97 Eclipse N/T vs 02 MR2-S vs 93 Probe GT

NT_NoProblem · Jun 29, 2002

Well here's the story. My sister just bought a 02 MR2 Spyder with the new SMT tranny which is kinda cool, if you need an auto. Anyways her boyfriend just did some custom upholstry and came over to show me. We got to talking and he decides he wants to run my Eclipse N/T with I/H/E. We line up and I count down 1st gear were even then I hit 2nd and pull pretty good on him (well for my Eclipse ) 3rd I had him buy about 2 cars, keep in mind im on 18's too, and thats how it ended me by 2 cars.

Then he wants to go again since it was pretty close. Well this time we had the MR2, Eclipse and the Probe my wife had the Probe. The MR2 and the Probe line up with me behind them, they count down then their off. 1st gear the Probe spins bad the MR2 had about 1/2 car lead, 2nd gear Probe passes the MR2 and gains about 2 cars by 3rd, then topping out 3rd the Probe is easily pulling away, at least 6-7 cars then she let off and in the meantime I had reeled in the MR2 with my Eclipse now if I only had a turbo I could catch the Probe

All in all it was fun I thought the MR2 would kill my Eclipse but I guess the lag in that tranny kill's it. Then of course the Probe easily took both of us, not really a race.

PuTang247 · Jun 29, 2002

good kill....those mr2 spyders are dog slow...i once read somewhere that the first year the mr2 spyders came out only 1000-2000 were sold nationwide....kinda sad

I think they're ugly too...want to look like a porsche, but cant match the speed

Andy

PokeyTheDSM · Jun 29, 2002

I highly dissagree. The MR•S is HIGHLY under-rated. If all you want to do is just drag race, it's definately the wrong car. But it's also one of the lightest cars on the road right now, and the aftermarket support in Japan is huge.

Did I mention that the MR•S is the current car to beat in the GT300 (300 horse power) class of the Japan Grand Touring Cup, beating RX-7's, Silvia's, and Impreza's?

Go look at Top Secret (Makers of the T88 4 cylinder Supra that went 220 mph) and they make turbo kits that'll push the MR•S over 200 HP easily. Granted, like all japanese parts, it costs an arm and a leg, but still...

And I think the Arta Apexi MR•S looks badass all widebodied and hard topped.

There's the Arta Apexi one.

PuTang247 · Jun 29, 2002

i meant coming out of the factory stock, they are slow as hell...and even with BPU they are still slow. If you spent an arm and a leg on ANY car by putting on a turbo and ALL supporting mods, of course it's gonna be fast. Take our cars for instance....stock they have about 175 whp after about a good $5000-10,000 you can get 700-800whp running 10s in the 1/4. With the right amount of money you can do anything

I just wish i had myself some

Andy

PokeyTheDSM · Jun 29, 2002

Buying an MR•S for drag racing is like buying a Suburban for autocross.

I think the MR•S is very quick and VERY agile for what it is. They didn't make it to go HUR HUR HUR I'M RUNNING NINE'S. It's a street legal go-kart like the CRX, and 1st gen MR2 non-supercharged (If you know, those things used to run sub 2000lbs).

Think outside drag-racing for a minute and think of other autosports. I'm quite sure that the MR•S would embarass any stock DSM on autocross or road course that are not four big turns and a straightaway.

mac · Jun 30, 2002

PuTang247 said:
i meant coming out of the factory stock, they are slow as hell...and even with BPU they are still slow. If you spent an arm and a leg on ANY car by putting on a turbo and ALL supporting mods, of course it's gonna be fast. Take our cars for instance....stock they have about 175 whp after about a good $5000-10,000 you can get 700-800whp running 10s in the 1/4. With the right amount of money you can do anything I just wish i had myself some

Andy

slow is all relative man. whats its competion? miatas? i read them pitted against each other a while ago. the mr did 15.8 to the mazdas 16.1. those are quick cars for what they are. and they arent meant for that anyway{dragging} driving little roadsters like that are tons of fun. there power is easily controllable and usable in turns.

and your gonna need more than 10grand to put 800 whp down in a dsm.

PuTang247 · Jun 30, 2002

Big Turbo- $1500
supporting mods for turbo(exhaust, fuel, intake, BOV, etc.)-$3000
150 shot of Nitrous-$1000
Race motor-$3500
Race tranny-$1200
30 psi on half a tank of 116 octane~$35
Total-$10,200
okay so i was off by 200

Nait Sirhc · Jun 30, 2002

Sorry, but you aren't going to push 30 psi on an MR-S motor. I don't care what the hell you do to it.

And $5-10K does not get you 700-800 whp on a DSM. I don't even think Buschur has that much HP.

NT_NoProblem · Jun 30, 2002

Nait Sirhc said:
Sorry, but you aren't going to push 30 psi on an MR-S motor. I don't care what the hell you do to it.

And $5-10K does not get you 700-800 whp on a DSM. I don't even think Buschur has that much HP.

Actually he was talking about running 30 psi on an Eclipse. I dont know about the MRS but I will run 30 psi on my motor. I know the turbo kinda runs out of breath at 25 psi but who cares I wanna see how much power the TD06 can make

mac · Jul 2, 2002

PuTang247 said:
Big Turbo- $1500
supporting mods for turbo(exhaust, fuel, intake, BOV, etc.)-$3000
150 shot of Nitrous-$1000
Race motor-$3500
Race tranny-$1200
30 psi on half a tank of 116 octane~$35
Total-$10,200
okay so i was off by 200

right

PuTang247 · Jul 2, 2002

Sorry i didn't mean 700-800 Whp...i meant at the crank, habit from a different thread.

Mac, whats up with the rollingeyes dude??? Do you want more proof...

"Looks good on paper, how's it work?"
The Green has proven its effectiveness on numerous 1G and 2G DSM applications. Curt Brown's 1G AWD race car ran a 10.7 @ 130mph with no nitrous. Loren Jacobs' full weight 2G AWD street car ran 11.5 @ 125mph, also without nitrous. The bottom line is, this turbo hauls ass.

Thats from forcedperformance.com....hmmmmm, they pulled a 11.5 and 10.5 W/O nitrous, so lets say we slap on a 150 shot of nitrous onto a a motor with forged internals, say hello to 10s all day at the track. So don't go rolling your eyes dude. Anything is possible, guys have pulled 12s in 14b and thats a stock turbo pulling high 14s, low 15s STOCK....with a few minor adjustments and mods they're able to knock off 2 whole seconds in the 1/4 mile. YOu don't think it'd be possible to do this with $10k

I think it's very possible. Do some research or think before you post something.

As for the mr2 being quick around the corners....i never said they couldn't handle, I agree very much they have great handling...this thread started with street races-(starting from a line and taking off).....I simply just stated that they were SLOW when it came to that.

Andy

F1HolEShoT · Jul 7, 2002

i have to take the mr2's side. i had one of them, not all that powerful, but could outhandle anything i came across. they were quick for the fact they were light. it didnt feel like driving a car, it felt like a toy that you could point to the curve, maintain proper throttle, and it would stick. if you gave it a little too much, the back would break free and you could oversteer around the turn to put on one hell of a show for bystanders, or make the person sitting next to you crap their pants.

well, the fun comes to an end when you go 70 - 75 mph in a 20 mph turn, mistakenly open the clutch, weight transfers forward, backend comes around, overcounter, and smack into a jeep.

diambo4life · Jul 12, 2002

Actually the SMT is just slightly faster than an automatic MRS (Not really fast). Manuals are quite quick though. The good thing about the MRS is that it has very little drivetrain loss with it's tramsmission. It's rated at about 138HP but puts about 126-128HP to the ground. It's also a sub 6 sec. car 0-60mph. People are still looking for ways (maybe someone already has) to drop the 2ZZFE (from the Celica GTS) to replace the 1ZZFE in the MRS. Then, it would be even nastier.

NT_NoProblem · Jul 12, 2002

diambo4life said:
Actually the SMT is just slightly faster than an automatic MRS (Not really fast). Manuals are quite quick though. The good thing about the MRS is that it has very little drivetrain loss with it's tramsmission. It's rated at about 138HP but puts about 126-128HP to the ground. It's also a sub 6 sec. car 0-60mph. People are still looking for ways (maybe someone already has) to drop the 2ZZFE (from the Celica GTS) to replace the 1ZZFE in the MRS. Then, it would be even nastier.

Yeah by no means am I trying to say my Eclipse is fast

But I drove the MRS and that tranny has major lag when you shift,its pretty cool though.

As for doing motor swaps, I dont really think you need too. There is a guy on the MR2 board with a turbo on his MRS running 12.6 at 109. There is also a rumor that the MRS is going to be coming out with a 3.0 liter V6 making like 230-240 hp, now that would be a fun car

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