Lets say you have $13K excluding a car. What can you make faster with $13K, a 87-93' Mustang 5.0 or a 89-94' Turbo DSM? (when you post, include the price of car, and the total price of the mods, and an estimate of how much hp you'd be making with the 2 cars)
Dsm Vs 5.0
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come on man...
get a dsm! i think it is much cooler pushing big hp and fast 1/4 time out of a small displacement engine (in this case 2L v 5L) than a bigger displacement engine. besides, with $13k you'll still have a streetable dsm that will blow the doors off a majority of the big V8s out there on the street. i'm not hating on the V8 domestic crowd because i totally think that raw power is cool, but if i were you i would totally go dsm. with $13k in that mustang, you would definetly not be a very streetable car plus it would be useless in the winter (depending on where you live). nothing like snowfilled parking lots and awd turbo in the winter
just on a side note, my friend's talon had $100 worth of mods (boost gauge and manual boost controller) plus free mod and he stayed dead even with a Z06. i know what i would do with $13k and it wouldn't be buying a mustang that's for sure!
get a dsm! i think it is much cooler pushing big hp and fast 1/4 time out of a small displacement engine (in this case 2L v 5L) than a bigger displacement engine. besides, with $13k you'll still have a streetable dsm that will blow the doors off a majority of the big V8s out there on the street. i'm not hating on the V8 domestic crowd because i totally think that raw power is cool, but if i were you i would totally go dsm. with $13k in that mustang, you would definetly not be a very streetable car plus it would be useless in the winter (depending on where you live). nothing like snowfilled parking lots and awd turbo in the winter
just on a side note, my friend's talon had $100 worth of mods (boost gauge and manual boost controller) plus free mod and he stayed dead even with a Z06. i know what i would do with $13k and it wouldn't be buying a mustang that's for sure!IHMO.
Stangs are a good dry pavement, straight line car. although abnoxiously loud, & can most likely get you from point A to point B, it gets you there with no class, theres no refinement to the ugly thing, even out of the box it sounds like it needs a tuneup. Cant be used like street car in the rain or snow (Esp. a 10sec stang, they can try, it'd be funny to watch... ). Change the racing enviorment on em, add some sharp turns, & apexes & the benifit of AWD will really shine or, the lack thereof will show aswell. It'd be interesting to see if the high HP stang could really last the duration of the event. Considering Fords track record on recalls upon recalls upon recalls (is that in those stang mags aswell?), caring more about quantity not quality, having cheap parts/cars made in Mexico/Canada then parading slogans built Ford tough!" "see your quality ford dealer!" throwing Old glory in your face every chance they get. It pisses me off. Atleast the DSMs are built in Normal, IL with some quality parts (i.e. Nippondenso, NGK, Asin). I know I might piss off some of you stang lovers out there, whose daddy had a ford, & daddys daddy had a ford but todays ford garbage is built much diffrent than yesteryears 60s Mustang that were really BUILT FORD TOUGH!
go2 www.alldata.com & check the NTSB recalls on fords, its rediculous. lastly if costly gasoline to run these beasts should not be considered as a deterent to buy (I'd say a 10sec stang would get Freightliner MPG), pretty much you are saying moneys no object there? I'm not saying go crazy, but if you must get RWD to do those awsome smokey burn outs, then spend some extra loot & do it with some style. (Supra, 300Z, 90s Vette, Z28), nuff said.
just my .02 centsatriot:
Stangs are a good dry pavement, straight line car. although abnoxiously loud, & can most likely get you from point A to point B, it gets you there with no class, theres no refinement to the ugly thing, even out of the box it sounds like it needs a tuneup. Cant be used like street car in the rain or snow (Esp. a 10sec stang, they can try, it'd be funny to watch...
). Change the racing enviorment on em, add some sharp turns, & apexes & the benifit of AWD will really shine or, the lack thereof will show aswell. It'd be interesting to see if the high HP stang could really last the duration of the event. Considering Fords track record on recalls upon recalls upon recalls (is that in those stang mags aswell?), caring more about quantity not quality, having cheap parts/cars made in Mexico/Canada then parading slogans built Ford tough!" "see your quality ford dealer!" throwing Old glory in your face every chance they get. It pisses me off. Atleast the DSMs are built in Normal, IL with some quality parts (i.e. Nippondenso, NGK, Asin). I know I might piss off some of you stang lovers out there, whose daddy had a ford, & daddys daddy had a ford but todays ford garbage is built much diffrent than yesteryears 60s Mustang that were really BUILT FORD TOUGH!go2 www.alldata.com & check the NTSB recalls on fords, its rediculous. lastly if costly gasoline to run these beasts should not be considered as a deterent to buy (I'd say a 10sec stang would get Freightliner MPG), pretty much you are saying moneys no object there? I'm not saying go crazy, but if you must get RWD to do those awsome smokey burn outs, then spend some extra loot & do it with some style. (Supra, 300Z, 90s Vette, Z28), nuff said.
just my .02 cents
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well saidimportvic said:IHMO.
Stangs are a good dry pavement, straight line car. although abnoxiously loud, & can most likely get you from point A to point B, it gets you there with no class, theres no refinement to the ugly thing, even out of the box it sounds like it needs a tuneup. Cant be used like street car in the rain or snow (Esp. a 10sec stang, they can try, it'd be funny to watch...
go2 www.alldata.com & check the NTSB recalls on fords, its rediculous. lastly if costly gasoline to run these beasts should not be considered as a deterent to buy (I'd say a 10sec stang would get Freightliner MPG), pretty much you are saying moneys no object there? I'm not saying go crazy, but if you must get RWD to do those awsome smokey burn outs, then spend some extra loot & do it with some style. (Supra, 300Z, 90s Vette, Z28), nuff said.
just my .02 cents
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Just remember this statement cause its fact not opinion.sknydave said:
ecmoman- Yes there is a replacement for displacement. What happens when you add technology with displacement.: So basically there no replacement for displacement, when you add technology to it with displacement your making more HP, hey! your right!
importvic - dont know were you get your info from but I can list a good amount of dsm recalls as well, as far as looks well to each their own but notchback 5.0's will out do any dsm in looks in my opinion. I can tell you never owned a 5.0 so to most of your info is hear say she say, never once had a problem with my notchback at all, heh by far the most dependable car I had to date. "Cant be used like street car in the rain or snow (Esp. a 10sec stang, they can try, it'd be funny to watch... )." well any RWD car with alot of torque is hard to be used as a street car, how many have you owned? it can be driven quite nicely if you know how to, now if we are talking about a 10 sec car well I'd like to see you drive a 10 sec dsm or any car for that matter in the rain or snow, I agree it'd be fun to watch. You mention gas? funny I dont think gas is an issue when building up a car to run 10 sec 1/4 mile, actually a pretty stupid comment to make cause it contradicts your purpose for having the car "oh let me build up a fast car for the 1/4 and try my best to get good gas mileage" huh? that has nothing to do with the original thread question, sorry to sound harsh but this thread is going way off topic. Spend the extra loot another $10k for a supra, vette, etc.., oh yeah, that's definitely an option for someone who asked on spending $13k to build up a car, here is my response with a quote from another dsm member.
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importvic said:IHMO.
Stangs are a good dry pavement, straight line car. although abnoxiously loud, & can most likely get you from point A to point B, it gets you there with no class, theres no refinement to the ugly thing, even out of the box it sounds like it needs a tuneup. Cant be used like street car in the rain or snow (Esp. a 10sec stang, they can try, it'd be funny to watch...
go2 www.alldata.com & check the NTSB recalls on fords, its rediculous. lastly if costly gasoline to run these beasts should not be considered as a deterent to buy (I'd say a 10sec stang would get Freightliner MPG), pretty much you are saying moneys no object there? I'm not saying go crazy, but if you must get RWD to do those awsome smokey burn outs, then spend some extra loot & do it with some style. (Supra, 300Z, 90s Vette, Z28), nuff said.
just my .02 cents
the thread should have ended with this...
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mods might have to close this thread before it gets out of hand
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Re: come on man...
1) The Z06 wasn't racing, and probably wasn't even in gear.
2) The Z06 was running on 2 cylinders.
3) The Z06 was parked.
There are only three ways that this could be true.g9s0x said:
1) The Z06 wasn't racing, and probably wasn't even in gear.
2) The Z06 was running on 2 cylinders.
3) The Z06 was parked.
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Re: Re: come on man...
You mention gas? funny I dont think gas is an issue when building up a car to run 10 sec 1/4 mile, actually a pretty stupid comment to make cause it contradicts your purpose for having the car "oh let me build up a fast car for the 1/4 and try my best to get good gas mileage" huh?
exactly!!!
although i've driven 100hp rwd cars and lost control here in MI and boy was AWD nice
for $13k, build up a race car and have a $1000 reliable beater IMO, since anything that run's 10's will break frequently and you will not want to drive to work
stil, i'd say go 351W dammit!!!
-aaron
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!Nait Sirhc said:
You mention gas? funny I dont think gas is an issue when building up a car to run 10 sec 1/4 mile, actually a pretty stupid comment to make cause it contradicts your purpose for having the car "oh let me build up a fast car for the 1/4 and try my best to get good gas mileage" huh?
exactly!!!
although i've driven 100hp rwd cars and lost control here in MI and boy was AWD nice
for $13k, build up a race car and have a $1000 reliable beater IMO, since anything that run's 10's will break frequently and you will not want to drive to work
stil, i'd say go 351W dammit!!!
-aaron
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I got into an arguement over this at stangnet.com. The problem with Mustangs is that once you get the horsepower (not hard) you'll need a grip of other stuff. My neighbor had a full interior 93 cobra and he had a fully built 347, ATI procharger, slicks, new lightweight WELD wheels for slicks, traction bars, shocks, springs, subframe connectors, adjustable upper and lower control arms, adjustable swaybay, injectors, custom ignition box, new built trans, new axles, gears for the rearend, yada yada yada. Thats all I can remember. He could NEVER hook up his tires with 17 pounds on boost. His estimated 11 sec GSX had K&N filter, custom (by him) IC piping to a Porshe intercooler, 2.5 inch exhaust, 20G turbo, 550 cc injectors, SAFC, Greddy turbo timer, and thats it. Oh, he had cut springs too. He SWEARS the 2 cars would run the same 1/4 mile, and he's an drag racing expert. He built both cars in his garage, along with a few more nice cars, and is an excellent driver. You should see some of the arrogant/ignorant guys over at the mustang forum though...I'm there because I'm about to buy one but I get flamed all the time just because my sn is HondaCRX (my current POS). They refuse to admit that there are imports that are fast and that we do more than add stickers and chrome rims
I think if i just wanted a drag car and thats it i would say the stang. But if i wanted a daily driven car that can handle pretty good and still go fast. I would say DSM. Mustang all you got to do is basicly stroke it and put a 200shot. Fast car. Crap my freind had a 11.X mustang no bottle. then ran the car into a wall. its getting built not and he is planing on spraying. But really a mustang on spray is fast. Get the engine built for it and you can run 200 - 250shots and bein the low 11's But again if i wanted a street car thats fast i would say dsm. Slap on a 18g and front mount and the other stuff and go for the gold. Crap you can find a 1gen dsm for like 4-5K then put 7K into parts pretty sure it would be fast.
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that's the problem my friend had - he only had $6 total for car and mods. for $6k you have a damn quick dsm (buy for $1-3k beater), but 5.0 there's not enough $. can only run 13's on bpu.have to get heads to get over like 300hp and they cost $1k or more. plus then the chassis starts hating you and no traction, whereas awd you're good to goturbovolvo said:I got into an arguement over this at stangnet.com. The problem with Mustangs is that once you get the horsepower (not hard) you'll need a grip of other stuff. My neighbor had a full interior 93 cobra and he had a fully built 347, ATI procharger, slicks, new lightweight WELD wheels for slicks, traction bars, shocks, springs, subframe connectors, adjustable upper and lower control arms, adjustable swaybay, injectors, custom ignition box, new built trans, new axles, gears for the rearend, yada yada yada. Thats all I can remember. He could NEVER hook up his tires with 17 pounds on boost. His estimated 11 sec GSX had K&N filter, custom (by him) IC piping to a Porshe intercooler, 2.5 inch exhaust, 20G turbo, 550 cc injectors, SAFC, Greddy turbo timer, and thats it. Oh, he had cut springs too. He SWEARS the 2 cars would run the same 1/4 mile, and he's an drag racing expert. He built both cars in his garage, along with a few more nice cars, and is an excellent driver. You should see some of the arrogant/ignorant guys over at the mustang forum though...I'm there because I'm about to buy one but I get flamed all the time just because my sn is HondaCRX (my current POS). They refuse to admit that there are imports that are fast and that we do more than add stickers and chrome rims
. cheap speed for a v8 is def n20.-aaron
There are alot of mustangs in the 11s that i know of that are on almost stock spec cams. And run and drive almost like from the factory. Not to mention they run those times on pump gas. Like to see a DSM run in the 11s on pump. Heads/Intake/Cam and a Nice 7-8psi blower and you can easily be in the 11s on drag radials. It will put you in about the 440-460rwhp range. Theres many guys running that on stock bottom end. And the cam idles fine, not to mention sounds awesome. That is alot of money left over from that 13k also to spend on suspension brakes a T-56 or a body kit even.
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dre99gsx dynoed 470whp on pump gas :-Dbeemrmem3 said:
heads/intake/cam and a blower would cost about ~$5k or so. you could get a dsm in the 11's on that much as well
hell, build a 350ci sb and put it in a G-body for $13k. they make plenty of suspension parts for G-body, and can't go wrong with a sb...shiet, for $13k go 502ci bb and add a blower
-aaron
Look guys hands down dsm's are awesome cars, I mean there is a reason I'm trying to still get a 1g turbo, maybe even a GSX if lucky, till then I have to just keep looking, anyhow unless you have or had a mustang, know about the parts, read the mags, dont make ignorant comments on how expensive they are, fact is after seeing many dsm's, race dsmn's and part to mod them, Mustangs are not more expensive, they pretty damn cheap on base mods, forced induction & aluminum heads are more costly but were talking starting at $800-$1200 for heads, $2k for a S/C and up, get Novi3000 or a big vortech and get boost up to 36psi (yes stangs well built handle that amount) I've seen this on a guys daily driver in fast fords mag. Fact is the More displacement + Force Induction = More Horsepower physics dont lie.
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well, you put everyone in their place hererosman4u said:
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if it were me and i were trying to build a nice race ready car on 13k i would have a 91 model Mustang LX 4cylinder with a blow motor. they can be found around here for around 1000 bux. find a 351 winsor out of an old ford pickup. build up the motor with strong internals, nice aggressive cams, and fuel injection if you want it. i would just get a nice big holley carb. heads long tube headers and of course some nice free flow mufflers. then a tremec t-56 tranny. ford 9in rear end with 3.73 gears. of course youll need trac bars and prolly cheater slicks but with that formula you should be running a nice 1/4 mile. plus with the t56 youll have 6 gears and should be able to acheive atleast respectable top end, and (even though some have dismissed it as being a factor) a livable gas mileage. just my personal opinion and what i would do.
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