Lets say you have $13K excluding a car. What can you make faster with $13K, a 87-93' Mustang 5.0 or a 89-94' Turbo DSM? (when you post, include the price of car, and the total price of the mods, and an estimate of how much hp you'd be making with the 2 cars)
Dsm Vs 5.0
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6-bolt race built engine $2500
Bigass turbo w/ wastegate $2000
850 Injectors $500
Fuel pump $300
Gauges, bosst controler $400
fuel Management (afc, vpc, DSMLink...) $600
3" Exhaust $500
Intercooler $1000
Nitrous $500
Tranny upgrades $700
Total $9000
If you get all this installed and properlly tunned you should be running 10's, maybe 9's...
Bigass turbo w/ wastegate $2000
850 Injectors $500
Fuel pump $300
Gauges, bosst controler $400
fuel Management (afc, vpc, DSMLink...) $600
3" Exhaust $500
Intercooler $1000
Nitrous $500
Tranny upgrades $700
Total $9000
If you get all this installed and properlly tunned you should be running 10's, maybe 9's...
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this isn't stangnet!!!ocshaman said:
but for fuel injected 5.0's it's something like:
intake
exhaust
headers
gears
pulleys
mas/f upgrade
chip
injectors
afpr
pump
intake mani
heads
cams
n2o
s/c
good tread
put some 4cyl shocks and springs up front :-D
give or take some steps
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i will never understand, why people talk about how other cars are better than dsm's ON DSMTALK.COM 
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the 5.0 wont have any problem whooping the DSM in the higher mod stages...just has more overall potential with the extra pistons and displacement, especially if you supercharge or twin turbo it.
In the lower mod stages youd have a pretty good rivalry, especially if the 5.0 stayed N/A (no spray). a DSM with all the basic large-diameter in/out mods and cranked boost would probaby match the 5.0 with similar mods.
I dont think the old 5.0's are that cool though...ho-hum body style, 80's interior, too much ******* appeal, nothing id really choose to be seen in driving to work. I think my DSM is a piece of crap sometimes, but it's still looks somewhat classy after 10 years.
In the lower mod stages youd have a pretty good rivalry, especially if the 5.0 stayed N/A (no spray). a DSM with all the basic large-diameter in/out mods and cranked boost would probaby match the 5.0 with similar mods.
I dont think the old 5.0's are that cool though...ho-hum body style, 80's interior, too much ******* appeal, nothing id really choose to be seen in driving to work. I think my DSM is a piece of crap sometimes, but it's still looks somewhat classy after 10 years.
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There is a guy here in Houston that works at Motorsport Technologies (MTI), not sure if you guys know of the place but they're really popular for their domestic cars, and they won't touch your car unless you have a Supra or a domestic. Anyway, the guy has a 5.0 that runs 8 sec. quarters.. and still maintains A/C. I heard he moved his A/C controls into his arm rest.. hehe, now that's hardcore and streetable. From what I hear, on the line, it boosts 20psi, and then as soon as it starts to roll, it'll jump to 35psi. GG.
This thread is absolutely dumb. Everyone keeps saying a stang with a 250 shot....11's....7's....well hell, take a dsm with a 250 shot and it'll run that too...once or twice, just like the 5.0. After that have fun tracking down your pistons in the oil pan.
And as for mods list, to get a dsm into the 9's or the 10's, it takes far more than 13k, ask some of the people that went there and don't just speculate. With stangs, a car with 7mpg is not streetable. F$ck the interior or the exterior, if you need to fill up at every rest stop, then you're not streetable. Just like if your car is too uncomfortable or hard to operate in traffic, its not streetable.
I drive my stripped out dsm to work and back every day, and with a 20g still got over 20 mpg. Now with a BIG ASS turbo going in, its still staying streetable. I kept the seats, I can make it 300 miles without a fill up, and my hands are strong enough to turn the wheel, and on top of that I can see out of my windows (no huge tach's). As for mods list, this is what I did, and I'm still not in the 10's...(not for long)
Partial List/COST (some used, some new, no guages/minor crap):
BA Garrett Setup: 1800
VPC 600
AFC 300
EVC 300
3" Turbo Back 900
Big FMIC 950
TiAL BOV 200
Forged Motor/Low Compression 2500
Brakes 500
4 bolt rear 450
injectors: 350
total cost of major mods: 8850
90 AWD
Price of car: 3,500
total: 12,350
that leaves you some cash to beef up the tranny, and all the major mods are done. You guys can decide what you can run on that kind of setup, but I can say from experience that about 99.9% of stangs loose to something like this, and the .1% are those that get 7MPG and happen to be driving to the track.
And yes, try to stop from 120 in the 1/4 and you'll see why brakes are a necessity to upgrade on a 90.
In short, rustangs will stay rustangs, and I don't care how many turbos or how many carbs it takes, talk to some of the guys who actually ran the 10's and the 9's in either car, and you'll understand. All I've seen here so far is people speculating what they'll run with which mods, and NOS should not be in the equation, because like I said, the big shots will blow your motor before you run low on the bottle, simply how it is. Those cars that can handle that big of a shot aren't 5.0's with simply bigger rods.
You can never tell what a car will run with what mods, if it wasnt' for the guys who spent 50k on their car, 35 of which is in mods that didn't really do jack sh!t, then nobody would even know what to spend their money on.
and as for the guy at MTI w/ the 8 sec stang, ask him how much he spent, otherwise you might as well trow buschur's tube frame as well.
Mike
And as for mods list, to get a dsm into the 9's or the 10's, it takes far more than 13k, ask some of the people that went there and don't just speculate. With stangs, a car with 7mpg is not streetable. F$ck the interior or the exterior, if you need to fill up at every rest stop, then you're not streetable. Just like if your car is too uncomfortable or hard to operate in traffic, its not streetable.
I drive my stripped out dsm to work and back every day, and with a 20g still got over 20 mpg. Now with a BIG ASS turbo going in, its still staying streetable. I kept the seats, I can make it 300 miles without a fill up, and my hands are strong enough to turn the wheel, and on top of that I can see out of my windows (no huge tach's). As for mods list, this is what I did, and I'm still not in the 10's...(not for long)
Partial List/COST (some used, some new, no guages/minor crap):
BA Garrett Setup: 1800
VPC 600
AFC 300
EVC 300
3" Turbo Back 900
Big FMIC 950
TiAL BOV 200
Forged Motor/Low Compression 2500
Brakes 500
4 bolt rear 450
injectors: 350
total cost of major mods: 8850
90 AWD
Price of car: 3,500
total: 12,350
that leaves you some cash to beef up the tranny, and all the major mods are done. You guys can decide what you can run on that kind of setup, but I can say from experience that about 99.9% of stangs loose to something like this, and the .1% are those that get 7MPG and happen to be driving to the track.
And yes, try to stop from 120 in the 1/4 and you'll see why brakes are a necessity to upgrade on a 90.
In short, rustangs will stay rustangs, and I don't care how many turbos or how many carbs it takes, talk to some of the guys who actually ran the 10's and the 9's in either car, and you'll understand. All I've seen here so far is people speculating what they'll run with which mods, and NOS should not be in the equation, because like I said, the big shots will blow your motor before you run low on the bottle, simply how it is. Those cars that can handle that big of a shot aren't 5.0's with simply bigger rods.
You can never tell what a car will run with what mods, if it wasnt' for the guys who spent 50k on their car, 35 of which is in mods that didn't really do jack sh!t, then nobody would even know what to spend their money on.
and as for the guy at MTI w/ the 8 sec stang, ask him how much he spent, otherwise you might as well trow buschur's tube frame as well.
Mike
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Buy the stang you will love it. i hate myself for selling mine, also mine ran 12s with very little work and drag radials of course but the fact of the matter is that a stang will be faster. but dont forget that you do have to have a little suspension work for it to hook up.
heres my old baby, take note of the forsale sign in the driver window
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heres my old baby, take note of the forsale sign in the driver window
250 shot? wow that'd be pretty big investment on a stock car, for what purpose? I agree that'd be pretty stupid if your referring to a stock motor. Though stangs can handle 100-150 shot stock.mann said:
At this point your just stating your opinion so let me say mine and clarify, the guys that run highly modded stangs get more the 7mpg, try 11-14mpg, similiar to your luxury SUV, so if they drive them on the street, well that's their decision, who are you to say that its not streetable? oh wait that's your opinion, sorry. Stock vs stock its 18mpg vs 21mpg with a dsm, not much off. 7mpg? are you referring to pro stock stangs with tube chassis? or did you burrow a 10 sec stang for a week and record gas mileage?
I have to say B.S. on this one, you call that a street dsm? get over 20mpg? hmm...how is it when after all those mods, being that when stock your car gets 21mpg you still get over 20mpg? you must have some new technology under that hood that you should share with all of us.
Wow! your amazing, so you beat all stock & highly modded stangs at the strip, minus pro stock stangs that do get 5-7mpg and run the 1/4 in high 6's to mid 9's, have to say your dsm is very fast indeed. So in theory your dsm runs oh about low 10's maybe high 9's at sea level? Unless your running high 9's, thats a bold & ignorant statement to make "99.9% of stangs loose to something like this" hehe
work can be stressful but with laughs like this its worthwhile to read this post, you fit the category of the statment in my sig, read it cause it applies to you.Actually I have spoke with many owners of stangs that do run 9's & 10's, it just so happens I've been to many ford drag competitions small & big national competitions, shootouts, etc..& owned a nicely modded stang myself which I ran at the track so in other words I don't speculate, being I have pics, vids, mags and friends I've come to know at the strip to prove the otherwise, you in the other hand you have speculated most of your comments, your probably upset at the equation I said before more displacement + forced induction = more power, look feel free to say opinions but dont tell me I speculate.
That maybe true and most of those guys with $35k to $50k invested are running ultra low times in the 1/4 with pro stock class cars (pending on the car).
I have sprayed 250 through a stock motor before. It took it for 3 months before the motor and car were sold. I also have a couple of friends that do the same. They can take beatings like no tomorrow, just have to know what you're doing. Matter of fact I have seen a stock motor cept for a girdle take a 300 shot hahaha Don't know how long it lasted though I havent seen the guy in a while.
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you would be suprised on what those 302s can take. 250 no problem, but most people spray 150. the only thing is that you going to have to throw out that crappy T5 and put in a Tremec. my transmission lasted about a week after i put gears in my car.
You're right, it is my opinion. And I've said that before.
21 MPG w/a DSM? Are you WOT all the time? I get 25 MPG highway w/a big 16g, and with a FMIC & 20G I used to get 27 80% highway, and that was with boosting plenty. My car just happens to be tuned right, no knock, no black smoke. With my 25 MPG I went 12.6@112. Stock DSMs are rated closer to 25 vs 21 you said.
I'm referring to a 5.0's fuel consumption vs. 2.0 fuel consumption at a smiliar mod level.
Yeah, a fresh motor that's tuned right. Read the talon digest. Search for gas mileage when the search feature comes back up. DSMs from the factory run rich as all hell, a properly tuned DSM will go up in gas mileage easy, especially since bigger turbos w/FMIC push colder air and is more efficient that way. Colder air = leaner a/f ratio before knock kicks in. Basics.
First off, note my location, NJ, not TX (where I used to live for a while). Not everybody mods ther rustangs here to the level the midwest/south does. Yet they brag about them just the same. I've been challenged on the street as well as on the track. I've raced over 50 mustangs by now, and that's what I'm referring to. And no, my car isn't in the 9's or 10's, and I never said that. My car was in the 12's in may when I started on the teardown/rebuild, and at that point I could not find a stang worthy.
I've have yet to see one's tail lights besides in my company car. I don't race in the 6 or 9 second class, so no, I don't see the trailer queen stangs, but then again, they don't ride on the street either.
I'm not speculating (I have spoken/known many 5.0 owners), and I'm not arguing the more displacement + forced induction = more power theory of yours, that's obviousley true, just as a you can push a supra well past 900 hp due to 2 extra cylinders & better technology, but take a stang, and turbo it, do the motor right, than you are the .1% I'm referring to. I think you missed the whole point of my post.
A typical stang owner is just as bad as a honda/rice dsm owner. All talk and get walked. Just like .1% of hondas, dsm's, and stang owners are actually fast. My other problem with this whole thread is that everyone is giving formulas saying take stang + turbo + gears + etc = 9 sec time slip daily driver. That's BS. Just like when I gave my setup and people thinking I should be running 10's or 9's. That's bullshit. I know plenty of people with 2wice what I have and they're stuck in the 11's/12's because of tuning reasons. A big turbo/motor/electronics setup won't get you into the 9's like everyone's lately been thinking.
mike
I agree, I will only say what I know and have been through, we have similiar experience in different areas with different cars, thats ok, to each their own, hope the best to you & your ride in modding and making it fastest to your limits.mann said:
sorry but you deserve to be striked down upon for selling such a beautiful ride, OH wait guess that includes me, everyday I regret selling my 91 notchback, one day I will have one again.Boosted97GS-T said:Buy the stang you will love it. i hate myself for selling mine, also mine ran 12s with very little work and drag radials of course but the fact of the matter is that a stang will be faster. but dont forget that you do have to have a little suspension work for it to hook up.
heres my old baby, take note of the forsale sign in the driver window
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You are at DSMTALK.COM, if you try to prove your point that a mustang is better or faster, or can be made faster you'll just get flammed, no matter what you said DSM's are better, look better and are faster, at least on this forum they are, so if you're thinking about modding a stang, just go to a stang forum, it's pointless to try to convince us that a stang is better...
DSM's rule.
Domestics suck. :tat: :slam:
DSM's rule.
Domestics suck. :tat: :slam:
Uh..? you have a twig sticking were the sun don't shine or have no logical thing to say but 15yr old thought of comments don't really relate to the original question posted on this thread, you sound just as bad as a honda ricer kid who hates all other rides and thinks he is the baddest on the block.4Banger said:
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i understand that on this board that most people will say a dsm is better, but you have to understand that very few people on this forum has owned both a dsm and a stang, I did. I'd be willing to bet that everyone on this board that has owned both will say that a stang has more 1/4 mile potential for less money. i'm sure i will get flamed but oh well its the truth.4Banger said:
my mods on my stang was:
D5TE 351w heads
1.7 rr
3.55 gears
ported lower intake
pulleys
k&n
shorty headers
flowmasters
i ran 12.90s at 103mph with drag radials
my mods on my eclipse:
rre uip
fipk, 1g bov,
boost gauge,
egt gauge,
ngk plugs,
3kgt vr4 rewired fuel pump,
pocketlogger,
joe p boost controller,
BIG28 turbo,
2 1/2" turbo back exhaust,
evo III O2 housing,
Apexi S-AFC,
i'm sure my eclipse would run similar numbers but look at the difference in price of these parts.
Couldn't have been better said. Why speak on potential on a car unless you had one? by the way nice setup on both cars, I had my stang running mid to low 13's on street radials, with similiar mods when I first had it, though I had 3:73 gears, aluminum drive shaft, and some other basic, later on GT40 upper & lower, 65mm TB, RA intake, FB 4" mach hood, mac pro dumps, h-pipe, long tubes, etc.., list goes on. At the end of the mods the only thing left was a GT40 crate motor or novi2000 S/C, didn't have time to hit the track again before I sold it. Never should have sold the carBoosted97GS-T said:
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of course the 5.0 will waste the dsm for the same price
but nothing beats the look on those 5.0 guys face when your 2.0 lays the beatdown. even if you spent more money, you have less than half their stinken motor.
but nothing beats the look on those 5.0 guys face when your 2.0 lays the beatdown. even if you spent more money, you have less than half their stinken motor.
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LOL!! i know what you mean, i layed the waste on a five O the other day, the look on the guys face was priceless.greyforestgst said:
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