removing ex. mani, can't get power steering heatshield off

mike304 · Dec 15, 2002

exactly what the title says... trying to remove the heat shield from the power steering pump, WTF size is the
small nut on the back, facing the engine? I can't seem to get the right size on it, either too small or too loose. any help would be appreciated, as i really don't want to pull the pump off. thanks

-mike

supergoat · Dec 16, 2002

Even with the heat sheild removed, you wont have enough room. I just grinded mine off, only to realize that I did not have enough room even then. You have to remove the whole power steering pump bracket to get to that one little bolt.

buddha · Dec 16, 2002

I had the same problem.

Remedy:

1. Imaginitive bending of the oil dipstick and PS pump heatshield to provide room to access the last exh man stud.

2. Imiginitive use of a 1/8" swivel socket (10mm) and ratchet with extension. (note: I think later cars used a 12mm nut on the outside flanges of the exh. man. My car is a 90 and used the 10mm. Just check the opposite side of the manifold. The outside nuts/studs should be the same.)

Bend the dipstick tube and heatshield to allow you to access the last nut with a 1/8" ratchet with extension. Use a 10mm swivel socket (the one with the U-joint) to remove the nut. You have to be creative and try from many angles with the U-joint. You will probably have to put the socket on the nut first, before attaching the ratchet and extension. The swivel socket will allow you loosen the nut from all kind of crazy angles. You may also need to use a box wrench if the angle of the nut is not perfect. Take your time, and remove the nut a little bit at a time. It will come off eventually.

If you do your bending right, it will be much easier to remove and install the nut in the future. Don't go through the trouble of removing the PS-pump or heatshield as it is not necessary. I've done this many times on my car with no problems.

Hope this helps.......

mike304 · Dec 18, 2002

damn

well, tried to find a swivel socket to no avail. supergoat, how did you remove your power steering pump (without discharging the system of course)? The haynes manual I have is good for the bigger things, but stupid stuff like this it totally misses. I figured out how to loosen the belt, but..... etc. I just don't wanna fix it if it ain't broke

any help is appreciated.

-mike

Iceman21 · Dec 18, 2002

buddha said:
2. Imiginitive use of a 1/8" swivel socket (10mm) and ratchet with extension. (note: I think later cars used a 12mm nut on the outside flanges of the exh. man. My car is a 90 and used the 10mm. Just check the opposite side of the manifold. The outside nuts/studs should be the same.)

I did this and it came off just fine.

A little patience and bending of the dipstick out of the way goes a long way

supergoat · Dec 18, 2002

Just remove the belt and the pump from the bracket, and then the bracket. You don't have to discharge the system since there is enough slack in the lines to allow you to push it out the way to get a socket on that one nut.

Frosty · Dec 18, 2002

Mike304 - go to sears to get the socket. I have a '90 tsi and just went through the exact situation you are encountering. Do just what the other posts indicate: bend the heat shield and dip stick out of the way and use the socket.

AWD_ENVY · Dec 18, 2002

??? Whats the big deal.... just take the PS pump off.

You'll have to turn the Crank so the holes lineup in the sprocket.... remove those to bolts(14mm I think) - Push the PS pump foward to get belt slack - move belt off of pulley - set the PS pump (still attatched to hoses) to the side.

Next take off the ps shield/holder. That should be two bolts(12mm or 14mm) that where behind the PS pump.... and last there should be one 14mm bolt that was by the pulley on the T-Belt side... should fall off at this point.

Should take you 10min MAX... I usualy do it in 5min.

Putting it back one is just as easy..... slide the belt over pulley, then Use a Long screwdriver or bar to pull the PS pump back get a little tension on the belt and tighen it down.

NO SPECIAL TOOLS - NO BENDING - NO CUTING

AWD_ENVY · Dec 18, 2002

buddha said:
Don't go through the trouble of removing the PS-pump or heatshield as it is not necessary. I've done this many times on my car with no problems.

Hope this helps.......

Give me a break... I know that 5min taking the PS pump is a killer

. 6 easy basic bolts.....

And I guess you only need "hope" when your bending things

am00re34 · Dec 18, 2002

no need to remove the power steering pump. all you can do it turn it like 10degrees at a time. takes a while, but much easier than taking everything out!

AWD_ENVY · Dec 18, 2002

am00re34 said:
takes a while, but much easier than taking everything out!

More than the 5min of no stress work removing the PS pump

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mike304 · Dec 18, 2002

thanks for the replies

thanks for the replies everybody, I'm gonna head out tonight to take it off. Yeah, I know I sound like a newbie, but hey, I read some dude's sig the other day and it was hella true... " DSMs.... turning normal people into mechanics since 1989." Same thing here

buddha · Dec 18, 2002

Seems like AWD_envy likes to remove PS-pumps.

Maybe he's looking for mechanic work.....

poeman · Dec 28, 2002

Grrrrrr I just struggled with the manifold today at work. I took that heat shield thing off, only 2 bolts. Then I managed to get my socket in there, got the nut off. Then the socket and ratchet were wedged between the power steering bracket and the manifold. After some pry bar action and bloody knuckles I got the ratchet out. With the right determination you can do anything. Maybe next time I'll just take the damn ps pump and bracket off

mike304 · Dec 28, 2002

well, i did it

Well, I finished it a few days ago, just been too lazy to come and tell u guys

I took the pump off, wasn't so much difficult as just a pain in the ass. Now I have a new Pacesetter header on

Contrary to what I have heard on here, I didn't have any fitment problems whatsover, and the holes on the runners are the same size as the ones on the stock manifold. Maybe Pacesetter went and revised this product? So far I've been very happy with the install, the engine is louder and pulls better than it did before over 2k rpm. Under 2k it feels a little weaker, but oh well. Tip for anybody doing the install: Soak the nuts and studs with PB Blaster penetrating oil, this stuff is straight from heaven. Heat up your engine and soak them with this stuff about 3-4 times, the nuts will come off EASILY. No broken studs here

joereitman · Dec 28, 2002

Don't know if this applies to NT but posted this a while back, FWIW

I permanently removed the engine hoist plate (you can reinstall later if needed), then also machined a large groove/slot (1" w x .5" h) in the steering pump bracket, giving room for a 1/4" ratchet head. I will never have to pull the steering pump again for a mani swap. Skip the back nut on the pump heat shield when reinstalling.

Joe

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