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#21 ·
Shaman said:

I've been in the very least modified twin turbo LS1 Camaro that there is. That is a "Stage I". It has 500rwhp. :)
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Does everyone own these things?



Hey, I have both these cars. Stock for stock, the Camaro blows away the Talon on dry roads. In 1/4 inch of snow, it could get beat by a postal van.

I think that one of Shaman's points was that few people really know how fast LS1s are. 13.5 seconds is just a number, and it sounds close to 15.0, but trust me, it's not. I remember taking an on ramp in the Talon with my friend in an LT1 Camaro behind me. This is a few years back - before I got the LS1. I'm thinking, he's toast - going around a corner and accelerating - the Talon's strengths. Wrong. He sticks on my butt, and rockets by me as soon as there was enough room to pass. That was the day I realised I drove a slow car. It was fast in it's day, but now needs mods to keep up with even LT1s.
 
Discussion starter · #22 ·
No way, I can understand defending the LS1, but the LT1, come on now. Yes, it would tear me apart around 90+ but I have had several run ins with LT1's and everytime it is the same, dead even. I like the Ls1's, very fast and very nice. But the lt1's, no thank you. They are worthless & slow. 8 vs 4.... ha!
 
#23 ·
Again, it depends.

Dave DiLuca's LT1 Camaro has a full interior, roll cage, and weighs about 3800 pounds. It has a stroked and bored LT1 mill with ported AFR heads and lots of other little tricks, and runs a 200 shot of nitrous. They plan to up to 350 this year, IIRC, and they will strip the car.

Anyway, at almost 4K pounds with the driver in it, and with a stock suspension, the car ran 9.11@155mph. I have a video of it stored away somewhere. The car pulls both wheels for a good 100 feet, anyway.

The guy does drive this car on the street. I don't know how he can stand it... it's hot, unbelievably loud and obnoxious. Not a sleeper. :)
 
Discussion starter · #24 ·
Wow, that sounds like a real roadster. I don't doubt the modifiability(I dont think that is a word) of the lt1, just its stock slowness is what i was addressing... but I will be sure to never run into that modded lt1. Sounds pretty mean. 9.11 is damn fast. What kind of tires is he running on?
 
#25 ·
Slicks, I believe. I doubt they're DOT legal to get 9.11s out of it. But as you can see, the trap speed means "fast car". :)

I'm hoping they'll have it ready this year with a few hundre pounds off the car and the bigger nitrous shot. They blew a motor at the end of the season because a tranny shop jacked the car up and squeezed the fuel line half shut, and under nitrous the car went lean. Youch.
 
#26 ·
WS6

LETS TAKE YOUR WS6 STOCK AND A DSM STOCK AND LETS PUT 20PSI IN IT LETS SEE HOW EACH ONE OF THEM WILL HOLD UP, I KNOW FOR A FACT THE THE WS6 WILL BREAK IT BOTTOM END BEFORE THE DSM WILL AND MANY OTHER PARTS TOO CAUSE I USE TO RACE DOMESTIC CARS, IT WILL COST ME 30,000 TO GET A JAP CAR TO RUN 10'S AND MID TO HIGH 9'S BUT IT COST ME MORE THAN 50,000 TO GET THE DOMESTIC TO RUN ABOUT THE SAME AT THE TRACK, SO TECHNOLOGY RULES AND YOU MUSCLE HEADS CAN'T ADMITE TO IT, THERE IS A REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT, IT IS TECHNOLOGY CAUSE IT IS MORE EFFICENT.YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT, CAUSE THE TRUTH DO HURT.
 
#27 ·
This is funny.

First of all, 20PSI of boost in a Talon motor won't produce much (if any) more power than the stock LS1 will. Say, 375hp? I don't know what people are getting for power from boost with the Talons, but I do know that my friend's talon seems to indicate 8PSI of boost making around 220hp, so I feel fairly secure in a 375hp figure with good intercooling (and since I plan to build a hot 1G car, I'd like some feedback here).

Anyway, to demonstrate how fantastically wrong your statements really are, please pick up a copy of whatever hot rod magazines you have around and look for "budget builds". They got one old Dodge, for instance, to run 9s all day long, and the cost was $300 for the car... they took the tires and nitrous kit with them when the clutch came apart at the end of the day and put the car back in the scrapyard where they got it.

Dave DiLuca's car, that I mentioned here, has about $40K USD spent on it, including the original price he paid. Not bad. Now he's breaking parts, but that's just maintenance on a car that fast. ;)

If you do all the work yourself, it is easily possible to build a 700rwhp LS1 Camaro (11PSI of boost, incidentally) today for about $30K. Yes, I am serious, and yes, it has been done. The cars will start showing up just this spring since the turbo kits have been around about two months now. There are *many* budget twin-turbo mustangs out there right now, since the kits have been around long enough that they've had time to sort them out. You may have heard of the street-driven TT Mustangs running 7s - they exist.

Long live the DSM: more power to the guys making them genuinely fast. The power output from 2.xL motors is reasonably impressive. But let's not lose sight of the fact that the speeds that the DSM crowd is treading now was done in the 60s by the V8 crowd with old crappy tires.

YMMV. I am not a drag racer, I just know a lot of people that are. And I know it pays to not be cocky... in a straight line, I'm not very far up on the totem pole with the people I hang out with, and I know it! :)

[Edited by Shaman on 02-17-2001 at 10:51 PM]
 
#28 ·
1g HP

I dunno if you were kidding about building a 1g awd car or whatever you insist to do. I have had my fair share of run-in's with ls1's and on my stock turbo from a 10mph I would have about 1 car all the way to 60mph then the ls1 would shine in its top end horsepower and walk away from me. Then I added a 16g and some tuning and now Ive raced modded ls1's, gears, exhuast, airbox, shift eliminator. from 75-90 mph rolls and have pulled 2 cars on them by 120. It varies from car to car and how hardcore the racer is. Some awd's just plain and simple dont run as good as others. There is too many variable to throw into the deal like people previous post have indicated. But good power and high 11 second timeslips can be had in a 1g awd for under 2500 in mods if you do it correctly and have a strong motor with good compression. And driving the shit out of it. And YES on all stock internals, including, stock head, intake etc. Ive run a best of 12.04@111.93 on a car with just a 16g and basic bolt on's. Stock intercooler and injectors. But bottom line I know a ls1 means business when he revs....cause those cars a dsm should fear if not modded...........later
 
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