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StrangeBrew

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It was a nice sunny morning last Sunday, so I decided to take my '96 Talon TSi AWD to the local 1/8th mile dragway.

It really was the land of V8s. I was one of the only 4 cyl cars there. Everything else was a big ol' V8!

I was a little bit intimidated at first, because as I lined up to stage, the big RWD cars would burn up the tires in the waterbox first.

I won my first couple of races, however, because the cars I raced were real peices of crap. I started out slow, because I was just tuning my car after a long winter of her sleeping in the garage. I didn't want to abuse my baby right away.

After a few good runs, and feeling comfortable with my lack of knock, I turned the boost up from 18 to about 22psi. Ohhh baby. Little did I know the beast I had just let out of the bottle.

I first lined up against some kind of Honda, one of the few other 4 cyls there. I had a problem with the tree, and he got about a 3 car length jump on me before I finally launched. It didn't matter. The boost kicked in, the 117 octane race fuel I had paid $40 bucks for started its smooth burn, and I reeled in and flew by that Honda with such speed I'm amazed his doors didn't blow off! It was amazing.

I was pretty happy with that run, but the next race topped them all. I was lined up next to a car I had been admiring all day. It was a beautiful blue 383 Roadrunner. As in 383 cubic inches of American Muscle. Compared with my 4G63's puny 122 cubes. On top of that, he had on ET Streets. Street my ass.

So as I lined up to the light, I heard him doing a massive burnout, then he pulled up beside me. I put my foot to the floor and heard my stutterbox doing it's thing.

The lights dropped. We took off.
Both the cars left at about the same speed. AWD & Slicks proved themselves to be equal over the first 60 feet. Neck and Neck, it was too close to call. Then I slammed into second gear, expecting him to pull ahead, with his smooth automatic and big V8 Torque Monster.

It didn't happen. Instead, I started *pulling* on him. Hard. I couldn't believe it. I was pulling ahead of that sweet car! My baby was running smooth as butter. The shift into second had been slick. The shift into third, normally grinding, was silent. It was as if my little 4 banger had something to prove!

And she did. I beat that Roadrunner by a couple of car lengths. It was sweet. As I drove down the return lane, I saw people pointing at my little Talon with respect.

It was a good day in V8 land.

:D
 
nice kills, good story. What are your mods?
 
Very nice - so what were your times?
 
117 cost that much?! Or did you fill up the entire tank?

Good runs man, nice to gain respect from the older muscle crowd. It's the same thing at my track, I don't really blame them because a majority of the imports are dirt slow.
 
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Bluntdogg said:
117 cost that much?! Or did you fill up the entire tank?

Good runs man, nice to gain respect from the older muscle crowd. It's the same thing at my track, I don't really blame them because a majority of the imports are dirt slow.
The VP C16 went up to $8 a gallon this year. I bought 5 gallons. I only used 1 gallon racing, though. I'm interested to see how the somewhat diluted stuff I drained out of the tank works for my next trip to the track.

My car has a FP T28/T28, 2.5" turbo-back, DSMLink, FIPK, 850cc injectors, Supra pump and Bushur AFPR. Still have the stock sidemount IC. The best the car has run is a 8.5@83 in the 1/8th. I know it's got more in it though.

As for the respect thing.... yeah, every other Import car here was dirt slow, typical rice. I don't mind, it just makes my car suprise them more. My car is a '96 and looks basically stock, so it's a real sleeper. '95 and '96 DSMs are kinda plain looking.

I recommend all DSM'ers go to V8 land. Its fun, and the mullets and women chewing 'terbacco are cool. :cool:
 
thats awesome, i remember a few years back at the 1/4 strip close by i was with my friends dad at his car club at the strip, it was all muscle cars, i mean there wasnt a single non muscle car there, cuz they rented ou the track. then some guy in a old beat ass 280z pulled up, he bogged real bad off the launch and then all of a sudden you hear turbos spool up and his nose pratically lifted off the ground and he ran like an 11.1 or something, then the next run he ran a 10 flat with a good launch, which was the fastest of any of the cars there, everyone was like oh shit look at that thing
 
StrangeBrew said:


The VP C16 went up to $8 a gallon this year. I bought 5 gallons. I only used 1 gallon racing, though. I'm interested to see how the somewhat diluted stuff I drained out of the tank works for my next trip to the track.

My car has a FP T28/T28, 2.5" turbo-back, DSMLink, FIPK, 850cc injectors, Supra pump and Bushur AFPR. Still have the stock sidemount IC
Dude, you must be running pig rich. 850s with a T28/28! My cousin still has 450s and he's running fine! 550s would be ideal however!
 
the z was dark brown, almost looked like primer, this was last year around summer time at beaver springs
 
loreak said:
the z was dark brown, almost looked like primer, this was last year around summer time at beaver springs
Yep, that's Derek Grubb. Nice guy, great cars. That Z is one helluva sleeper with the GN motor in it.

Ahh...BSD. I cut my teeth dragracing at that track.

Nate Pharr, James Heck (guy who used to run the DSMTimes page back in the day) Ben Kriegsfeld (Owner of AGP Turbo) and I used to race there every Friday night back in the early-mid 90s.

Great place to race--I really miss those days. Drive to the track after work, run some 13s/12s then drive back and party at Ben's place where he lived while going to Bucknell.

Meeemmmmoorrrriiiieeeeesssss.....:D
 
TALONTED TURBO said:


Dude, you must be running pig rich. 850s with a T28/28! My cousin still has 450s and he's running fine! 550s would be ideal however!
Exactly what I was thinking... I would think that 550's would work perfect, but if you're tuning to under 8 counts of knock on the DSMLink, then I would say that it's alright, but you should get a bigger turbo or ditch the 850's and get some 550's or 660's. Otherwise, good story, it's always fun beating V8's (I've only been able to beat Mustangs so far, don't dare try against my brother's LS1 TA).
 
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TALONTED TURBO said:


Dude, you must be running pig rich. 850s with a T28/28! My cousin still has 450s and he's running fine! 550s would be ideal however!
Did you guys notice I'm running a DSMLink? It has global fuel and dead time adjustments that allow it to run any injector as if its a stock injector. It makes a SAFC look like a childs toy in this regard. My car idles like stock and has long term fuel trims next to zero.

I had to dial back the Global fuel setting on the DSMLink to -47% when I put these injectors in. Dead time had to be set to about 300ms over stock. On VP C16 (117ocatane) I have an additional 15% taken out for fuel.

Don't try running these injectors with anything but a stand-alone or DSMLink. An AFC would choke, and "Dude" you WOULD be running pig rich. :D
 
StrangeBrew said:


Did you guys notice I'm running a DSMLink? It has global fuel and dead time adjustments that allow it to run any injector as if its a stock injector. It makes a SAFC look like a childs toy in this regard. My car idles like stock and has long term fuel trims next to zero.

I had to dial back the Global fuel setting on the DSMLink to -47% when I put these injectors in. Dead time had to be set to about 300ms over stock. On VP C16 (117ocatane) I have an additional 15% taken out for fuel.

Don't try running these injectors with anything but a stand-alone or DSMLink. An AFC would choke, and "Dude" you WOULD be running pig rich. :D

Well "dude" I dont know much about the DSMLink being I have a 1g. Sounds good though. THats great it can run them like stock, but why spend extra money on the bigger injectors then? Perhaps that is what I was getting at.
 
Expandability; unlike someone with 550s, he'll never find himself saying "hmmm, I think my problem is that I don't have enough fuel..."
 
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StrangeBrew said:


Did you guys notice I'm running a DSMLink? It has global fuel and dead time adjustments that allow it to run any injector as if its a stock injector. It makes a SAFC look like a childs toy in this regard. My car idles like stock and has long term fuel trims next to zero.

I had to dial back the Global fuel setting on the DSMLink to -47% when I put these injectors in. Dead time had to be set to about 300ms over stock. On VP C16 (117ocatane) I have an additional 15% taken out for fuel.

Don't try running these injectors with anything but a stand-alone or DSMLink. An AFC would choke, and "Dude" you WOULD be running pig rich. :D
Yeah, I'm going to have to side with Strange' on this one. I just helped a buddy put 850's into his '96 GSX, which he runs with DSM Link, and it idled and drove GREAT! Dialed back the global setting and the dead time and the thing sounded like my relatively;) stock GVR-4! Quite a testament to DSM Link. If I were a 2G guy I'd defintely get set up with this thing. As far as spanking V8's goes, yep it sure is a good time. Had my Eclipse out last summer and COMPLETELY wiped up a '70 Barracuda with a 383 and dual Carter 4bbl's. It was a high-schooler who thought he was the top dog. In his school, maybe; against a well set-up DSM, rarely:D. Just my $.02...
 
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pisces_0 said:

Yeah, I'm going to have to side with Strange' on this one. I just helped a buddy put 850's into his '96 GSX, which he runs with DSM Link, and it idled and drove GREAT! Dialed back the global setting and the dead time and the thing sounded like my relatively;) stock GVR-4! Quite a testament to DSM Link. If I were a 2G guy I'd defintely get set up with this thing. As far as spanking V8's goes, yep it sure is a good time. Had my Eclipse out last summer and COMPLETELY wiped up a '70 Barracuda with a 383 and dual Carter 4bbl's. It was a high-schooler who thought he was the top dog. In his school, maybe; against a well set-up DSM, rarely:D. Just my $.02...

Makes sense, but I think 660s would do too! Maxing them out is pretty tough unless youre going bigtime!
 
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TALONTED TURBO said:
Makes sense, but I think 660s would do too! Maxing them out is pretty tough unless youre going bigtime!
Agreed. 660's are big enough for 95% of the crowd out there. Above that you'd better be making some serious ponies to justify larger squirters. My point wasn't whether the 850's were right for the setup, it was that DSM Link could EASILY handle and idle the bigger injectors. Not sure what Strange' has in mind for his car so I'll let him chime in here...
 
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pisces_0 said:

Agreed. 660's are big enough for 95% of the crowd out there. Above that you'd better be making some serious ponies to justify larger squirters. My point wasn't whether the 850's were right for the setup, it was that DSM Link could EASILY handle and idle the bigger injectors. Not sure what Strange' has in mind for his car so I'll let him chime in here...
I *MAY* set up the car for drag racing someday. Right now, it just has a T28, which is more of a nice autocross turbo that can do 12s. But who knows the future?

The other reason is the one Grand Prix Boy (YDRSBTR) pointed out: I'll never have to suspect my fuel system might be too small.

As for cost, they were $500. That's a little more than Densos, and quite a bit more than RC 550s. The cost was worth the peace of mind to me, and thanks to DSMLink, there are no bad side effects.
:cool:

I can't wait to go racing again, I think with some better 60ft. times and a little more boost I can click off an 8.3 or better. That would be sweet.
 
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