truely a Newbie. I used to be a Newbie. and i listened to what these guys had to say, and took it w/ a grain of salt sometimes. If i didnt listen to them and wnated to do it my way, i would find out they were right, so there is no sense in arguing w/ them. I knew my place and i sure as hell didnt mouth off to any senior members w/ more experience than me.
Now i am one of those members, with more experience. so, Reckanize Foo.
Get off my case i was not talking to u and why don't u go back and see comments he made
If you plan on arguing anymore, Take the shit to PM or Email...dont fuckin argue. You can be civilized and stay here and talk, but not if you are gonna piss and moan and quibble w/ other members.
I ran at the track last year one week with the 2g tb, then the next week with the 1g tb...weather relitively the same (HOTT N STICKY) and i gained 3mph the second time and that's all i had changed.
2gTB - 13.799 @ 95.05mph
1gTB- 13.998 @ 98.18mph
This right here is SOLID evidence of the benefits of swapping the 2G TB for the 1g TB. this is TRACK proven benefits. you cant deny this shit. the higher MPH indicates increase HP. incase you didnt know, MPH is directly related to level of Power: simple physics. the lower ET should emphasize the increse in power, how else was he able to run a faster trap speed, yet longer time? The time of a 1/4 mile pass is directly related to driver ability.
As far as PSI/CFM...its all relative. PSI does not direcly relate to Mass Air flow. Mass Air flow is what turbo compressor efficiency maps are rated by, Lbs/Min of air. the other thing thats measured is PR, pressure ratio, not PSI. PSI is lamens terms basically. my 14b at 2.0 PR flows 430 cfm, but a 20g at 2.0 PR flows 640 cfm, so PSI does NOT equal air flow.
and another thing, Flow and Force...thats all bullshit too. freakin simantics.
Flowing means something going in without being forced in (u know not under pressure). Turbocharged egines force air in to mix with fuel therefore u have pressure or psi in ur intake not vacuum and when u raise pressure ur ECU raises fuel flow or if u will dump more fuel in. On normaly aspirated egines egine its different story. Egine creats vaccum when started so since outside atmospheric pressure is 14.7 and u have 20 inHg of vacuum in egine air always wants to move toward lower prerssure or in this case vacuum therefore air FLOWS in and its not forced in
<-- horseshit!
you said yourself that atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi (1.0 PR, or 1 Bar) and there is vaccum inside the engine manifold. You said that the air FLOWS in, not forced in..>BULLSHIT. the air IS forced in by atmospheric pressure. the weight of the atmosphere pushing down on the air is FORCING the air to move towards a lower pressure area in an attempt to occupy its space and equalize the pressure. Naturally aspirated motors are FORCED aspiration if you wanna get technical...Atmospherically Forced, that is. Dont even try to deny it. its called Physics. im right your wrong, dont argue.
And whats this shit??
Originally posted by GotBoost90
Third, all of u who claim 1st gen t/b will give u more hp that u'll really notice must be DSM engineers and i hope DSM will hire u so u can design more high power egines for all of us. thank u
so from what youre inferring is that the 2G has improved upon the flaws of the 1G and is just plain old Better all-around. HORSESHIT. Thats why the TB is smaller, the Turbo moves less air and is less efficient, there is a plastic blow off valve, and the crank walks out the side of the motor??? the cars are manufactured for the common joe, which means COMPROMISES between comfort, driveability and performance. They upped the compression, downsized the turbo, and had to increase the size of all the intake and exhaust componnents to make up for the LACK luster performance of the Turbo. The turbo was sized small to spool quickly to give good low and mid range...which is where the car is always operated during stop-and-go traffic. The american public doesnt give a shit about all out performance, they want something that will get up and go when the mash the gas. they dont want turbo lag...and the 2G compromises top end performance in an effort to improve low-end driveability. Smaller TB's improve low speed driveability but sacrifice top end power. same w/ small turbos...
Whats the deal with this?
First, by u saying to get more power out of an egine is by flowing more air/fuel in and out its funny since u are talking about forced induction here, if u were talking about normaly aspirated egines i would agree, but i don't think u understand turbochargers function and how it works once u figure that out than talk to me aiight. Second i said upgrade turbo, fuel and ignition system if u want more power and as far as i know turbo system includes intercooler, piping, exhaust etc
Lemme break it down for ya...chump. you DO get more power out of an engine by increaseing the air and fuel entering the engine. You can only INCREASE the air/fuel mix going into the engine by allowing it to exit more quickly. thats why Headers and a big exhaust will typically improve power w/o any other mod. couple that w/ a K&N intake and hard pipe intake, youll get More power on top of that. the ECU will see the increase in air (i wont bother explaining how, cuz that gets rather lengthy) and well then increase the fuel. Back in the day, you had to Rejet your carb..the ECU takes care of that for us.
the Turbo system does NOT necessarily include Intercooler, piping, exhaust, etc... take for example, the 1986 Subaru XT turbo...that thing had ONLY a turbo, no intercooler, no IC pipes...so no, an intercooler does not dictate a turbo system. Many cars had turbos and no intercoolers. And Exhausts are AFTER thoughts, not engineered alongside the turbo engineering. As far as most companies are concerned, the Exhaust isjust a by product, and just basically retrofits piping and mufflers around the design of the car. the exhaust isnt designed before the car...
im done ranting for now...
