun 11, 2002

TBoost
Stage 2 is intake and chip... he has alot more than just intake and chip.

The car was 3400 pounds. And why do you find it hard to belive it makes that much hp with just those mods. Hell a supra makes 420rwhp with intake echuast and boost. So why cant a Z??

And the car is stock at 9.5 pounds he is running 15psi. Also he has EVERYTHING done but internals,injectors, intercoolers, and turbos. THis is with every easy to do bolt on. Proper fuel tunning added 30rwhp.

He made 291rwhp with just intake and boost at 13.5 with a spike of 15psi. witch with the boost you need a chip so just intake chip and boost jets (13.5 spike of 15psi)

I think you would get your ass handed to you as well.. may not from a stop but defently from any ROLL. He took down fully BPU vr4's from a 1st gear roll. these cars suck for lauching... also has taken down a supra on the highway (didnt know supra mods but had exhuast but i dont know what else) also beat a c5 no big deal but still a vette.

Low Flying GS-T · Jun 11, 2002

Dude those are some pretty big words, he has a "7" even the older ones are highway killers when modded well. And like he said he doesn't have much besides Intake and exhaust mods with added boost, I don't see no port work or anything. Only fuel control seems to be the AFR and I doupt 30 degree weather make up for 30WHP And a Z will dyno more aroun 245-250WHP stock. Also I have heard they don't respond to mods quite like a Supra due to the V6 instead of inline which seems to always pack more punch on the top end side. Not to mention they are hard to work on under the engine bay and you need two of most of their parts.

NewB2DSM · Jun 11, 2002

Dude those are some pretty big words, he has a "7" even the older ones are highway killers when modded well. And like he said he doesn't have much besides Intake and exhaust mods with added boost, I don't see no port work or anything. Only fuel control seems to be the AFR and I doupt 30 degree weather make up for 30WHP And a Z will dyno more aroun 245-250WHP stock. Also I have heard they don't respond to mods quite like a Supra due to the V6 instead of inline which seems to always pack more punch on the top end side. Not to mention they are hard to work on under the engine bay and you need two of most of their parts.

Yes i know they are big words and i posted before i saw he had a 7.

WHy do you guess knock the Z so much and think its a pussy car or somthing. yes it does not take mods as well as a supra but it can make more power with the same boost as a supra. Trust me on this. A BPU supra runs 18-20 psi and makes 420rwhp. A Z running 15Psi with the same BPU mods makes less power true but its not running 18-20psi. B/c the Z's injercotors and turbos cant take that much pressure stock. Also my brother blew a Full BPU+ supra apart that was running 10psi and my brother running 15psi. yes 5 pounds different but a FULL BPU makes 420rwhp@18psi or so. So subtract 8psi and you loose more than 100rwhp. But oh well with the flame war. I just dont get it the fact that you guys dont like Z or have little respect for them but you all think a supra is God. Witch it CAN be but so can a Z.

ANd 30rwhp well guess what it will. With no fans on the intercoolers and running in a hot garage.. you dont think you can make 30rwhp on a cool day? And did you even read why i said 30rwhp?? the thing with the fuel controller gaining 30rwhp on that day. ANd he dynoed before on a 65degree day and got the same numbers he did WITH fuel tunning as he did when he war running RICH!!. what dont you get? explain this to me. And yes no porting or anything has been done. ANd its not hard to work on at all. Everything you really need to get to is ontop or underneath. So i guess if you dont have a lift avable it can be hard.. but really not too bad.

If you still dont think a cool day can add 30rwhp.. then go run your car on a 90degree + day and then on a 60 degree day. I dont know your mods so i dont know how much you can tell.. but there is a big difference in power. With the dyno runs we did after the second run his number kept going down beacuse of heat soaked intercoolers and heat soaked ingine. We lost about 15rwhp from the second run to the 4th run. If i had my scanner hooked up i would post the dyno sheets. and show you he gained 30rwhp just with tunning. then i would post the one were he ran rich and put down the same numbers as he did when he was tuned. B/C of temp.!!!

But whatever it does not really bother me that you knock on the Z.. just go find your self a stage 5 Z and race it and tell me what you think.

Low Flying GS-T · Jun 12, 2002

If it doesn't bother you, people knocking Z's then why the essay post. I just feel they need alot more money to be spent to become a very quick car. And out of the Supra, Z, VR4, and Rx-7 it would be my last choice of the Japanese Super cars.

NewB2DSM · Jun 12, 2002

. And out of the Supra, Z, VR4, and Rx-7 it would be my last choice of the Japanese Super cars.

Well i fyou want to make a really fast car the best one out of all of them is the supra.. thats easy but here is the reason why.. inline Six has a huge potental. Second for making BIG power the RX7 but must have tons of money for a relbuld every 10k miles =D then the Z and then the vr4. thats my order. But when you think about it the Z is the best for the MONEY!! but if you have lots of money that does not matter. WHy i say this.. well you can get a TTZ with 50k miles for like 15K a supra with same miles about 22k now drop in 8k in a Z and your easly at 500rwhp. But this can be said about many cars. like take a a 3k dsm and put in 13K very fast car. But were talking about the super cars.

I would agree with you on the fact it takes more money for a Z than a supra to get to 500rwhp. But above that they are pretty much the same. Both need internals done.. FMIC or large side mounts.. bigger turbos or turbo for the supra. So once you get above 500rwhp they both are very costly but getting there is cheaper in the supra than the Z yes.

Now you would take a Z last over the super cars?? to me your a fool, if i had to pick one of the cars and i only could afford the CAR and no mods. I would take the supra.. then the Z then Rx7 then the vr4.... the reasons why? well the supra is the fastest out of the factory. the Z will last alot longer than the rx7. and the rx7 is better than a vr4. And to me that you stated you would take a vr4 over a Z makes me think you are slitly insane =D. But its your choice. But if you ever have the money to get one of these cars do resurch. everyone HATES the vr4.. even the people that own them. Vr4s well suck at taking mods they cant get anywere unless you get new turbos. Trust me on this. I saw a full BPU vr4 get taken down by a STOCK vr4. they raced 6 times... the stock one 3 times and the BPU won 3 times. And he also raced a BPU stealth R/T and beat it. With a STOCK vr4. maybe he has a monster out of the factory but thats one monster. Also things break on them ALOT.. well not alot just most of the time. And personaly i dont think they are worth the money. just my opion we are all intitled to our own.

Now the reason for the two essays on the Z and why people knock them. Well i just think its funny that they do.. i dont care they do but I at least try to change there minds. And All my freinds were sceptical untill they road in the car. now they all love it. ANd my freind has a Vr4 and he would take a Z over his car anyday (or so he says). that is the reason i wrote the essay above... i really dont care what peole think.. But what i do think is that before you knock on a car.. ride in one. and if you have.. then you have room to talk. Iv ridden in vr4's.. and a Z... and watched many supras run.. shit the only reason i didnt ride in one was b/c i rode in the Z during the race. I have yet to ride in a Rx7 and i would love too.. but i dont knock on rx7 besides they blow up and dont last very long unless taken extreamly good care of

I guess thats all i have to say.

Bluntdogg · Jun 12, 2002

I like the Z, but no way he would gain 30rwhp just because of the temperature. Obviously you wouldn't be as fast on that 90 degree day, but 30 WHEEL horsepower is a huge huge difference.

You've been defending your brothers Z ever since you joined here. We got the point by now.

rosman4u · Jun 12, 2002

Bluntdogg said:
I like the Z, but no way he would gain 30rwhp just because of the temperature. Obviously you wouldn't be as fast on that 90 degree day, but 30 WHEEL horsepower is a huge huge difference.

You've been defending your brothers Z ever since you joined here. We got the point by now.

MAN!! you are on crack Bluntdogg! I got 38rwhp from my 1.8 here in florida with a chip & exhaust when the temp got up to 102 degrees (92HP to 130HP), get this on pump gas with a 10" fan on the oil pan!

LOL

anyway seriously I have alot of respect for the Z, have riden in them many times, heck as I write this my co-worker who has one 94 ZX just took off like a mad man to lunch. With those mods it very believable, I know a Z with similiar mods in my local area (seen him in the local import car shows) with similiar mods, very nice guy, nice body kit and all, though he also had rods, pistons, balanced crank done. Running in the 450HP-475HP zone, dont remember exactly but I'll run into him again at the next show & take some pics.

NewB2DSM · Jun 12, 2002

I like the Z, but no way he would gain 30rwhp just because of the temperature. Obviously you wouldn't be as fast on that 90 degree day, but 30 WHEEL horsepower is a huge huge difference.

First off.. did you even read were i got the 30rwhp from??/ at all it makes perfect sence... he gained 30rwhp when he brought the line on the graph for air/fuel from 11 - 12. so thats 334rwhp, on the hot day. Now on the cool day when he didnt have it tunned he was running at 11 on the graph witch is RICH he put down 332rwhp. So if he would have tuned then and got the same results of 30rwhp from tunnning the air/fuel. IE bringing the line on the graph from 11 - 12. thats would be 362rwhp. RIGHT??
thats what im saying!! thats were im getting the temp makes that big of a difference.

Now why im defending my brothers Z.. yes i have been doing it since i joined. Want to know why? i guess you would. Well before i was looking into buying a DSM i was looking very hard for a Z. So i was on twinturbo.net everyday. THe only reason i didnt get a Z is beacuse if i got one, it would have been a N/A and thats not fun. Also the insurance would have been more. And it would suck to drive in the winter. So i went with AWD DSM. So since i was on the board 24/7 i have seen some very cool Z's and what they can do. So im just not defending my brothers Z im defending them all. Becuase alot of people bash them and dont know much about them.. Personaly and this is pretty sad. I know more about a Z than my DSM. Im done and if you still dont see where i got the 30rwhp from ill post the dyno sheets as soon as i find the software for my scanner. and find the rest of his dyno sheets b/c i only have one infront of me right now. and it was his very first one when he ran with Chip and intake and put down 291rwhp. well ill see if i can find those sheets..

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