FMIC or Not

Talontsi150 · Mar 29, 2003

When is it a good time to put a FMIC on a car? Is it good to put it on a stock T25 or wait until I get a turbo upgrade. Next upgrade for me is 14b ported. I have the turbo, but no oil lines for it.

FWD98GST · Mar 29, 2003

get ur turbo first... FMIC on a T-25 won't do really that much.. go for a turbo first, then fuel, then FMIC..

eyebrowski · Mar 29, 2003

i disagree. fuel first, then front mount, then turbo. (FMIC and turbo should come very close to each other) whats the point of getting a new turbo if you dont have the fuel or cooling abilities to run it efficiently?

mnbv · Mar 30, 2003

yea. Why do people get a big 16g before they get a fmic? I think you should support each thing before you get it. I mean, If you are going to get a fmic and big 16g anyways, do it in logical order. It is safer that way. But what do I know, I don't even have my permit...

eyebrowski · Mar 30, 2003

sorry...i didnt see you were only upgrading to the 14b. in that case i would still get the IC first but i would get a Supra SMIC, a front mount will be over kill on a 14b.

4SFED4 · Mar 30, 2003

More fuel is always first, then exaust and next a FMIC. I always thought upgrading the turbo came before the i/c, but I was proven wrong. When my dad was on a steep upgrade path with his GSX, he got tired of wasting motors (trying to run 20+ psi on stock internals with pump gas) running a Mutt level 5. He already had an FMIC and all the complemeting upgrades for that turbo. We put together a fresh motor and stuck it in with a ported 14b. I was hugely impressed on how strong the 14b ran. It felt as strong as 16G until ~6000rpm. Moral of the story, do supporting mods and max out your current turbo before stepping up to the next level. A larger turbo does you no good unless the rest of the system can support it. And trust me the 14B will benifit from a FMIC.

NOMIEZVR4 · Mar 30, 2003

i heard u should get a fmic and turbo then feul mods, cuz with the stock intercooler u can heat soak it and you will have a high reading of knock. if you get the fuel mods and turbo, you will raise the boost and then you will heat soak the intercooler, but if you dont raise the boost you should be fine. id rather just get the fmic, turbo and then fuel mods.

4SFED4 · Mar 30, 2003

The stock i/c can survive at 15psi from a stock turbo, but the fuel system struggles. If you get a FMIC, you'll be prompted to push even more boost and without the fuel mods you might as well get the engine hoist out. The only thing I would consider before more fuel would be upgrading the exaust. The stock exaust is a terrible restriction on these cars and I feel you can benifit from upgrading it at any level of modification.

Talontsi150 · Mar 30, 2003

Cool, thanks guys!!!!!

Now I know i'm on the right path, I have the 255 walbor fuel pump and S AFC already in the car and working. Thanks once again for your input.

need4speedTSI · Mar 30, 2003

Yeh get the FMIC first... Youll be able to do boost the heck out of that 14b then... id say youll definately be faster than a 16g with sidemount. plus its safer and better for your engine... better cooling = less tempurature rise , less thermal stress on engine, less detonation, more power, which means youll have to use less boost to get the same power vs. a sidemount which is better for your turbo... yada yada yada.. even with the t25 itll be at least some what faster, plus you can boost at least a little more..

V8SpankR · Mar 30, 2003

I'm quicker than a ZO6 at the strip and I have an 18g and SMIC and stock fuel system and logged just fine at 17psi and I did it all last season.

This year I am upgrading my fuel system since I know I was pushing it last year but the SMIC will carry me into the 12s up here at 5800ft but hopefully by July I'll have my front mount.

need4speedTSI · Mar 31, 2003

on the stock sidemount?

Gonzo2 · Mar 31, 2003

My buddy ran 12's with the stock intercooling system for an entire summer, it can handle more than you may think.

broadypunk · Mar 31, 2003

i just picked up a big greddy FMIC...as an excuse to get a bigger turbo. also b/c i got it for 350 brand new.

houstonECLIPSE · Mar 31, 2003

thats a damn good deal you got on that fmic. i wish that i could come across a steal like that.

lupe

Power-stricken · Mar 31, 2003

In the meantime, I would take out the fog light that blocks a major portion of airflow to the stock SMIC. If your upping the boost, I think you'd want as much airflow over that IC as you can get. I think it was rather stupid of mitsu to put a bigass fog light in the middle of the air path for the IC (1st gen anyways).

am00re34 · Mar 31, 2003

you dont need a front mount to upgrade your turbo. all a frontmount will do is cool the incoming air which helps in HP, but isn't need to run the larger turbos like fuel upgrades are needed

StrangeBrew · Mar 31, 2003

The 2G has nice ducting running to the stock sidemount. Every book I've seen shows that Mitsu did their homework in this case. Crazy but true.

flubyux2 · Mar 31, 2003

fuel first, always fuel. running an 18g at 5800 ft isnt the same as running it 300 ft...so you have a little bit of a diff situation, your intake charge isnt at dense, so your O2 molecules dont bump around as much, so they dont create as much heat as they would down here.

with more fuel, you can prolong the necessity of upgrading the SMIC, im living proof of it. The only stock items on our powertrain are:

Block
Rods
Head casting
cams
valves
Intake man and ACC
turbo
exh. man
SMIC and piping

If i tried to list all my supporting mods, it would seriously be a 5 line paragraph, but the point is we are still running 14b and stock SMIC, and we have enough HP to carry us into the 12s assuming a decent driver (its a girl driver, ill leave it at that).

if you have an AFC and big injectors, you can always tune them down till you get that bigger turbo, but if you wanted to crank the boost on the STOCK turbo, you would still need that extra fuel. I have a friend w/ a bone stock car, and he melted a piston and scored his cyl wall because he ran 14 psi on a STOCK motor and fuel system...you NEED the fuel. And you can always tune out knock w/ extra fuel...within reason. Like, no matter how much fuel you add, you will have a HARD time running 20 psi on the 14b...believe me!

So, get the fuel first. tune for 0-3 knock count on 14 psi on the 14b and 93 octane. at that point you will be quite rich. then, once you get the FMIC, you can retune your AFC and lean it out a little since your intake air will be cooler, so youll gain HP from 2 sources: Leaner mixture and Increase airflow.

The T25 is a waste of time and not even worth working with unless you arent a tuner like most DSM'ers. a 14b is a nice step up and in most cases, is all youll need. Phil Beers ran 12.02 on his 14b...so do you really want to go faster than that? 14b is really a quite efficient turbo and flows good amounts of air to support the needs of MOST Hp junkies...its enough for me.

Btw, my next upgrades are:
Evo3 exh. manifold
Evo6 FMIC
custom hard pipes
2G TB elbow (waiting to be installed)
7cm2 turbine housing

i WILL run a 12.5 on my 14b, i promise.

broadypunk · Mar 31, 2003

am00re34 said:
you dont need a front mount to upgrade your turbo. all a frontmount will do is cool the incoming air which helps in HP, but isn't need to run the larger turbos like fuel upgrades are needed

yeah...i should've said i picked up the FMIC as an excuse to start stockpiling fuel mods for a bigger turbo...still...i got it for 350. also...as somebody asked me last night, i'm only running 13 psi on the t25 b/c i don't really feel the need to do anything else...for right now.

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V8SpankR

need4speedTSI

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am00re34

StrangeBrew

flubyux2

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